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Two Van Gogh paintings stolen
BBC News ^ | December 7, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 12/07/2002 4:40:04 AM PST by MadIvan

Burglars have stolen two paintings by Vincent Van Gogh from Amsterdam's Van Gogh Museum, Dutch police say.

The thieves got in through the roof early on Saturday, police spokesman Remco Gerretsen told BBC News Online.

The stolen paintings are well known to art lovers: View of the Sea at Scheveningen and Leaving the Church at Nuenen. Police have not yet put a value on them.

The paintings are among Van Gogh's later works - executed in 1882 and 1885 respectively - and such works usually sell for millions of dollars.

The museum, in the heart of Amsterdam, contains the world's largest collection of Van Gogh paintings. It holds more than 200 paintings and 500 drawings by the Dutch post-Impressionist.

Museum closed

The theft was discovered at 0800 (0600 GMT) - two hours before opening time - and police have now cordoned off the museum.

It is the second major theft in the Netherlands in a week. On Monday, thieves raided a diamond exhibition at the Museon in The Hague, making off with gems worth about $5m.

Investigators are baffled by the Van Gogh theft, as guards patrol the premises at night and there is tight security inside, including infra-red systems and cameras.

Police found a broken window one storey above street level and a 4.5-metre (15-foot) ladder leaning against the rear of the building, the Associated Press reported. Broken glass and a large cloth that may have been used in the burglary were taken away for inspection.

Mr Gerretsen said that so far investigators had found nothing wrong with the museum's security systems.

Van Gogh was born in the Netherlands in 1853 and died in France in 1890.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: heist; robbery; vangogh
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To: MadIvan
And the Heineken Brewery Museum is not far from the Rijksmuseum. Thank goodness they didnt steal the recipe for that wonderful golden necktar. Then there would surely be hell to pay.
21 posted on 12/07/2002 5:14:16 AM PST by fightin kentuckian
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To: MadIvan

22 posted on 12/07/2002 5:23:19 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: MadIvan
To paraphrase the bear analogy: If a piece of trash is stolen would anybody notice?
23 posted on 12/07/2002 5:24:29 AM PST by gbaker
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To: MadIvan

The paintings. Word has it that police are "keeping an ear to the ground" for information concering the theft.

24 posted on 12/07/2002 5:29:10 AM PST by csvset
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To: MadIvan
For those not familiar with the works, be on the lookout for these ;)

View of the Sea at Scheveningen, 1882

Congregation Leaving the Reformed Church in Nuenen, 1885

25 posted on 12/07/2002 5:30:58 AM PST by general_re
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To: csvset
Ya beat me by ONE minute... ;)
26 posted on 12/07/2002 5:32:22 AM PST by general_re
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To: MadIvan
Still, the thieves will be caught - it's not like gold or jewels which can be easily sold on the black market - a Van Gogh is fairly unique.

Which is why you steal something like that on commission. It is not chance that those two paintings were taken. Someone wanted those two, (or at least one of those two) paintings.

Here is how I would do it, first I would get a very good reproduction and hang it in plain sight for at least a year. Then I would have the original stolen and switch the original for the reproduction and, very important, destroy the reproduction. The original could be hanging in plain view in my office and no one would question it.

a.cricket

27 posted on 12/07/2002 5:33:13 AM PST by another cricket
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To: dinodino
There's an old joke about a famous painting having been stollen and later discovered hidden away in 30 different private collections.
28 posted on 12/07/2002 5:34:21 AM PST by tangerine
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To: general_re
Lol, you took the time to include the title of the pics.

I wanted to see the paintings, you know, in case I see someone trying to sell them at a garage sale or flea market.

29 posted on 12/07/2002 5:36:46 AM PST by csvset
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To: csvset
I wanted to see the paintings, you know, in case I see someone trying to sell them at a garage sale or flea market.

