Court Orders Municipality To Pay Over $39,000 in Michigan Pro-Life Case

To: That Subliminal Kid

First amendment bump.

81 posted on 12/03/2002 6:30:26 PM PST by secretagent

To: Chancellor Palpatine

In response to your statement that if you had been there you would have done bodily harm to the protestors, too bad we weren't both there because I would have enjoyed kicking your ass.

82 posted on 12/03/2002 6:30:27 PM PST by LonghornFreeper

To: Notwithstanding

Wish I could have joined you -- thanks for being there !!

83 posted on 12/03/2002 6:47:51 PM PST by victim soul

To: Saundra Duffy

Pinging a FReeper of heart to an article to possibly help on i$$ues.

84 posted on 12/03/2002 6:58:21 PM PST by Issaquahking

Sadly, they were misinformed. An ectopic pregnancy cannot develop normally and puts the mother's life at risk.

Did you know that a prior abortion puts a woman at a higher risk of ectopic pregnancy?

New Study Finds Abortion Increases Risk of Ectopic Pregnancy by 50%

by Randall K. O'Bannon
National Right to Life Director of Research

http://www.prolifeinfo.org/risk004.html

An article published in the March issue of a leading American medical journal reports that a large study has found a 50% increased risk of ectopic (or tubal) pregnancy among women who have undergone abortion, with an even greater risk among women who have had more than one previous abortion. Publishing in the American Journal of Public Health, a team of French doctors and researchers reported the results of a multicenter study involving 1,955 women conducted in two regions of France between 1988 and 1991.

An ectopic, or tubal, pregnancy results when the embryo implants in the fallopian tube or elsewhere rather than the uterine wall.1 Undetected, the tube may rupture as the child grows (the fallopian tube lacks the expandability of the mother's uterus), resulting in the child's demise and presenting a serious threat to the mother's life. Currently, approximately 1.5% of pregnancies are ectopic pregnancies. The authors indicate that despite progress in diagnosis and treatment, ectopic pregnancy is still the leading cause of maternal death during the first trimester of pregnancy.

All women younger than 45 admitted into maternity centers for ectopic pregnancy in the Paris area in 1988 and in 15 maternity centers in the Rhne-Alps area between 1989-1991 were paired with the next two patients admitted to those same centers for regular deliveries. According to the report, the authors found that among women each of whom had no previous ectopic pregnancy, women who had previously had at least one induced (surgical) abortion were 50% more likely to develop an ectopic pregnancy than women who had not had a previous induced abortion.

Among women who had had two or more previous induced abortions and no previous ectopic pregnancy, the risk was nearly twice as high (90% increased risk).

The authors of the study say there has been a three- to fourfold rise in the incidence of ectopic pregnancy in developed countries in the last 20 years. Several risk factors for ectopic pregnancy have been identified, among them smoking at the time of conception, pelvic surgery, use of an IUD, pelvic inflammatory disease, and induced ovulation.

Yet these factors, according to an earlier French study by many of the same researchers, accounted for only about 65% of all ectopic pregnancies. The present study was initiated to determine if other factors, such as previous reproductive history, might explain some of the remaining one-third of ectopic pregnancies among women without any of these known risk factors.

Even the most basic analysis offers solid grounds for making the association. Twenty-two and half percent of the case patients (those presenting to the maternity centers with an ectopic pregnancy) had had abortions, while only 16.2% of the controls (those women reporting for a delivery to those same centers immediately after a woman with an ectopic pregnancy had been admitted) reported having an abortion. Even with other risk factors and the possibility of the controversial idea of recall bias (women not wanting to admit having had an abortion) factored out, the discrepancy remained.

Women who had previously aborted had a 50% higher risk.

The authors speculate that the higher risk could be "the consequence of uterine injuries consecutive to this procedure, either inflammatory lesions or asymptomatic ascending infections," in other words, due to injuries, inflammations, and infections resulting from the scraping and suctioning of a woman's uterus in a surgical abortion. These inflammations or lesions may damage the fallopian tube, inhibiting the transport of the embryo. Instead of implanting in the uterine wall, the embryo implants in the fallopian tube.

With approximately six million pregnancies in the United States each year (6.4 million in 1992, according to the 1996 Statistical Abstract), 1.5% represents some 90,000 ectopic pregnancies, or more, per year.

If one assumes that women having abortions have the same rate of pregnancy as those who do not, and that something in the neighborhood of one-third of all women have had abortions, figures such as those generated by the French study would lead one to estimate as many as 12,000 or more ectopic pregnancies every year in America being attributable to abortion. Despite the prevalence of abortion in the United States, there have been few studies on American populations. Some have shown a similar risk, but most, the authors say, "have not revealed any significant association." The French researchers dismiss such studies, saying they "generally have not included enough subjects to allow satisfactory statistical power."

Because of the size and design of the French study, there is little doubt that an association exists between abortion and ectopic pregnancy. This leads to an important series of questions. Why have there been so few American studies? Why have scientifically and statistically weak studies been put forward as proof of abortion's safety? Why should Americans have to look to France to get a thorough and unbiased appraisal of abortion's health risks?

One cannot help but see a parallel between this case and the situation with the abortion-breast cancer link.

When a cause, like abortion, is "politically correct," much of the medical establishment often ignores or covers up research, or simply fails to conduct research, that would challenge the view of abortion's relative safety, even if, biologically, there is reason to suspect a danger. And American women, as well as their unborn children, suffer the consequences.

At a minimum, this study presents a strong case for informed consent or "women's right to know" legislation. If this latest study is correct, a woman who aborts her baby may not only lose that baby but the next one as well and maybe the next one after that. How many women are told that death, once chosen, is a companion not easily abandoned?

