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Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?
frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

Posted on 11/28/2002 7:06:02 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

One in a series of excerpts adapted by Robert Locke from Dr. Serge Trifkovic’s new book, The Sword of the Prophet: A Politically-Incorrect Guide to Islam

One of the clichés endlessly repeated by those who would conceal the dangerous potentialities inherent in Islam is that Moslems "believe in the same God" as Christians and Jews. But this is a severe distortion of the truth, for what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true nature of the God that Judaism and Christianity tell lies about. Lies for which Christians and Jews will be punished in hell. The fact that Moslems share Levantine monotheism with us thus makes them more, not less, antagonistic to us on a religious level. Hopes for reconciliation on the grounds of common monotheism, as opposed to a realistic "good fences make good neighbors" civilizational détente, are wishful thinking.

The widespread belief in the non-Muslim world that Islam accords respect to the Old Testament and the Gospels as steps in progression to Mohammad’s revelation is mistaken. Modern Muslim apologists try to stress the supposed underlying similarities and compatibility of the three faiths, but this is not the view of orthodox Islam. Muhammad’s insistence that there is a heavenly proto-Scripture and that previous "books" are merely distorted and tainted copies sent to previous nations or communities means that these scriptures are the "barbarous Koran" as opposed to the true, Arabic one. (Let’s leave aside for a minute the puzzling question of how any degree of "distortion" of the Koran could produce either an Old or a New Testament.) The Tradition also regards the non-canonical Gospel of Barnabas, and not the New Testament, as the one that Jesus taught. The Koran alone is the true word of God and sets aside all previous revelations.

While the influence of orthodox Christianity upon the Koran has been slight, apocryphal and heretical Christian legends are the second most important original source of Islam. In other words, Islam contains an awful lot that Christians have deliberately rejected over the years as religiously unsound. There are also influences of Sabaism, of Zoroastrianism, and of ancient Arabian paganism, including the divine sanction for the practices of polygamy and slavery. The reports in both the Koran and the Hadith (authoritative traditional sayings) concerning paradise, the houris, (virgins) the youths, the jinn (genies) and the angel of death have been directly taken from the ancient books of the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism also originated the story that on the Day of Judgment all people will have to cross a bridge stretched across hell leading to paradise on which the unbelievers will stumble and fall down to hell.

The biblical stories been passed on to Muhammad presumably from Jewish and Christian sources, but it is probable that he never read the Old or the New Testament. Those narratives had deeply impressed him, but being incomplete and imprecise, they gave his imagination free rein. Of the books of the Old Testament he knew only of the Torah or Pentateuch and the Book of Psalms, while the Scriptures he treats collectively as "the Gospels." Muhammad took these narratives as they were given to him, and their use in the Koran amounts to random, approximate and often badly misunderstood reproduction of the Talmudic traditions and the Apocrypha. Moreover, they are of course devoid of their original contexts and of the spiritual message of the original.

Many Old Testament stories are changed beyond recognition, and can be treated as a "source" only in the most general sense. Abraham did not offer Isaac, but Ishmael, as a sacrifice. "Haman" was pharaoh’s chief minister, even though the Haman known to Jews lived in Babylon one thousand years later. Moses was picked from the river not by his sister but by his mother. A Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of Israel and misguided them, even though Samarians arrived only after the Babylonian exile. The accounts of Moses’ life are sketchy and say nothing of his character, descent, the time he was sent as a prophet, the purpose of his mission, and where, how and why he appointed Aaron as his deputy. It does not relate the argument between them and the people of Israel, which is crucial to the story. The story of Noah reflected Muhammad’s dilemmas and difficulties rather than Noah’s mission, and even the names of the idols that Noah warns against are Arabic.

The Koran makes reference to Jesus, Mary and events related to them, but with a critical distinction. It explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified: Allah made the Jews so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ: "They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them." Muslims claim that an impostor by the name of Shabih was crucified, and he resembled Jesus in his face only. It seems illogical to those who count "proud" as one of the "99 most beautiful names of Allah" that Jesus, who was capable of raising the dead and of healing the blind and the leper, willingly submitted to the cross and failed to destroy the Jews who intended to hurt him. Islam rejects the whole concept of the crucifixion, claiming that it is against reason to assume that Allah would not forgive man’s sins without the cross: to say so is to limit his power: "He forgives whom he will, and he chastises whom he will."

