Whitehouse Christmas Card

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[ricer1]

I received the 2002 Whitehouse Christmas card (postmarked Crawford, Tx.) and wanted to share it with any and all.

[Bella_Bru]

LOL!

[afraidfortherepublic]

Are many Catholic churches being led by indecent Christians in the United States?

We've just had two Lutheran pastors brought up on charges around here for molestation and other indecencies with their parishioners. And there is a trial of a Rabbi going on right now for killing his wife (or attempting to kill -- I forget which.) I can think of a half a dozen high profile cases in the last year of teachers taking indecent liberties with their students. Let's not get into the numerous cases of doctors and lawyers. I even know about some City Managers and their staffs.

So what's your point?

[Miss Marple]

Then, if you didn't get a card, and the cards went to supporters, and the people who GOT the card like it, what in the heck business is it of yours? The cards were paid for by the RNC (which I donate to, thank you very much) and the RNC paid for the postage.

It is, in my opinion, NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. In addition, the NUMEROUS examples of other White House cards which had NO holiday picture on them at all, should allow anyone with an ounce of common sense to place this card in the proper context.

The card has an EXPLICIT quote from the BIBLE. President Bush is the FIRST President to acknowledge the BIBLE on his card.

The longer this thread continues, it is becoming painfully obvious that certain people LIVE to use any thread to make their anti-Bush statements. ALL OVER A CHRISTMAS CARD.

You are,indeed, a glass-half-full person.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Pretty tacky little card, huh? ; )

[Redleg Duke]

I am so honored to be addressed by Christ's representative on Earth. You must be to be able to be so firm and judgemental on another's worthiness.

[AppyPappy]

Then, if you didn't get a card, and the cards went to supporters, and the people who GOT the card like it, what in the heck business is it of yours?

IT WAS POSTED HERE. LOOK WHERE YOU ARE POSTING!

Sheesh...some people...

Oh and it's not a Christmas card. It's a Holiday card. Didn't you get one? If you had gotten one, you would know that Christmas is not mentioned in the card anywhere.

[caisson71]

You must look pretty funny without a nose.

[AppyPappy]

The irony of that is that most likely Christian groups were behind the change from Halloween to Fall Carnival

In our case, it was the Muslims and the PC police who objected to "specific" holidays. The only recognizable holidays are MLK day and Kwanzaa this year.

[Coleus]

"CHURCH EVANGELIZERS PREYED ON LOW-INCOME KIDS.

Men from a rural Baptist church known for its aggressive evangelizing of children are suspected of molesting as many as 22 boys & girls. The associate pastor, volunteer bus driver & a third church member are believed to have fondled some & raped others, ranging in age from 3 to 10, on church buses & property. Charges involving 10 victims were brought against Associate Pastor Timothy Lee Leonard, 32, of North Sharon Baptist Church near Grass Lake, & volunteer Sunday school bus driver, church deacon Mark Foeller. Three other church members are being investigated. The suspects went to low-income housing projects or trailer parks in 4 counties, telling parents they would "take the children to church & teach them about God", according to Det. Robert Fitzpatrick, Jackson Co. Men would walk up to children in their yards, coaxing them with treats to come to weekend services or summer Bible school. Leonard was relieved of church duties involving children in August, after police started investigating him when a doctor reported suspected abuse in a child with a sexual disease. He also worked as instructor & gym teacher in the North Sharon Christian School, enrolling about 65 students. "
We have to keep our kids _safe_ from Baptist pedophiles!
Buzz Kelly

* BRONSON MINISTER ARRAIGNED.

First Congregational Church minister David Covert Moore was charged with 5 counts of criminal sexual conduct of 4 children under the age of 15. In July he checked himself into Pine Rest Christian Counseling Services in Grand Rapids. Source: Jackson Citizen Patriot 8/29/92.
* AIR FORCE CHAPLAIN RAIDED. Deputies raided the home of Veterans Administration chaplain Rev. Donald G. Phillips, of Butler County, seizing 500 video tapes, movie equipment and restraints following a tip that he produced pornographic movies with young girls. The Baptist minister recently received the highest recognition awarded a VA chaplain, "the Award for Excellence in Chaplain Service". Source:
St. Louis Post-Dispatch 2/19/92.

* BAPTIST VOLUNTEER CONVICTED.

Granite State Baptist Church volunteer David Kirsch, 39, of Salem, was convicted of sexually assaulting 6 young girls through the church from the late 1970s to the mid-1980s.
Source: USA Today 9/25/92.

* MINISTER & GIRLFRIEND INDICTED.

Trenton pastor Franklin Tucker, 37, Final Call Ministry, was indicted for molesting his girlfriend's daughters, 9 & 15. His girlfriend was indicted for forcing her daughters to recant the allegations to police. The abuse came to light when the 9-year-old told a school official, who contacted police. Source: Trenton Times 9/15/92.

* CIVIL SUIT: 11-YEAR-OLD MOLESTED.