1. There are other forms of ectopic pregnancy, such as abdominal or cervical pregnancies, but these are much rarer (though not necessarily less dangerous).

85 posted on 12/03/2002 6:59:51 PM PST by victim soul

Original coverage of this story:

http://www.credopub.com/archives/2002/iss20020812/20020812p07.htm

Some of the plaintiffs:

Pro-Lifers I know in front of the church:

86 posted on 12/03/2002 7:10:35 PM PST by Notwithstanding

To: Notwithstanding

Keep up the good work protesting at OLGC. We pro-life residents of Plymouth appreciate what you and all of the other protesters are doing.

87 posted on 12/03/2002 7:22:11 PM PST by ConservativeTeen

To: That Subliminal Kid

Murdered babies are pornography? Only to liberals... Two weeks ago on the way to work early I saw two protestors on the sidewalk. Looking more closely they were holding signs of aborted babies. I'd never seen them before.

88 posted on 12/03/2002 8:12:40 PM PST by Libertina

To: Chancellor Palpatine

But to insist that other people and their children have to put up with your crap and your definitions? No way.

Another Liberal exposed for the hypocrite they are. Too bad the Constitution says we can all enjoy free speech. Unlike you on the Left, we believe all people have this right. It's not limited to (as you believe) only those who agree with you.

89 posted on 12/03/2002 8:16:43 PM PST by jimkress

To: That Subliminal Kid

Oh sure...arrest people holding signs of murdered babies but let the people murdering those babies in clinics get off scott free. What a world.

90 posted on 12/03/2002 8:30:22 PM PST by For the Unborn

To: Chancellor Palpatine

Is marketing really the issue? Isn't the realization of the horrible truth? There is a very narrow road into God's Kingdom and no one every said that alot of people were going to travel that road. We shouldn't be worried about how many people will follow just that the message does get out. People then have to judge for themselves if they will seek out the truth.

91 posted on 12/03/2002 8:36:12 PM PST by For the Unborn

So just how would you like the pro-life cause to be characterized? Maybe nice and cutesy? Maybe with thousands of whole babies with wings already in heaven? My friend, what do you think happened to those precious creatures before they went to heaven?

92 posted on 12/03/2002 8:40:36 PM PST by For the Unborn

93 posted on 12/04/2002 12:44:11 AM PST by .45MAN

Scu**ag Statist Liberal Jackboot Smackdown Ping.

This past week, Judge Roberts signed a consent judgment ruling that the First Amendment protects the display of aborted baby signs and that the Plymouth Township Police Officers violated the United States Constitution when they prevented the pro-life advocates from displaying the aborted baby signs in public and when they confiscated the signs without consent, a warrant, or probable cause.

94 posted on 12/04/2002 5:31:42 AM PST by hobbes1

Do you think a woman with an ectopic should be told, "Screw your life! We are going to take a chance that at least the child makes it"?

Bella, that argument is a fallacy, used by the political left in this country, to blur the distinction, prior to ROE, the laws favored the already living in a case like that, outlawing, rather abortion for convienience' sake. READ ROE, most of Blackmuns justification centers on material convienience, and that is not a suitable reason for the taking of innocence, in your hypothetical, the Mother should be protected, always.And you would be hard pressed to find disagreement.

95 posted on 12/04/2002 5:36:55 AM PST by hobbes1

To: Chancellor Palpatine

Ah - so you were one of the people (and I use that term loosely) determined to wreck someone else's worship experience?

Actually considering it was A RC "Church", I would say that outraged citizens, have a duty to publicly call attention to the Church's inability to police itself, Granholm is NOT IN KEEPING WITH the church, and by allowing her face time, In and Out they are allowing her to trade on her alleged Catholicism to curry favor with voters, when in fact she is no more a Catholic, than these disgraced perverts that should all be excommunicated.

Should all of these men being sued for transgressions be allowed to trade on their supposed good works to help mitigate the horrible crimes they committed, of course not.

And the Bigger question is, should the Bishops that allow things like this to happen escape attention ? It was the most appropriate place for the protest.

96 posted on 12/04/2002 5:50:58 AM PST by hobbes1

those very same signs used to be displayed next to my kids Catholic elementary school/Church. it infuriated me that Catholic parents were more incensed about their kids viewing those signs than about the atrocities that took place inside the abortion clinic. fortunately, the babymurdering facility has been closed, due to frequent prayer vigils by the bishop and prolife protesters. My kids know what an aborted baby looks like because of those posters. They have no misconceptions that abortion is anything less than MURDER/DISMEMBERMENT of a baby. They are not scarred by that knowledge, they are informed. God forbid they are confronted with an unwanted pregnancy, they will know exactly what the choices are.

97 posted on 12/04/2002 5:53:28 AM PST by xsmommy

Granholm is NOT IN KEEPING WITH the church, and by allowing her face time, In and Out they are allowing her to trade on her alleged Catholicism to curry favor with voters, when in fact she is no more a Catholic, than these disgraced perverts that should all be excommunicated.

ditto mary landrieu, as Suzie Terrell pointed out!

98 posted on 12/04/2002 5:55:10 AM PST by xsmommy

That was so sweeeeet, to see her have the balls to call her on it. THAT is my kind of candidate.

99 posted on 12/04/2002 5:56:50 AM PST by hobbes1

To: That Subliminal Kid

Pictures of aborted babies are gross - of course, a picture of anyone who has been brutally murdered, torn limb from limb, would be gross. The vast majority of people who are pro-abortion are uneducated, so they really don't know what they are supporting. The ones who do know are cold-blooded killers.

100 posted on 12/04/2002 5:57:53 AM PST by MEGoody

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