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I want my country back(HARRY BROWNE BARF ALERT)
World Net Daily ^ | December 5, 2002 | Harry Browne

Posted on 12/06/2002 5:19:32 AM PST by Sparta

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© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

Thoughts on the American empire …

Is it an empire?

Whenever I say that America has become an empire, someone is sure to say I'm being ridiculous.

But what do you call a government that has tried (usually successfully) to force "regime changes" in Panama, Grenada, South Vietnam, Cuba, Guatemala, Chile, Rhodesia, South Africa, Iraq (in 1963), the Philippines, Serbia, Afghanistan (twice), Iran and several other countries that don't immediately come to mind?

What do you call a government that has troops stationed in a hundred countries around the world?

What do you call a government whose leader says everyone must play by his rules or risk being attacked?

America the protector?

But then someone is sure to instruct me that "American troops are stationed abroad because those countries asked for them."

Yes, people in foreign countries want American troops there – just about as much as the Poles enjoyed having Soviet troops in Poland.

American troops are in those countries only because the governments of those countries were bribed with your money to allow American troops in.

How would you feel if there were Chinese troops wandering around your city?

Or even German troops?

So how do you think Germans feel about seeing American troops walking their streets – or Korean or Japanese citizens watching American soldiers commit murders and rapes in their countries without facing local prosecution?

World government

America rules the world – by force.

And that's ironic. Because for as long as I can remember, conservatives have been railing against the threat of world government.

But now we actually have a form of world government – a government run by George Bush and enforced by the American military – and most conservatives are all for it.

Our government decides what rules Iraq must live by, and if Iraq breaks those rules it can be bombed or invaded.

Our government decides which governments are legitimate and which must be replaced, which dictatorships are evil and which are "our partners in the War on Terrorism."

North Korea

Some people can't understand why our government is getting ready to attack Iraq, but is ignoring North Korea – which admits to having nuclear weapons and the ability to fire them at Alaska.

The difference between the two countries is simple: North Korea has the means to hurt us, Iraq doesn't.

In the past 50 years, our government has attacked many countries – Panama, Grenada, the Sudan, Afghanistan (twice), Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq and others. But it has never attacked a country that had the capability to hurt America.

Russia, China, Pakistan, India, North Korea, Israel – all have nuclear weapons. So we participate in "constructive engagement" with those countries.

But Iraq? No threat to us, so we can bomb it and invade it with impunity.

Fighting terrorism

After 9-11, some people said we should try to find the people responsible, capture them and prosecute them. They were largely laughed at as being unrealistic. Only by bombing and devastating Afghanistan could we be sure to get Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida. And our president assured us that they would be brought to justice.

Now it's a year later. Osama bin Laden hasn't been captured or killed. Al-Qaida is alive and well. So is anyone concerned?

Of course not. Our attention is directed to Iraq – even though there's no public evidence that Iraq has anything to do with al-Qaida – and a lot of evidence that they're enemies of each other. Suddenly, Osama bin Laden is no longer important.

This doesn't make sense if you think the object is to end terrorism. But it makes perfect sense if the object is to demonstrate the empire's power to intimidate.

Why do they hate us?

For the past year, we've been hearing over and over that the Muslims and others around the world hate us because of our freedoms and our prosperity.

If that's true, the terrorists have won – because we're rapidly giving up our freedoms, and the loss of those freedoms is destroying our ability to prosper.

But, actually, it is only Americans who say that our freedoms and prosperity are the reason foreigners hate us. If you ask the foreigners, they make it clear that it's America's bullying foreign policy they detest.

Liberty and security

We're also told that we must give up some liberty for the sake of security. But that's not true.

For most of our history, Americans enjoyed both liberty and security from foreign threats.

But, as Tim O'Brien has pointed out, while it's possible to have both liberty and security, you can't have an empire as well. Once the American government decided to run the world, Americans were forced to choose between liberty and security – because you can't have all three. Once you become an empire, either liberty or security must go.

Most likely, however, we will lose both liberty and security. We're losing our liberties, but innocent Americans will continue to be hurt by terrorists because of what our government is doing overseas.

