Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

[Restorer]

The bitter little vindictive Allah calls all his followers out to shed their blood [and that of their enemies] every time some little human slights his name, as if he should care.

Ahem.

Have you actually read the Old Testament? The God in its pages is a good deal more bloodthirsty than that of the Koran.

YHWH regularly called for entire cities and nations to be exterminated to the last man, woman, child and domestic animal, whether they surrendered or not.

Allah, at most, called for giving resisting males the option of conversion or death. Women and children were to be at most enslaved. I believe the animals got a free pass.

There are also rather a large number of passages where many thousands are slaughtered for failure to worship God in the proper manner.

[Weimdog]

"until Israel finds itself having to come face to face with it's actions in a very uncomfortable way."

What actions, other than defending herself, will Israel have to come face to face with?

[rastus macgill]

I contend that the three major Faiths originating in the near East do not worship the same God
As for Christians I was more tentative but there is much more difference betwen say........ Mormon and Cathoic and Pentecostal theology to settle this question so easily

[TLBSHOW]

WE EITHER DESTROY THE ENEMY OR IT WILL DESTROY US

Terror Attacks in Mombasa, Kenya -
Press Conference by Foreign Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu
Jerusalem, November 28, 2002 [Ministry of Foreign Affairs]

SNIP

This could have resulted today in the death of 150 Israelis. Today this is
directed against Israeli planes in Mombasa, tomorrow they could be directed
at Israeli planes from a Palestinian state, from Tel Aviv, and may I say
that if the forces of terror and the terrorist states are not dismantled,
they will be directed at the planes of states and countries and
nationalities worldwide. This has to be brought down today. The terror
network has to be stripped, the terror regimes have to be dismantled, the
terror organizations destroyed. If we don't destroy them, they'll destroy
us.

Q: Mr. Netanyahu, who do you believe is behind this? Do you have any
information?

A: We have our suspicions. We don't yet have concrete information. There are
several possibilities, but I don't want to make a definitive statement,
because we don't know yet. We will know. I'm being told right now that the
number of dead has gone up to three.

SNIP


We're talking about the future of Israel and we're talking also about
the future of our battle against international terrorism, and I think this
is what is at stake right now. Because you have to understand that unless we
defeat terror, it will defeat us. These are people who have no limitation,
no inhibitions, no moral compunctions. They will use any weapons they have.
If we give them the political and military power to be independent, to be
not under our control, they will use those powers to kill as many of our
citizens as they can. Not only the citizens of Israel, but the citizens of
many many lands. There is no compromise; no possibility of compromise with
the forces of terror. They either destroy us, or we destroy them. It's about
time that we woke up to this simple reality.

Thank you very much.

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=14704

[Lilly]

What kind of idgit doesn't know the answer to that question? How can you take someone like that seriously? There was, is, and will always be, only ONE GOD. His name is Lord Jesus!

[TLBSHOW]

(What kind of idgit doesn't know the answer to that question?)


liberals livin in America!

[crystalk]

Oh, to me that is so obvious, that the two are the same, that I wouldn't have even bothered to make the case.

The OT is a revealed Christian scripture [binding and infallible], so whatever is said of YHWH in the OT is equally true of the Christian God, who also is YHWH for that matter.

The NT, as the Dead Sea Scrolls have now made clear, were the writings of a not-entirely-mainstream Jewish group, but not so far out as many another that flourished in that era. Many books like the NT ones, obviously written by saints, were not found authoritative or canonical by the rabbis. But that could be said of the Talmud, the Kabbalah, and the Essene scrolls themselves.

Such debate is only about whether the one identical YHWH does or does not require certain behaviors and observances, not really vital stuff.

As to whether there is or is not a holy Trinity, that is for each to decide for himself. Neither the NT nor the OT says there is. It is a theological concept by scholars to help them understand and communicate.

We now find from the Dead Sea Scrolls and other sources, that Christianity's way of understanding and interpreting the OT was very much the standard and "de rigeur" way of seeing things in Second Temple Judaism, and especially of course in the various Essene sects that were the immediate parents of Christianity.

Thus IT IS RABBINIC JUDAISM, that of the Talmud and the last 1600 years, that has diverged in its thinking more from what was held in 100 BC Judaea, than Christianity has.

Thus Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism are not daughter and mother, but sisters, both siblings, both having the Second Temple as their parent.