The denial of the Trinity is also explicit: Allah begets not, i.e. he is no Father; and was not begotten, that is, he is no Son; and no one is like him, which means he is no Holy Spirit. "They are infidels who say, Allah is the third of three." But "Isa" is not the Son of Allah, only a special prophet, and the Christians’ contrary claim shows how they are perverted. The Christians are guilty of blasphemy because of their belief in the "trinity" of Allah, Mary, and Jesus. The "real" Jesus was a righteous prophet and a good Muslim who paved the way for the final prophet, Muhammad himself.

There is a wishful myth in circulation among liberals that Islam accords respect to all "people of the book," i.e. Christians and Jews in addition to Moslems. While Islam indeed accords them a higher standing than it does to polytheists like Hindus (pace the question of whether Hinduism properly understood is truly polytheistic) or African animists, this hardly amounts to respect. Of all the "people of the book" only Muslims can attain salvation. Jews’ and Christians’ refusal to acknowledge Mohammed as the messenger of God dooms them to unbelief and eternal suffering after death. Christians are mortal sinners because of their belief in the divinity of Christ, and their condemnation is irrevocable: "God will forbid him the garden and the fire will be his abode."

Unlike the Christian faith in God revealing Himself through Christ, the Koran is not a revelation of Allah – a heretical concept in Islam – but the direct revelation of his commandments and the communication of his law. It has been said that the Koran, to a Muslim, is not the perfected Gospel, it Christ, the Word Incarnate. This is a somewhat tenuous metaphor, however, not a valid parallel: Christian God "comes down" and seeks man because of His fatherly love. The Fall cast a shadow, the Incarnation makes reconciliation possible. Allah, by contrast, is cold, haughty, unpredictable, unknowable, capricious, distant, and so purely transcendent that no "relationship" is possible. He reveals only his will, not himself. Allah is "everywhere," and therefore nowhere relevant to us. He is uninterested in making our acquaintance, let alone in being near to us because of love. We are still utterly unable to grasp his purposes and all we can do is what we have to do, to obey his command.

The Koran claims to be the fulfillment of a religious design which was imperfectly revealed to the Jews and to the Christians. It is the crowning synthesis, the final word. But viewing the matter objectively, leaving aside for a moment the question of the actual truth of the book, it seems hard to see how the Koran is a synthesis of anything. The way in which Christianity makes sense – again, simply as a logical matter and leaving aside the truth of it – as a fulfillment of Judaism, is clear even to the unbeliever. But the Koran’s claim is singularly implausible. Non-Muslim commentators fail to see in what way is the Koran an improvement over, or advancement on, the moral teaching, language, style, or coherence of the Old and New Testament. It is looks, feels, sounds like a construct entirely human in origin and intent, clear in its earthly sources of inspiration and the fulfillment of the daily needs, personal and political, of its author.

Finally, one cannot ignore that whatever mildly friendly things the Koran may say about Judaism and Christianity in its early part, the late Surras also signify the final break with the Jews and Christians, who are fiercely denounced. The Muslims must be merciless to the unbelievers but kind to each other. "Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them." War, not friendship, is mandatory until Islam reigns everywhere. Muslims are ordered to fight the unbelievers, "and let them find harshness in you." They must kill the unbelievers "wherever you find them." The punishment for resistance is execution or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. By the stage in his life during which these Surras were written, Muhammad was no longer trying to convert his hearers by examples, promises, and warnings; he addresses them as their master and sovereign, praising them or blaming them for their conduct, giving laws and precepts as needed. His raw dogmatism stands, finally, naked of all pretence.


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To: SickOfItAll
Yeah, whatever. I just love our government schools, media, etc.......absolutely pathetic.

Non-sequitur of the day award.

181 posted on 11/28/2002 10:21:00 PM PST by Restorer
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To: crystalk
Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, Ellen White?

Get real.

182 posted on 11/28/2002 10:21:14 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
Why is this term in the Constitution: "in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-seven"?

So where the date is given overrides the First Amendment? Somehow presenting the date in that fashion establishes that the First Amendment only protects Christianity and Judaism (nevermind that the Jewish calendar does not acknowledge that date)?

The words of Washington are great if you want to established the believed opinions of George Washington, however he was not the only author of the US Constitution. Given that early drafts of the First Amendment that specifically protected Christianity were rejected over wording that covers the much more general "religion" instead, I'm still not convinced that it was intended only to cover one specific type of religious belief.
183 posted on 11/28/2002 10:22:22 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: nicmarlo
I'm really curious about your position on this. It seems that by your definition, Jews had no need for salvation by Christ. They were already saved by the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants.

