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Experts: Arkia Airliner saved by secret defence systems
Ha'aretz Daily ^ | 29/11/02 | Roni Singer

Posted on 11/29/2002 8:52:24 AM PST by the_second_moon

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To: the_second_moon
I don't think so.
Something like that is under development but won't be operational until next year.

41 posted on 11/29/2002 10:27:06 AM PST by Kaafi
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To: freepersup
Yes, the can is CO2. The terminology and names, I am not qualified to comment on. I have been told that the names you quoted are correct.

SA meaning surface to air. Not sure exactly of the model, but someone here knows, I am sure.

42 posted on 11/29/2002 10:31:00 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: freepersup
Here it is
43 posted on 11/29/2002 10:34:11 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: AndrewC
In an article read today, Osama's brother confirmed the voice on the analyzed tape was his siblings' after listening to it... This doesn't prove that the tape wasn't manufactured with authentic recordings of Osama. This debate will rage on. Nor does having the Swiss come out and debunk our experts, prove with sufficient clarity that it is a fake. ... I'll take a wait and see approach.
44 posted on 11/29/2002 10:34:46 AM PST by freepersup
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To: AndrewC
On another topic, just heard on the news that Osama just "got dead again". The latest tape is a fake, at least the reviewers are 95% sure of it.

Shortly after this news broke, there was a report suggestingb that the tape had been made up of interspliced segments of actual OBL speech AND a stand-in, which indicated that the tape was a fabrication. That report was never repeated, and following reports suggested a high probability that it was OBL. Methinks some folks here want the public to think that OBL is still alive. IMO, he died in Tora Bora.

45 posted on 11/29/2002 10:40:06 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: freepersup
Now I am not exactly sure what the can is. According to this, the rocket uses a solid fuel bump before the main motor lights. The can may be a replaceable battery or something.(or could be CO2 for other varieties of ordinance???)
46 posted on 11/29/2002 10:42:46 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Yup! I agree.

His confirmed death would not be a plus for the continued war on terror. The anti-war bunch would use it as a reason to stop.

47 posted on 11/29/2002 10:45:34 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Methinks some folks here want the public to think that OBL is still alive. IMO, he died in Tora Bora.

Me too.

48 posted on 11/29/2002 10:47:38 AM PST by AndrewC
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SA-7 GRAIL
9K32M Strela-2
HN-5 (Hongying 5) China
Anza MKI - Pakistan
Ayn as Saqr - Egypt

The SA-7 GRAIL (Strela-2) man-portable, shoulder-fired, low-altitude SAM system is similar to the US Army REDEYE, with a high explsive warhead and passive infrared homing guidance. The HN-5 ( Hong Nu = Red Cherry ) is an improved Chinese version with upgraded capabilities. The SA-7 was the first generation of Soviet man portable surface-to-air missiles. Although classed as "fire and forget" types, the missiles were easily overcome by solar heat and, when used in hilly terrain, by heat from the ground.
The SA-7 seeker is fitted with a filter to reduce the effectiveness of decoying flares and to block IR emissions. The system consists of the missile (9K32 & 9K32M), a reloadable gripstock (9P54 & 9P54M), and a thermal battery (9B17). An identification friend or foe (IFF) system can be fitted to the operators helmet. Further, a supplementary early warning system consisting of a passive RF antenna and headphones can be used to provide early cue about the approach and rough direction of an enemy aircraft. Although the SA-7 is limited in range, speed, and altitude, it forces enemy pilots to fly above minimum radar limitations which results in detection and vulnerability to regimental and divisional air defense systems.


The SA-7a (9K32 Strela-2) was introduced for service in 1968, but was soon replaced by the SA-7b (9K32M Strela-2M) which became the most common production model. The SA-7b, differs from the SA-7a primarily by using a boosted propellant charge to increase range and speed. The SA-7a had a slant range of 3.6 km and a kill zone between 15 and 1500 meters in altitude, with a speed of about 430 meters per second (Mach 1.4). The SA-7b has a slant range of about 4.2 km, a ceiling of about 2300 meters, and a speed of about 500 meters per second (Mach 1.75). Both the SA-7a and SA-7b are tail-chase missile systems, and its effectiveness depends on its ability to lock onto the heat source of low-flying fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft targets.
The Anza anti-aircraft missiles give Pakistan a response to India's superiority in modern aircraft -- India has a numerical superiority in modern fighter aircraft of more than 3 to 1 over Pakistan. The Anza MK-1, Anza MK-2, and Anza MK-3 surface to air anti-aircraft missiles have ranges of 4, 6 and 15 km, respectively. The missiles are manufactured by the laboratory named after Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear program.

The Anza MKI missiles, which have a range of 4.2 km, were manufactured and handed over to the military forces in 1990. It has been reported that the missile was used during the Kargil incidents between Pakistan and India. Pakistan downed two of India's military planes, a MIG-21 and a MIG-27, with the Anza MKI missiles for violating its airspace on 26 May 1999.