[joesnuffy]

Islam claims that Jesus Christ
-Is not one with God the Father
-Is not The Son of the living God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob
-Is not "The Only Way" that man must be reconciled to God and is "The Only Way" to salvation
-Did not die on The Cross
-Was not resurected from the dead
-Did not ascend into Heaven
-Is not coming again to judge mankind

These things Jesus said of himself...

Jesus said and did many other things that were witnessed by hundreds of reliable sober people of sound judgement..

which the muslims also deny..

[Lilly]

You know it, FRiend!

P.S. Happy Turkey Day!

[fatidic]

Only one god statement is irrelevant. The God of the Bible commanded, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." He, at least seemed to think there were other gods that one could choose to worship.

[2sheep]

"Pat Robertson has the issue right. He knows that Islam, despite the existence of millions of "bad" Muslims who reject some of the fundamental tenets of their faith, is a religion of war not peace, that any country with a sizable population of even bad Muslims contains a ticking time bomb, ready to go off in hard times when confused people begin looking for their spiritual roots. When Christians find their roots, they find the Prince of Peace. When Muslims rediscover theirs, it is Muhammad the terrorist.   I wish no ill to Muslims, either as human beings or as adherents of a religion I reject. I would like to leave Muslims alone, in exchange for being left alone."  Thomas Fleming,  LITTLE WHITE LIES (Administration tells about Islam)

[Radix]

You are not understanding those passages?

The connection between those who actually lived in what we perceive as Antiquity, and those of us who live in the latter days?

Do you totally miss the metaphors, the types, and the shadows?

It appears to me that you have never heard good preaching.

There is a lot more going on there in those ancient texts.

Perhaps you might want to consider what the Bible actually says as a whole!

It is mystical stuff.

You will not learn that at the Harvard Divinity School.

You will not learn this stuff in any College or University.

You can learn these things by prayer and fasting and patience.

If I read you correctly, you have experienced none of these things!





I was just wondering!

[Delphinium]

Brigham Young taught that Adam was God. He claimed that J Smith had first taught that. It goes further then this. He said that Adam, in his resurrected state had sex with Mary, and that’s how Jesus was born. Hope this does not offend my Mormon friends, or relatives, but its the truth. Does this mean Mormons don't have the same God? Only God can judge that?

[Commie Basher]

At the risk of being flamed None of these religons share the same God.I am not sure all Christian sects share the same God .

My thoughts exactly.

It is PC on the Left to say that all three share the same God. But it is just as PC among necons to say that Jews and Christians share the same God -- as opposed to Muslims.

Really, everyone's spinning, jockeying for alliances.

In truth, and at the risk of sounding Clintonesque, it all depends on how you define "same God." If you mean the same concept of God, all three religions -- and indeed, different sects within those religions -- have a different concept of God.

One may even push the issue to existential extremes, and with some accuracy, state that every individual has a somewhat different concept of God, and thus every individual believes in a different God.

But you can also jigger definitions to state that all people, everywhere, believe in the same God. I know a Hindu who says that Hinduism is really a monotheistic religion, the various deities reflecting different aspects of the same God -- and that we all, Hindus, Jews, Christians, Muslims -- believe in the same God.

But this article is not about a search for theological truth. It's political spin, trying to firm up a Jewish-Christian allianace for a war against Islam. Spin, spin, spin.

[Restorer]

I'm sorry. I've made several posts on this thread. To which are you referring?

[Commie Basher]

We either believe the Bible or not. God revealed Himself to us in the pages of the "old testament" to the Jews, and He visited us through the Jews in Jesus Christ (Yeshua) as described in the "new testament"and fulfilled the law and was the sacrificial lamb Himself- for all- Jews and Gentiles.

Sounds like you think that the New Testament is the last word from God, hence you disregard the Koran. Do you also regard the Book Of Mormon to be a false book?

[crystalk]

Those punishments may seem harsh to you, but they are not for the mere slighting of Allah's name, like the fatwas of today and the like. Or "insulting the Prophet."

They represent the extermination of persons infected with the diseases of satanism and paganism. These were brutal, human-sacrificing pagan religions like the abortionists of today. If you think them too harsh, you are not alone, but there are many of us who think something similar will have to be done with Amalek today.

God says so after all.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

No. Christians believe in a Trinity of persons within the Godhead. Jews do not, but they also do not believe in a God who gives 72 virgins for people who blow up school children in a bus.

[joesnuffy]

When the Lord Jesus Christ encountered Satan in the desert he rebuked and refuted Satan's claims..
When the Prophet Mo' encountered Satan in the desert...one of his wives convinced Mo that he was hearing the Angel of the Lord and as a result wrote the Koran..