Individualism, Islam and the Leftist Insurrection

PipeBombNews.com ^ | December 5, 2002 | William A. Mayer

[johnqueuepublic]

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[DeuceTraveler]

What you are having trouble realizing is that this is not a set-piece battle where you move your tanks, I move mine, and whoever blows the other away wins. Let me say this. What upset me the most about September 11th was how brilliant the attack was. In one strike Al Queda won a major battle in their war to take down western civilization. The reason is that no matter what we do they've driven a wedge against Muslim and Christian. This is not to say one hasn't been there since the Greeks were oppressed by those ancient people called Persians, but that brings up a whole different discussion I'm not prepared for.
The fact of the matter is that there are 1 billion Muslims in the world. Are you saying we should kill them all? Do you really think we can bomb them all into submission?
The Bush administration is doing an excellent job using force where it is needed (like against despotic regime in Iraq) and embracing the Muslim faith as part of the fellowship of mankind (like he did today in Washington DC to celebrate the end of Ramadan). Our leaders are being both wise and courageous enough to see that sometimes we need the carrot to reward our Muslim allies and other times we need the stick to keep murderers from spreading their poison. I hope my fellow Americans share Mr. Bush's vision.
If we help lead this world with compassion and justice we will leave this world for the better. Long live the Pax Americana.

Deuce Traveler

[johnqueuepublic]

DT

What the Muslims did on 9-11 imho saved us from something even worse, maybe a nuclear attack.

Before that date few here seriously thought that something like that would ever happen, we knew about Hamas, Black September, the PLO etc but we couldnt conceive of what would eventually happen in New York and at the Pentagon.

By attacking us these guys tipped their hand and even though it was horrific it was not a killing blow.

That was a huge mistake by the fundamentalists, now we know they and unfortunately much of the Islamic world is harboring such hate and envy that they will do anything to harm us.

And Bush has put his plan into action, we killed Al Qaeda in Afghanistan as the first step, next its going to be Iraq. We will take our time and take whomever down that represents a threat if that means Iran and then the Saudis I say go for it. I dont want accommodation, I want vengeance and scorched and salted earth until they beg for mercy, then I say we should give them some more just for good measure.

That is all they will understand.

Now if Bin Laden was really clever what he would have done is nothing on Sept 11, he would have continued to build his infrastructure until he actually had a nuke, then he would have snuck it into DC and taken out the entire government in one blow, that might have ended our society, maybe not, but it would have been horrendous.

The wedge was already there between Muslims and Christians we just didnt know it.

[johnqueuepublic]

One last point.

If we try to lead this world with as you say with "compassion and justice we will leave this world for the better" we will surely not prevail.

Compassion can come later, now its time for war.

[DeuceTraveler]

I agree with your previous post. There was a lot less anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world than Bin Laden believed. If he tried to get his teeth deeper into some more institutions we would have been in trouble, especially with the new liberal isolationist trend we were driving towards.
I also agree that Iraq needs to be removed from the chessboard and that war is the only way I can see to do it. I am stressing, however, that we need to more actively support Muslims who have been on our side, especially their non-violent democratic movements.
Finally, I do not like the term rag head.

[johnqueuepublic]

I probably shouldnt use the term, you are correct.

What I find really chilling is that after the japanese attack on Pearl we had groups of japanese here volunteering to join the servie just to show their patriotism.

Where are the Muslims like this?

I dont think they exist.

Check out the poll that the Pew organization did yesterday, the populations in most of the Islamic world simply hate our guts.

Ok, fine, if thats what they want then may God have mercy on their souls because they simply cant conceive of what we are cabable of doing, they have no conception that if things really get rough places like Mecca are going to be turned to glass.

[DeuceTraveler]

Actually, I have seen two articles dealing with Muslims in the US military. One was an Afghani whose parents fled to the US with him when he was young. He is now in the military and was stationed in Kabul last year.
There was another article a few months ago about a Lebonese-American that signed up after 9-11, to the shock of his family. He said he wanted to protect his home. His family was concerned he'd be hurt. It would be interesting for a historian to take some numbers down and figure out the percentage of Japanese-American soldiers during WWII and Muslim-American soldiers in the last year, but I admit I'm not privy to that data. Also, I wish I could remember if the Lebonese man was Christian or Muslim, since there are a large number of both.
I wish I had those articles for you. I'll try to look around.

DeuceTraveler

[DeuceTraveler]

And I don't trust polls... it's all how they word the question.

Look at how the polls told the mid-terms would go.

[johnqueuepublic]

In the first place I didnt write this, but hip hop culture is certainly an attribute of the inner city culture which was created by Johnson's not so great society.

The media that features and promotes this type of anti female pro gang thought process (if it can be termed that) also is supportive of extreme left wing demos like Clinton.

Read a few issues of Rolling Stone and their position on the upcoming war in Iraq and Bush.

Check out what is going on in hip hop, check out the lyrics of Lil' Kim and make up your own mind - the culture has been debased to the point where women who are the victims of this stuff are embracing it and extending it in even more harmful ways.

To my way of thinking its like Jews embracing dances at Dachau.

[johnqueuepublic]

The polls before Nov 5 showed things to be close, and that is how it turned out.

I wont say the polls conducted by Pew are totally accurate but they show a really bad trend, if my memory serves me correctly in Jordan 73% of the population disagree with our actions after 911, that is not a good trend.

What has happened in the muslim world is that through force feeding the populace hate propoganda against the west they have succeeded in creating a generation of blind terror supporters.

[ptrey]

I think I heard or read that Maddie Allbright had something to do with this poll. Has anyone else seen or heard about this link? TIA, Will

[Stultis]

Whereas Islam seeks a violent external overthrow as opposed to the left which has now taken the back door approach – both philosophies seek to impose a theocracy - the former seeking to impose one modeled on a rigid anti-Christian 10th century model while the latter a more modern but still anti-Christian one based upon its own religion of secular humanism and moral relativism.

I believe this is wrong. Moral relativism, multiculturalism, (facile) humanism, all these are tactics the left uses to sow destructive divisivness in and to undermine liberal, civil societies. Once the glorious revolution occurs, however, relativism is abruptly abandoned. The left (the hard left at least) is violent, totalitarian, moralistic and intolerant at heart. Their humanistic propaganda is only for egging on the useful idiots.

[Stultis]

I am stressing, however, that we need to more actively support Muslims who have been on our side, especially their non-violent democratic movements.

Many learned and anti-islamist Muslims have fled to the West. We should be underwriting Arabic presses and running them day and night to publish their writings.

[johnqueuepublic]

DT

My point is that there is no groundswell of support among Muslims for the war on terror like there was among Japaneses Americans after the Pearl Harbor attack. I dont think there are any significant number of Muslims in the military and my guess would be that most of them are of the Black muslim variety and not of mid east extraction.

[johnqueuepublic]

We did a terrible job supporting anti sadam forces, you are correct.

[johnqueuepublic]

In regard to albright, I dont know of any connection with Pew, although it is a notorious left wing think tank and is currently working with Leon Panetta in california to screw with oceaninc issues including limiting fishing, placing much of the california coast under further governmental regulation etc.

[johnqueuepublic]

Im not sure about your conclusions but I dont think they are necessarily contradictory of what Myer is saying.

[johnqueuepublic]

Im not sure about your conclusions but I dont think they are necessarily contradictory of what Myer is saying.