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“Nelson Mandela’s Legacy” [Africa Ping]
On the Right Side ^ | George V. Caylor

Posted on 12/08/2002 10:21:39 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March

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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
. . . this problem could, as mentioned by others, become our Kosovo.

I don't disagree, IF the border and illegal numbers problem isn't dealt with. I have confidence we'll get the job done, with George W. showing us the way. Now, we have an obligaton to help, push on our Congressmen. Hey, this IS America after all! We've faced worse than this before.

41 posted on 12/08/2002 2:48:34 PM PST by toddst
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To: toddst
How to Honor Clinton:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/803090/posts

42 posted on 12/08/2002 2:53:14 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
How to Honor Clinton.

10-4, LOL!

43 posted on 12/08/2002 2:57:01 PM PST by toddst
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To: toddst
I have confidence we'll get the job done, with George W. showing us the way.

I don't expect people to change their behavior unless something in their life changes. GW has not been taking the border problem seriously. He's great about insisting on conservative judges, willing to confront the ABA. He's great about sticking to his guns on tax cuts. He's great the way he led us to victory over the Taliban. But Geraldo on Fox News showed just how vulnerable the Mexican border is, and nadda. Zip. GW has done nothing but make the Mexico border problem worse. Quite simply, there's a big fly in the ointment.

This reminds me when people kept saying that GW was going to handle the Clinton investigations better than we think. He was going to 'play it close to the vest'. Heck. He put the cards right in his pocket! It didn't buy it then. And I don't buy it now.

It's good to be confident and optimistic. But trust someone to change when no logical reason is given to explain why, and you are on the road to disappointment.

44 posted on 12/08/2002 3:00:42 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: toddst
--blacks for several thousand miles used to go to South Africa to work in the diamond and gold mines for a year or two after which they could go home, buy some cattle and some wives and live like a king, relatively speaking--there was no opportunity like anywhere else on the entire continent--
45 posted on 12/08/2002 3:13:12 PM PST by rellimpank
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To: SteveTuck
--if I was committing treason, I might expect to lose some of my rights, upon conviction--maybe even my life--
46 posted on 12/08/2002 3:15:25 PM PST by rellimpank
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
It's good to be confident and optimistic. But trust someone to change when no logical reason is given to explain why, and you are on the road to disappointment.

We all have our own take on situations. I never saw any true gain in George W. pushing the Clinton investigation. We would have bogged down and President Bush would have quickly been characterized as small-minded or some such.

There was no forward motion going to come from focusing our energies on looking back, not to mention the 9-11 horror landing on us all. We needed leadership and got it.

I'm confident George W. will deal with the border problems, but those are not the only issues on the table right now as you know.

47 posted on 12/08/2002 3:19:19 PM PST by toddst
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To: rellimpank
--blacks for several thousand miles used to go to South Africa to work in the diamond and gold mines for a year or two after which they could go home, buy some cattle and some wives and live like a king, relatively speaking--there was no opportunity like anywhere else on the entire continent--

Yessir, exactly! Not unlike the Hispanics coming north to the US. We DO have to address this or the situation will get out of hand. As I said elsewhere, I expect President Bush will address the illegal immigration flood effectively, with our help.

48 posted on 12/08/2002 3:24:59 PM PST by toddst
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To: rellimpank
Simple question -- Did you oppose apartheid? If so, how would you have brought apartheid to an end?
49 posted on 12/08/2002 3:32:00 PM PST by SteveTuck
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Simple question -- Did you oppose apartheid? If so, how would you have brought apartheid to an end?
50 posted on 12/08/2002 3:32:35 PM PST by SteveTuck
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To: toddst
I will answer your question if you will answer a couple of simple questions.

Did you oppose apartheid? If so, how would you have brought apartheid to an end?

51 posted on 12/08/2002 3:34:13 PM PST by SteveTuck
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To: SteveTuck
--No--It worked better than the present mess and I wouldn't have ended it.
52 posted on 12/08/2002 3:35:25 PM PST by rellimpank
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To: SteveTuck
Did you oppose apartheid? If so, how would you have brought apartheid to an end?

I am happy to answer this "simple" question. Why focus on apartheid as opposed to the economic well-being of South Africa and its capacity to grow, prosper and so provide more for business owners AND workers?

What's so awful about separatjng the living areas of blacks and whites? The integration folks got all hung up on this and started focusing on punishing the white minority for having the wrong "attitudes" about blacks and whites.

Given time, the economic situation for blacks would have improved within South Africa under apartheid. These are the facts, but unacceptable to the liberal PC crowd in the west.

Economic growth and development would have solved the problems faced by blacks in South Africa. However, the other factor completely ignored was the horrid economic situation in surrounding countries that caused blacks to go to prosperous South Africa. Who exactly is responsible for those weak economies? Not South Africa.

56 posted on 12/08/2002 3:46:53 PM PST by toddst
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To: rellimpank
--and furthermore, if a system similar could be imposed on the whole African continent, it would be in much better shape than it is--
57 posted on 12/08/2002 3:48:16 PM PST by rellimpank
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Great post.
58 posted on 12/08/2002 3:52:02 PM PST by dennisw
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To: SteveTuck
I wasn't well informed back in the 80s. You are asking us what we thought back in the dark ages, before Windows 95. Tell me, what was your first word as a baby, and how did you say it? It's about as relative. What people think today matters more, don't you think?

Even then, I wondered why so many black Africans were flocking to South Africa if it was so terrible. But I was not very outspoken in my agreement with conservatives back then, having rat leanings, and registering to vote as a rat. Despite that, I opposed meddling there. It was my opinion, even back then, that we had greater evils that needed our attention.

59 posted on 12/08/2002 3:56:01 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: ChicagahAl; SteveTuck

America is a bunch of lousy racist imperialist warmongers!


Good job Nelson, now wait for further instructions!


Awww, yeah, we gonna kill us some white folks now, right Mugabe?


60 posted on 12/08/2002 4:19:30 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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