'Gay' Reaction to Mrs. Stachowicz’s Murder: Silence to Applause

Culture and Family Institute/ Concerned Women for America ^ | 12/5/02 | Allyson Smith

[HiTech RedNeck]

we as Christians do make a deal. you people dont listen is the problem.

I go to church almost every Sunday (you want to know what kind of church, get an idea by looking at my profile... hint it isn't the first unitarian) and it is scarcely mentioned. It is a biblical commandment to minister comfort to Christians who are suffering, but Christian culture overall tends to be loath to complain about persecutions. It's remarkable how the New Testament is virtually bereft of such complaining (reporting yes, complaining no), when the early church could have easily followed the lead of the world and b*tched its head off about the matter.

[MacDorcha]

agreed. the statement i made would have been better worded by yourself. same thing, except i negleted to mention the traditional accounts.

[Kevin Curry]

She's not here to vouch for the accuracy of this quotation, . . .

She sure isn't.

Maybe she wasn't nagging and bossy, either.

We are all expected to take the murderer's word for what was said and how it was said. Do you suppose he might be putting his own actions in the best possible light?

[Tennessee_Bob]

It used to include homosexuality. By what rationale did that change, I wonder?

It changed because the board of psychologists that write the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders eventually had enough pro-homosexual members that it decided that it was no longer a mental illness. As of right now, they've been working towards determining that pedophilia is no longer a mental illness as well.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Maybe she wasn't nagging and bossy, either.

Maybe it's my own limited view, but I've noticed a lot of religious sour pickles in the Catholic system. Certainly this is not universal, but the unbiblical philosophy that salvation is a delicate, fragile thing ready to break like a thin crystal vase at the smallest evil thought (and requiring a visit to a human specialist to repair) certainly contributes to it.

[HiTech RedNeck]

It changed because the board of psychologists that write the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders eventually had enough pro-homosexual members that it decided that it was no longer a mental illness.

The A.P.A. Normalization of Homosexuality, and the Research Study of Irving Bieber

Can't find a story with more details right off, but it appears that this decision was very engineered (and IIRC the pivotal vote happened at a late night special meeting attended by nobody but the activists and their sympathizers). Had the entire body of APA voted on this matter at that time, it would have gotten soundly nixed.

[Tennessee_Bob]

And like I said, pedophelia is going the same route.

[melsec]

As this debate rages in this thread, you will see people resort to the Bible or the Catholic Catechism as support for the idea that homosexuality is a sin and should be suppressed. But these are essentially the same people and the same sources which supported the Inquisition, witch burning, and sectarian Christian wars in Europe. Do we really want to listen to their latest project? How did you get from saying Homosexuality is a sin to wars - what an amazing leap! To be honest that is a very emotive post with little to no rationale behind it.

Guess what homosexuality is sinful! Guess what also I do not wish to kill them, hurt them, even call them nasty names. I meet them on a daily basis - I work at a University. I would rather they change and obey God for their own sake.

God bless

Mel

[melsec]

As this debate rages in this thread, you will see people resort to the Bible or the Catholic Catechism as support for the idea that homosexuality is a sin and should be suppressed. But these are essentially the same people and the same sources which supported the Inquisition, witch burning, and sectarian Christian wars in Europe. Do we really want to listen to their latest project? How did you get from saying Homosexuality is a sin to wars - what an amazing leap! To be honest that is a very emotive post with little to no rationale behind it.

Guess what homosexuality is sinful! Guess what also I do not wish to kill them, hurt them, even call them nasty names. I meet them on a daily basis - I work at a University. I would rather they change and obey God for their own sake.

God bless

Mel

[HiTech RedNeck]

The "bottom line" is that the set of thoughts and behaviors that go along with homosexuality and related abnormalities are, granted, sins -- but they are "not just" sins. They also represent a gaping hole that begs to be filled up, the way it should have been before Satan sucked it dry. The essential condition to filling the hole -- accepting the gift of God's infinite grace -- is very nonintuitive to someone whose mindset cannot move to a larger view than the mere issue of earthly morals. Martin Luther referred to said acceptance as justification by faith alone. The cross of Christ -- the eternity-sized work that He did there to bear the sins of the world -- is sufficient.

[DB]

Typical. Many homosexuals flaunt it, stick in your face and demand you accept it. But God forbid you bring up your viewpoint contrary to theirs, you deserve to die for it…

Just your basic fascist.

[Terridan]

I so hate the wording, "hate crime"! It only applies to one group. What were the 9/ll attacks, or all of the other attacks world wide, if not HATE CRIMES??? Jesus, what next? Martyrdom for this murderer???

[anniegetyourgun]

It's worse than that. Ever since he interviewed Stephen Bennett, he seems to hate all things Christian....while claiming to be one. He's feeling convicted.

[livius]

Thanks! Yes, even in the Great Beyond, I certainly hope he doesn't take your search terms out of context!

[Right Wing Professor]

Just 'Mary Stachowicz murder'. The first two pages on google came up with four 'blog' type commentaries, one at jameswagner.com, one by someone called jodyb at nakedwriting.com, and one at ultrasparky.org, which referred to jameswagnet.com and two others.

[Right Wing Professor]

Why do you think the situation (for lack of a better word) arisen regarding homosexuals? In other words, why has it become so hate filled?

OK, fair question. I think a large number of straight men have a rather visceral revulsion towards homosexuality. I haven't talked with straight women about this with the same frankness I've discussed it with my male friends, and I don't know if the revulsion is innate, or a result of experience, or even partly a result of fear or worries about their own sexuality; probably a combination of all of the above. And of course, most faiths, Christian or otherwise, teach also that homosexuality is wrong. Like most things people find disturbing, their first instinct is simply to ignore it. However, if forced to confront it by 'in your face' type behavior on TV, the other media or real life, people really will act on their revulsion. Thus the prevalence of the 'I don't care what goes on behind closed doors, but I don't want it out in public' attitude.

[Auntie Dem]

You missed my point. We only know suffering because we know happiness and pleasure. It is the opposition or contrast that allows us to distinguish between the two states. In your previous posts you stated (paraphrasing) "Christian Witnessing" was "evil". You can't know what evil is unless you know what "Good" is.

God wants us to KNOW the difference between good and evil and to consciously CHOOSE the good. You can't truly know the difference by merely reading about someone else's experience--you must experience it yourself. The natural man in us tends to look at life's problems as "unfair", but what would be truly unfair is to have life a guaranteed bowl of cherries. Come to think of it, isn't that what all liberals want (and are trying to force upon us)--a life guaranteed to be free of stress, pain, or misery? You can't develop strength of character without overcoming obstacles.

Just my 2 cents.

[Terriergal]

You have the correct answer! You win the million bucks!

[Terriergal]

Guess what homosexuality is sinful!

Stating the obvious? :-) But in reality I think what we have going is that people think that because they have a strong drive to do something it must be natural. When of course the Bible says that naturally man is SINFUL. It doesn't mean that because you are sinful you are abnormal, you just need to get redeemed, like everyone else.

Of course, if you are unwilling to be redeemed and admit you're wrong and helpless to change, you make up excuses for your behavior.