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PRESIDENT BUSH SURPRISES PRO-LIFE LEADERS BY SELECTING KISSINGER FOR 9-11 POST
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | November 29, 2002 | LifeSiteNews.com

Posted on 11/29/2002 6:39:31 PM PST by Polycarp

PRESIDENT BUSH SURPRISES PRO-LIFE LEADERS BY SELECTING KISSINGER FOR 9-11 POST

Kissinger Strongly Implicated in Population Control and Abortion

WASHINGTON, November 29, 2002 (LifeSiteNews.com) - U.S. President George W. Bush announced Wednesday that he had selected former secretary of state Henry Kissinger as chairman of a new independent commission to investigate the September 11 attacks. Pro-life leaders were surprised by the selection given the President's aversion to coercive abortion and Kissinger's close association with it.

President Bush was praised by the pro-life community internationally for his defunding of the United Nations Population Fund due to their association with the forced abortion and coercive sterilization practices in China. However, Kissinger was intimately associated with coercive population control as he is the author of the now-declassified national security study memorandum calling for population control - coercive if necessary, in the third world.

Gilles Grondin, a veteran United Nations diplomat and past President of Le Mouvement en faveur de la Vie/Campaign Quebec Vie, (the pro-life movement in Quebec), told LifeSite that he was surprised by President Bush's selection of Kissinger. Grondin, who with his vast UN experience has been one of the most successful pro-life lobbyists at the UN, points out that Kissinger's memo NSSM 200 formed the basis of U.S. foreign policy in the area of population.

Grondin explained that the Memorandum suggested that competition from new world powers would rise when developing nations had sufficient populations to utilize their national resources to their full potential. Thus, NSSM 200 was about ensuring U.S. strategic, economic, and military interest, at the expense of developing countries, by proposing population control including by coercive means if mere propaganda could not succeed.

For more on NSSM 200 including the actual document see LifeSite at:

http://www.lifesite.net/waronfamily/nssm200/index.html

See Bush's announcement of his selection of Kissinger: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021127-1.html


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To: WarHawk42; nopardons; PhiKapMom; Texasforever
Kind of like how ANY thread which deals with our excellent National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice, degenerates into an abortion debate.

She said, ONCE, that she was "reluctantly pro-choice". From this, I have seen her accused of "Baby-Killing". No wonder the prolife side can't muster a majority in polls. Vicious hyperbole such as that helps NO ONE, except of course those who like attention.


281 posted on 11/30/2002 12:03:34 AM PST by Long Cut
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To: WarHawk42
You're exactly spot on, my old friend. I've been laughing my socks off, AT him, since this thread started.

WEant to get an even BIGGER laugh ? Go look at his FR profile page. LOL, LOL, LOL

282 posted on 11/30/2002 12:03:49 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Long Cut
You nailed it. I don't even go to the Condi threads anymore.
283 posted on 11/30/2002 12:04:41 AM PST by bonfire
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To: nopardons; Godel; WarHawk42; Mo1; bonfire; PhiKapMom; Long Cut
You obviously don't listen to Rush, in your assuming the pie is always the same size.

If we stopped spending billions on pop con, and instead helped them improve infrastructure, agriculture, education, and free markets, then the problem would be solved.

All industrialized countries reach an equilibrium in which the education and the type of employment a modernized economy entails naturally leads to reduced fertility/family size.

It has been seen in every western country, even prior to the widespread availability of effective contraception.

The solution is not 1 through 3 noted above, its helping them get infrastructure, agriculture, education, and free markets.

There is simply no way to keep a country living in third world poverty and honestly expect their family size to shrink without industrialization.

Why do they need help, while we "did it on our own."?

Because we had land for expansion, as well as our own strategic resources, when our country grew.

Our european immigrant ancestors enjoyed something these third world folks don't:

A place to move to where there was still land anbd jobs to be had.

That and the fact that we now control third world resources so that they are unable to take advantage of their own resources.

You either help them attain what we have, or expect continued warfare and terrorism.

Remember, in capitalism, the pie doesn't stay the same size.

Bringing third world countries up to first world standards does not take anything away from the first world in the long run, because it opens more markets for our own economy, especially when you consider that economies cannot continue to expand with contracting population bases.

The best way to lose an enemy is make them your friend.

Replace demographic warfare with capitalism and investment, and you will have a far greater return on your money.

And at least the possibility of peace with them.

Continue demographic warfare....expect terrorism and warfare for the foreseeable future.

284 posted on 11/30/2002 12:05:39 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Long Cut
Unfortunately, those few crazed zealots, make a total mockery of their positions and force those, who agree with them, to some extent, want to just throw up our hands and say : " THE HECK WITH IT ."
285 posted on 11/30/2002 12:06:02 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Long Cut
Vicious hyperbole such as that helps NO ONE, except of course those who like attention.

This is so true -- one issue folks tend to get preachy and turn others off!

286 posted on 11/30/2002 12:06:13 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: SwordofTruth
"Condoms can only help prevent pregnancy from occurring, they do little too nothing to stop the spread of AIDS."

You are correct, Sword about the relative diameters of the virus and the pores. But there is another factor that makes condoms of some use in prevvneting AIDS.

Condoms help prevent venereal diseases, and this is important because people with VD can more easily acquire AIDS.
287 posted on 11/30/2002 12:06:14 AM PST by APBaer
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To: nopardons
Go look at his FR profile page. LOL, LOL, LOL

Umm, no thanks.  I've seen enough here.  If the profile page is anything like this thread I don't think I will waste my time.  Not even for a laugh.