Good idea. But don't pay more than $10 or so for either of them - that way, the people selling them won't get suspicious that they're making a mistake. If there's one of those velvet-Elvis paintings, or the dogs-playing-poker, or those glow-in-the-dark Jesus paintings, throw a couple of those in, too, to make it look like you have no taste. They'll never suspect someone like that ;)

30 posted on 12/07/2002 5:47:43 AM PST by general_re
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To: dinodino
Besides the Japanese being notorious for collecting stolen art, our friends, the religion of love and peace, enjoy stolen art by the masters.
31 posted on 12/07/2002 5:51:18 AM PST by JEC
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To: another cricket
||| Which is why you steal something like that on commission. |||

I was thinking the ultimate destination was pre-arranged and the theft paid for in advance. Displaying copies first though! Wow. Sounds like you may know a bit too much...you have the right to remain silent, anything you say blah blah blah

;-)

32 posted on 12/07/2002 6:00:11 AM PST by fone
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To: another cricket
OOPs forgot to add to my post #32

||| The original could be hanging in plain view in my office and no one would question it. |||

LOL! You are so busted, and I need more coffee

33 posted on 12/07/2002 6:02:32 AM PST by fone
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To: tangerine
Stollen = dugout, gallery, tunnel (German word), but this is a Dutch thread so the word might be somewhat different.
34 posted on 12/07/2002 6:02:33 AM PST by wita
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To: SamAdams76

No, Mr. Bond, I intend for you to Die! Operation Missing Ear isn't about one or two little canvas paintings,...

Bond: Ingenious, Goldfinger, I had you undersetimated. When you captured the .jpg market, it was merely a pre-emptive move. So you intend instead to drive up the market price for priceless vanGogh paintings in general, then shift the center of gravity of art value from canvas to .jpg files. Thereby redering all canvas worthless. Then cornering the market on art value to your whim. But what about SMERSH!

35 posted on 12/07/2002 6:17:17 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
undersetimated=underestimated.

I ahte dyslexia. )^;

36 posted on 12/07/2002 6:19:08 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: MadIvan
Remember the Sherlock Holmes story in which the Mona Lisa was stolen? The original was stolen to make profits from selling copies to unsuspecting buyers.

That's the only way I see it working.

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Ah, but as the eminent Mr. Holmes once remarked: "You see...but you do not observe."

For you see there are two other, far more sinister, reasons these paintings might have been stolen.

1)These paintings were stolen "pre-sold" as it were. Paintings this famous are never randomly taken. They would be impossible to sell/fence. In short: This is a contracted job by a collector to whom money is no object. I know, it sounds like something out of James Bond but Interpol will tell you that theifs like this happen more often than people imagine.

2) Narcotics. This is a veriation of the above. The world of big/international narcotics is awash is paper money. So much so that, at the very highest levels, its value as a guarantor/payment has become worth-less. In its place? Works of art (chiefly paintings, for obvious reasons: easy to take, easy to move, easy to transfer, etc.)

Here's how it works: The supplier states his price (Let's say, "The Lacemaker" by Vandermeer). The buyer makes,er,"arrangements" for delivery. The object d'art, instead of money, changes hands and the deal goes through. But in almost all cases the painting does not end up in some private gallery but becomes part of the unoffical currency of this underground economy; passing hand to hand to hand as a guarantor.

The robbery points to either one of these explainations since the thieves knew exactly what paintings to take: they broke in, went staight to the two paintings, took them, and then vanished into the night. In short, this robbery was about as spontaneous as a Swiss watch.

37 posted on 12/07/2002 6:19:59 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: MadIvan
It's either David Niven or Robert Wagner, bet on it.
38 posted on 12/07/2002 6:23:36 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: Cvengr
undersetimated=underestimated.

Teach you to misunderestimate Bond, James Bond.

39 posted on 12/07/2002 6:26:15 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: fone
You are so busted, and I need more coffee

Just try to prove it though. After all, I have had this painting for years, ask anyone. ;~)

I would also arrange the following; a ransom demand, the public destruction of a reproduction of the one I have, with the threat to destroy the other if my demands aren't met and then the return of the other for a huge ransom. This would be done by a separate bunch of crooks. I could even make money on the deal. I would also encourage the original thieves to make and sell as many copies as they could. Nothing like muddying the waters a bit more.

a.cricket

40 posted on 12/07/2002 6:33:32 AM PST by another cricket
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