Hate America?

Whenever I write on these subjects, I invariably get e-mails accusing me of hating America or "blaming America first."

Quite the contrary. I love America, and I can't stand quietly by while the land of peace and liberty is being destroyed.

I love the America of the Constitution and limited government – not the America of the Patriot Act and the Orwellian Department of Homeland Security.

I love the America that Washington and Jefferson said should be far removed from all the age-old quarrels of Europe and Asia, while trading benevolently with people all over the world – not the America that has troops in a hundred countries while our own government prohibits us from peaceful trading with dozens of countries.

In short, I want my country back.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dupe; idiot; libertarians; republic; waambulance
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To: smallstuff
Just kidding with you. My real opinion is this. In the last century, we witnessed barbarism at the hands of governments on a horrific scale; Hitler, Stalin,the Kims, Pol Pot,Pinochet, the list goes on. In an age where you and I discuss current events over a computer from my home office, there is no more room on such a small and civilized planet. Its my firm belief that sadamm Hussein is a monster of the highest order. Atilla, Ho Chi Minh, and a Hutu chieftain have nothing on this devil. Its time the Husseins, Kims, Assads,etc. of the world understood; no more genocide, no more dictatorships. Fantasy? Maybe, but we have to start somewhere, and as result, school age girls in Kabul are learning to read. Are we supposed to be the worlds policeman? Probably not, but again, we have to start somewhere. Did you know that one of Husseins main tools of opression is rape? The thought of one of my family members in the hands of that regime makes my blood run cold. Saddam has to go, and this family backs our leader in his crusade to rid, at least that region, of despots, and those who would harm us. Blind faith? You bet. But consider the alternative; the suicide bomber so prevalent in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, arrives at the Galleria Mall in St Louis. Just my opinion of course, and I was just funnin' you about the gas prices.
61 posted on 12/06/2002 6:49:47 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: Sparta
I am the walrus. Coo-koo catchoo.

Browne is a dope and he is smoking too much of it.
62 posted on 12/06/2002 6:50:54 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Catspaw
Harry was actually spouting this trash on 9/12/2001.
63 posted on 12/06/2002 6:51:45 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: cardinal4
Hitler, Stalin,the Kims, Pol Pot, Pinochet

Its despicable to compare a hero like Pinochet with those monsters.

64 posted on 12/06/2002 6:51:51 AM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
I believe that rational individuals seeking their enlightened self interest is a good thing . . .

Few people are solely or even consistently rational. A great many people are emotional, intuitive, and mystical much of the time. And what does "enlightened" mean? It means something entirely different to a religious person than it means to a Randian atheist.

Even the people--perhaps especially the people--who are convinced they are rational and enlightened are generally emotional, pigheaded, and dangerously ignorant in their biases much of the time.

A wise person is a humble person and would never be so smug or proud as to insist he consistently sees and thinks rationally or even that rational thought always yields the best answer. A wise conservative understands that some human institutions that proud "rational" free-thinkers disdain as irrational and unprogressive are actually of fundamental importance to the stability and health of any society. Chief among these are religion and the traditional family. These institutions are not "reasoned" into existence. They grow organically over decades, centuries, and even millennia in response to felt human need. They prove their worth by their staying power.

The worst times in the lives of any people are when these institutions are attacked by intellectual do-gooders (perhaps we should call them "can do it betters") bent on creating a more rational society by excising the "bad" elements of tradition and so-called superstition.

Ayn Rand and her objectivist acolytes are "can do it better" intellectuals. They are far from humble. They are Jocobin-style ideologues who would cheer the elimination of every tradition and institution of time-tested value (e.g., religion, the nuclear mom and pop family, etc) that they adjudge irrational, superstitious, and unenlightened just as quickly as Marx sought to destroy these same institutions in the name of "progressivism."

Wise, careful conservatives honor the balance and the tension between the rational and the intuitive, and always keep a sharp eye on ideologues who are overbalanced to one tendency or the other. In paraphrase of Reagan's oft-repeated dictum I might say the most frightening phrase in the English language is, "I'm a rational and enlightened person and I'm here to help you overhaul your society."