WarHawk42

288 posted on 11/30/2002 12:08:28 AM PST by WarHawk42
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To: Polycarp
You're advocating socialism and you accuse others of not being conservatives?

You need to get a grip.

Our european immigrant ancestors enjoyed something these third world folks don't:

What about the Europeans who stayed in Europe?

All industrialized countries reach an equilibrium in which the education and the type of employment a modernized economy entails naturally leads to reduced fertility/family size.

Your solution is that it will magically solve itself!??!

289 posted on 11/30/2002 12:12:01 AM PST by Godel
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To: Cicero
This seems silly to me. What earthly connection does a 9/11 investigation have with abortion?

None, of course.
The objective of posting this piece, with this headline, was to (try to) sow those tiny little seeds of doubt in the minds of lurkers, "undecideds", and certain conservatives of the naive "reverse-the-last-fifty-years-immediately" crowd.

It's a pretty obvious scumbag operative-planted thread and I'm surprised Jim Robinson has let it live this long. But whatever. I'm confident that nobody's buying anyway.

Regards,
LH

290 posted on 11/30/2002 12:12:27 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: sinkspur; Askel5
Is this old thread what you were referring to earlier?

"Abortion is Vital to the Solution" -- A 'Key Point' from Kissinger's NSSM-200 Posted on 09/09/2000 19:03:43 PDT by Askel5

291 posted on 11/30/2002 12:13:31 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
According to historians some of these people have been around much longer than we have.  Must be something in the water that held them back.:)

WarHawk42

292 posted on 11/30/2002 12:14:04 AM PST by WarHawk42
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To: Polycarp
OK .. I see your point .. problem is this, most of these third world countries live in poverty not because they lack land or resources .. but because of their dictatorship government ..

We today send boat loads of money and food and medical supplies to many of these countries .. problem is .. they don't get to their destination mainly because of their government ..
293 posted on 11/30/2002 12:14:09 AM PST by Mo1
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To: Polycarp; All
"The best way to lose an enemy is make them your friend"

Wrong. The best way is to kill him, and his allies. Anything else simply wastes time, and gets your own people killed.

Learn from historical REALITY, not fantasy. This is no Disney movie we're in. Your way simply prolongs things and gets good people DEAD.


294 posted on 11/30/2002 12:15:02 AM PST by Long Cut
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To: Polycarp
Gee, now Rush is " GOD " ? BTW, Rush is only repeating what others have long said , before him. Oh, and BTW, I started listening to Rush, in 1989; though I haven't / don't listen to him much anymore, because he's turned into such a damned pompous blowhard.

You have the tiniest grasp of things. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and you keep proving that axiom ! We aren't supposed to keep throwing money at people who don't want to learn how ro stand on their own two feet; we've " helped " so many third world nations, and they're STILL third world nations. Now, why is that ? We sent in advisors ( have been doing so for over a century now ) and they still haven't pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

Name me one country, where we've " taken over " their resources; just one , and then let them rot. YOU CAN'T DO IT , BECAUSE IT ISN'T SO !

Some religions keep their followers in perpetual poverty, by convincing those least able to support a HUGE brood, to just keep reproducing. No amount of technology, infrastructure, education, or the free market, is going to wipe out millenia of local and religious propaganda about having more children than you can support. You don't even believe that birth control should be practiced, so you're being hypocritical and ingenuous, at the same time, in your post !

You claim that " we " managed as well as we have, because we had " room for expantion ". REALLY ? Then why are England, Germany, France, Japan, not all third world nations ? They don't have nearly the land mass, that the USA does. Why are Zimbabwe and South Africa going back towards the stone age ? Both countries have vast natural resources and technology. You can't answer this correctly; but I can and the answer has absolutely NOTHING to do with your lamebrained ravings.

295 posted on 11/30/2002 12:20:19 AM PST by nopardons
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To: WarHawk42
It's hysterical ! But, it'll also turn your stomach, so better not take a look. :-)
296 posted on 11/30/2002 12:21:44 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Too late, I already looked.LOL

WarHawk42

297 posted on 11/30/2002 12:24:28 AM PST by WarHawk42
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To: Mo1; All
What you say is indisputable. Back in the'80s, I was in a conversation with a Liberal about the (then-current) problem of hunger in Ethiopia. She advocated money, as in "Live-Aid". I said that a FRACTION of the money raised by backslapping, self-important rock stars would be more than enough to solve the problem. She asked, wide-eyed, "How?"

I said that a mercenary force of sufficient strength to overthrow the government that was CAUSING the starvation would cost almost nothing compared to the vast sums which would shortly be funneled to the dictators of that nation.

I figured that a "Wild Geese" type op would take all of a week to eliminate said thugs and return the country to its people, along with the food. Absent that, said I, no solution to the problem would work.

She told me that I was a "Reaganesque" warmonger, and that LOVE, not hate could solve all. Of course.

I felt sorry for one so ignorant. So I gave her cab fare the next day.


298 posted on 11/30/2002 12:25:33 AM PST by Long Cut
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To: Polycarp
So, I see the ant-Catholic bigots are out in full force tonight. I am amazed that an article from a pro-life site could cause such an uproar on a supposed conservative site.
299 posted on 11/30/2002 12:26:42 AM PST by independentmind
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To: nopardons
It seems to have a persecution complex.  The next thing you know he will be accusing us of trying to nail him to a cross, and I have never belonged to the KKK.LOL

WarHawk42

300 posted on 11/30/2002 12:27:44 AM PST by WarHawk42
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