A family in Dare County, North Carouna is suing Methodist minister Carl M. Eller for abusing their daughter, 11, as well as the North Carolina Conference of the United Methodist Church, a bishop and a reverend for knowing of his history of sexual misconduct but doing nothing about it. The family says she was molested when her father, a carpenter, was installing cabinets in the parsonage. Eller pleaded no contest to a charge of criminal assault on a female. However, the family said that in 1987 Eller had molested or made lewd comments to 4 women at his church, and forcibly kissed and touched 2 girls age 13. Three women had lodged formal complaints with the church, but the only action was to transfer him from Aurora to Hamlet. Source: News & Observer 1/15/92.

* BAPTIST PASTOR RESIGNS AMID SCANDAL.

Asheville Baptist pastor Michael R. Stewart, 34, of Oakley, resigned following his arrest in a prostitution sting. Stewart's name was among 400 on a full-page ad that month promoting family & traditional biblical values. Source:
Citizen-Times 6/30/92.

* CHURCH SUED FOR NEGLIGENCE.

One of several girls who said Alva minister Rev. Robert Bruce Brigden molested her is suing the First Presbyterian Church for failing to check his background before hiring him. Allegations of sexual crimes were made at his former position in Kansas. Charges allege that he molested Alva church girls, ages 4 to 14. The church posted his bond. Source: _Tulsa Tribune

* PRESBYTERIAN MINISTER GETS 40 YEARS.

Rev. Robert Bruce Brigden was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting young girls in his congregation, convicted on 8 counts of lewd molestation & 1 count of rape by instrumentation involving a girl, 7. Bridgen, 57, was accused of molesting 11 girls, aged 4 to 14, during the 4 years he was at the Alva church. His congregation put the church up as bond, insisting he was innocent. He was placed in protected custody. Brigden blamed his arrest on a girl, 4, whose parents were the first to take the children's allegations seriously. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned," Brigden wrote his wife about the 4-year-old, whom he described as "4 going on 400 years old", saying she invited him to spend the night in her bed, & was mad that he declined. Source: Tulsa Tribune 8/92, Tulsa World 9/3/92, _Daily Oklahoman_ 6/14/92.

* CHURCH VOLUNTEER CHARGED WITH CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

Church volunteer Seven Jon Long, 41, was arrested for sodomy and taking pornographic pictures of young girls under 12 from Assembly of God Church in Rogue River, where he was a youth volunteer. He told detectives his pictures were art. Source: Daily Courier, Grants Pass, 4/17/92.

* CONVICTED PASTOR "RIGHT WITH LORD".

Rev. Virgil Carpenter, 48, pastor of Bible Missionary Church in Ontario, was convicted of sodomy & sexual abuse of a girl, 9, over a 1-1/2 year period. A jury convicted Carpenter of 2 felony counts of sodomy & 4 felony counts of sexual abuse. He faces 5 additional felony charges in 2 upcoming trials. "I'm really not worried," he told supporters who had gathered in the courtroom before the verdict. "I'm right with the Lord." Source: Corvallis Gazette-Times 10/11/92.

Why weren't these stories given national press coverage? Why is there a coverup of Christian pedophile ministers' crimes against America's children???
Buzz Kelly

[Darlin']

I say to you, Prove It. Go to the thread you started on this subject and post proof of what you say. Not your perception, not your personal bias, not information passed down from someone's cousin's next door neighbor's aunt but proof that one or all 5 of these men will vote pro-abortion on any or every case that comes before them. You can't do it or you would have do so already.. You are projecting what you think they will do, you are making assumptions about people who have not ruled on a single case yet. You just insist you know for certain how they will rule. Excuse me, but that kinda rhetoric dilutes your argument, it sounds a little hysterical. I appreciate your passion but object to your methods and to your absolute refusal to acknowledge the positive steps President Bush has taken to protect life.

[cyncooper]

I know it is a dream of Catholics to see the RCC declared as the only "acceptable" faith in this country, but it ain't going to happen.

Please don't make such general statements such as "it is a dream of Catholics". I have never heard such a thing and don't care to have such aspirations ascribed to myself.

[Bella_Bru]

Let me re-phrase it:

It is the dream of many of FR's Catholic Caucus....

[Hacksaw]

One wonders what it would take to make this bunch happy. (Maybe they just didn't get one and they're mad?)

Short of the president showing up at the house and going to church with them on Christmas day, I do not know.

[Bella_Bru]

No, then they'd complain that he didn't go to the church they liked.

[Howlin]

Thank you very much.

I believe the phrase that's missing here is "...of all the people."

Geez......people need to GET A LIFE!

[Howlin]

I just could NOT read this whole thread, here in the season of joy, so I just skipped to the end.

Whatever you two said, I agree with it. :-)

[Darlin']

I'm trying hard to imagine what would make some of the detractors on this thread happy. Perhaps President Bush should be a plastic dashboard Jesus kind of Christian who thumps an oversized bible on Sunday and who with quivering lip and a tear in his eye convenes a panel of White House "spiritual advisors" whenever he slips a point in the polls. .... oh, no, wait.... we had that.... 8 nauseating, santimonious years of it. Frankly, I'm more than a little wary of people who wear their faith like a neon sign instead of living it.

[Protagoras]

I did not get my card,and Im dissapointed.

Me too, that makes it a clean sweep. Not a single President has ever sent me a card, even a business card.

[Howlin]

Good gracious, all this ROW over a piano?

[Fred Mertz]

Whenever I see a Grand piano, I immediately think of Hillary Clinton's cankles.