65 posted on 12/06/2002 6:52:08 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: weikel
Excellent post.
66 posted on 12/06/2002 6:53:30 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: weikel
Its despicable to compare a hero like Pinochet with those monsters.

Then why wont he come clean about the 1000s of people missing under his regime?

"Senator for Life"?? Gimme a break.

67 posted on 12/06/2002 6:53:49 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: u-89
One of the legitimate functions of government is defending the property of its citizens. There is no excuse for not protecting it from militarily weak states like the tribes with flags Saudis. At the very least our government should allow those who lose property in such incidents to raise mercenary forces.
68 posted on 12/06/2002 6:54:39 AM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
We need to make a horrible example of the Saudi ruling class so nobody commits terrorism against America for 500 years.

That statement, I agree 100% with.

69 posted on 12/06/2002 6:58:23 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: Kevin Curry
Im not consistently rational but I try. I would agree that most people are fundamentally irrational. Family is an organic institution ill agree. Organized religion is ussually a means to part suckers from their money. Religions that don't maintain themselves by force( like Islam) tend to eventually get replaced by the next religion with better marketing.
70 posted on 12/06/2002 6:59:44 AM PST by weikel
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To: cardinal4
You mean the 1000s of wannabe NKVD types missing under his regime many who were imported from Cuba and the Soviet block? Yeah my heart bleeds for them( sarcasm).
71 posted on 12/06/2002 7:00:53 AM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
"...btw the Arabs actually liked us when they were Beduin nomads..."

If I may, your Majesty, Arabs and Bedouins are two separate peoples. They are close, but not one in the same. Arabs gave up their nomadic ways centuries ago.

72 posted on 12/06/2002 7:04:18 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: weikel
I think you mean you're a 'monarchist' not a 'minarchist'.

73 posted on 12/06/2002 7:05:25 AM PST by smpc
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To: Sgt. Fury
Over the past two years I have watched as the Bush administration has implemented every statist assault on freedom that Clinton could not have passed in his wildest dreams.

Like what?

74 posted on 12/06/2002 7:05:39 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Sparta
In moral defense of Israel

Some people around here need to read this.

75 posted on 12/06/2002 7:05:49 AM PST by Liberal Classic
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To: Sparta
"Somebody please call the WAAMBULANCE."

Why the "Barf Alert"? What did Browne write that was untrue? Do you believe stretching our military resources across the entire globe is actually a smart thing to do? This is so typical. Someone criticizes the government when a Democrat is in office and "conservatives" cheer. Someone criticizes the government when a Republican is in office and "conservatives" jeer. Care to explain?

76 posted on 12/06/2002 7:09:26 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: weikel
Yes I will agree many of those people were Marxists, but a lot of them werent. Like Argentina, they went overboard. I dont know what your connection to Chile is, but we had friends in Argentina who had a family member disappear while in Santiago. His crime? No one knows, he wasnt subversive in Buenos Aires, he was an airline employee on an overnight in Santiago. Petitioning every possible body for help both in Argentina and in Chile, as well as several world bodies, resulted in nothing but stonewalling from Pinochets Interior people. This would have '83 or early '84. As of '89, my last contact with the family, there had been no word at all from the Chileans, who at the time, were getting ready to oust Augusto.
77 posted on 12/06/2002 7:10:40 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: JohnnyOla and HymanRoth
While Browne's foreign policy ideas are wacked, his opposition to the WoD is not. Prohibition II and the REAL governmental abuses that accompany it does not work. Lots of people do drugs. Outlawing drugs is like outlawing guns. It doesn't work.

There are way more government abuses w/ the WoD than all of the imaginary ones in the PATRIOT act and in the Dept. of Homeland Security.
78 posted on 12/06/2002 7:10:52 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Sgt. Fury
What's the Our Lady of Peace Act?
79 posted on 12/06/2002 7:11:12 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: smpc
Both actually could see how you would get confused I did mean minarchist where I said and then added in paratheses that I also prefer a monarchy.
80 posted on 12/06/2002 7:11:43 AM PST by weikel
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