Egyptian technicians have reverse engineered and modified two Soviet SAMs -- the Ayn as Saqr (a version of the SA-7) and the Tayir as Sabah (a version of the SA-2). The Ayn as Saqr [Falcon Eye] anti-Aircraft missile system is designed to counter air-ground attack by all types of aircraft flying at low and very low altitudes due to its simplicity of operation, accuracy, light weight, mobility & versatility (either by one man or to be integrated into other overall A/D systems). Also it can be mounted on any combat vehicle, light or armored. Moreover the basic equipment can be fitted with IFF & night vision units.


Specifications
Date of Introduction 1972
Proliferation Worldwide
Crew 1
Launcher Name 9P54M
Length (m) 1.47
Diameter (mm) 70
Weight (kg) 4.71
Reaction Time 5-10 seconds (acquisition to fire)
Time Between Launches (sec) INA
Reload Time (sec) 6-10
Missile Name 9M32M
Max. Range 5,500 meters
Min. Range 500 meters
Max. Altitude 4,500 meters
Min. Altitude 18 meters
Length (m) 1.40
Diameter (mm) 70
Weight (kg) 9.97
Missile Speed (m/s) 580
Propulsion Solid fuel booster and solid fuel sustainer rocket motor.
Guidance Passive IR homing device (operating in the medium IR range)
Seeker Field of View 1.9°
Tracking Rate 6°/sec
Warhead Type HE
Warhead Weight (kg) 1.15
Fuze Type Contact (flush or grazing)
Self-Destruct (sec) 15
FIRE CONTROL Launcher has sighting device and a target acquisitionindicator.
The gunner visually identifies and acquires the target.
Gunner Field of View INA
Acquisition Range (m) INA
VARIANTS SA-N-5 Naval version
HN-5A Chinese version
Strela 2M/A Yugoslavian upgrade
Sakr Eye Egyptian upgrade
Mounted in several types of vehicles in four, six, and eight-tube launcher varieties.
Can be mounted on several helicopters (Mi-24, S-342 Gazelle)


ANZA MK-1 Specifications

Type 2-stage, low altitude
Length (missile, with retracted tail fins) 1.44 m
Weight (total launch assembly in firing condition)
15 Kg (Missile at launch) 9.8 Kg
Propulsion solid fuel booster and solid fuel sustainer rocket motor
Guidance uncooled Pbs passive infrared homing seeker
Warhead HE fragmentation (containing 0.37 Kg HE) with contact
and graze fuzing
Average missile cruise speed 500 m/s
Max missile manoeuvring 6 g
Self destruction time 14-17 s
Max target speed (receding target) 260 m/s
Max effective slant range 4,200 m
Min effective slant range 1,200 m
Max effective altitude 50 m
Weapon reaction time less than 5 s
Time from march to ready less than 10 s
for operation
Battery operation time more than 40 s





HN-5 (Hongying 5)

Anza MK-1

Ayn as Saqr







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49 posted on 11/29/2002 10:50:07 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
Russian SA-7 or variant I believe ...

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-7.htm
50 posted on 11/29/2002 10:52:14 AM PST by Bobby777
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To: wirestripper
we were on the same page ...
51 posted on 11/29/2002 10:53:30 AM PST by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
LOL!
52 posted on 11/29/2002 10:55:03 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper; Bobby777
The SA-7 was the first generation of Soviet man portable surface-to-air missiles.

Any idea why these were blue?

53 posted on 11/29/2002 11:00:21 AM PST by cebadams
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To: F-117A
The items in the photogragh a sa2 "strella's" Ivans version of a man portable shoulder fired heat seeking air defense missile. While not the greatest of its type it is capable of doing the job under ideal conditions.
54 posted on 11/29/2002 11:05:09 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner
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To: the_second_moon
Israel has air-defense technology on its airliners. We don't really have enough information to know whether it was used. And from this article, I doubt whether Ha'aretz knows.
55 posted on 11/29/2002 11:05:57 AM PST by Cicero
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To: cebadams
the U.N. base in Lebanon was stocked with Soviet weapons ... reportedly too sophisticated for the PLO to operate and intended for Soviet troops ... Israel found these in 1980's (early) ... some have suggested these were U.N. colors ... it appears to be the correct shade of U.N. blue ... given that it's against Israelis and Soviet-made it obviously is from one of their clients ... or client's clients, etc. ... they should be able to determine the date of manufacture and possible distribution ....
56 posted on 11/29/2002 11:07:05 AM PST by Bobby777
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To: Nebr FAL owner
correction not sa2 but sa7 strella
57 posted on 11/29/2002 11:12:31 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner
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To: wirestripper
That "cannister" has my curiosity spiked. I found a picture at the link below, that shows a soldier pushing in on what appears to be a plunger coming out of the can, facing forward. There are also pictures of the missiles. They are nearly as long as the tube. Definitely a close call for Israel aircraft.

http://www.army.fr.pl/uzbr/sa7.php
58 posted on 11/29/2002 11:15:40 AM PST by freepersup
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To: freepersup

59 posted on 11/29/2002 11:19:29 AM PST by cebadams
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To: Nebr FAL owner
model 9K32- Strela 2 OR... model 9K32- Strela 2M

that damn "cannister" is model 9B17 what is it ?

Strela = arrow (Russian)

60 posted on 11/29/2002 11:20:31 AM PST by freepersup
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