This seems rather contradictory to any explanation of Christian doctrine I've seen previously.
184 posted on 11/28/2002 10:25:24 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Dimensio
Here's some stuff from another thread (originaly posted by zguy discussing the 10 Commandment issue).

In the presence of God, Amen. We...do by these presents solemnly and mutually in ye presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves into a civil body politic.” -- The Mayflower Compact, 1620

We “...enter into a combination and confederation together to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ which we now profess.” -- The Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, 1638

“Whereas the glory of Almighty God and this good of mankind is the reason and the end of government and therefore government itself is a venerable ordinance of God....” -- The Great Law of Pennsylvania Colony

“The rights to freedom being the gift of God Almighty...The rights of the colonists as Christians may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the great Law Giver which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament.”-- Samuel Adams, 1772

1777 - The First Continental Congress appropriate funds to import 20,000 Holy Bibles as “the great political textbook of the patriots.”

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men....” -- The Declaration of Independence, 1776

“Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the event is in the hand of God.” -- George Washington, 1787

“God who gave us life, gave us liberty.” – Thomas Jefferson “Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed conviction that the liberties are the gift of God?” – Thomas Jefferson Memorial

“I have lived, Sir, a long time and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this....” -- Benjamin Franklin, 1787

“...the propitious smiles of heaven cannot be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which heaven itself has ordained....” – George Washington’s Inaugural Address, 1787

“Whereas, it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits and humbly to implore His protection and favor.” -- Washington’s Thanksgiving Proclamation, 1789

“and let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.” -- Washington’s Farewell Address, 1797

“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the gospel of Jesus Christ.” -- Patrick Henry After this sentence he said something like: "It is for this reason that all faiths will be welcome in America".

“The first and almost only Book deserving of universal attention is the Bible. The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of Civil Government with the principle of Christianity.” -- John Quincy Adams

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” – John Jay, first Chief Justice of the United States 1789-1795

“It is the duty of all nations, as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God and to recognize the sublime truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.” -- Abraham Lincoln, 1861

“...that we here highly resolve...that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom and that the government of the people...shall not perish from the earth.” -- Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, 1863

“Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teaching of the Redeemer of Mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise: and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian...This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour there is a single voice making this affirmation...we find everywhere a clear recognizance of the same truth. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation.” -- The Supreme Court of the United States, 1892


185 posted on 11/28/2002 10:25:26 PM PST by geopyg
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To: PhilipFreneau
One would think a secular Constituion would have merely stated, 1787 AD, if their intention was truly a secular one (the same applies to the Sunday exception clause in Article 1, Section 7).

Because they were trying to be formal and dignified?

AD is the abbreviation for anno domini, which means -- in the year of our Lord.

186 posted on 11/28/2002 10:27:31 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Dimensio
I'm still not convinced that it was intended only to covr one specific type of religious belief.

Nor am I. OTOH, religions that condone violence, murders, etc., cannot be protected, as those behaviors are more than just wrong. There is a standard by which citizens must live. Just as it is wrong to falsely claim "fire" in a theater, calls to take up arms and murder nonbelievers of a particular belief (i.e., Islam) cannot be allowed that type of "freedom."

187 posted on 11/28/2002 10:28:11 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: geopyg
Thanks for the quotes. It's nice to have intelligent discussion, rather than hollering.

Please note that many of your quotes do not specifically refer to Christianity, although that was undoubtedly the intent of the speaker, in most cases.

188 posted on 11/28/2002 10:30:06 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Dimensio
It always amazes me to find people using the Founders to justify intolerance of other religions, when this nation was settled by people seeking to escape religious intolerance.
189 posted on 11/28/2002 10:31:36 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Restorer
It seems that by your definition, Jews had no need for salvation by Christ. They were already saved by the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants.

I believe ALL men/women must accept Christ as their Savior to enter into the Kingdom of God. There is no birthright of salvation. Christ said we must believe in Him to be saved. He came first to the Jews, He said, but they rejected Him. Then He went to the pagans, the gentiles; only because He was rejected first by the Jews, His own people.

190 posted on 11/28/2002 10:32:31 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: geopyg
At least one of your quotes comes from a highly questionable source. Hope that helps.
191 posted on 11/28/2002 10:33:51 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Luis Gonzalez
this nation was settled by people seeking to escape religious intolerance.

Of course, many of them came here because they wanted the right to be religiously intolerant themselves. And exercised that right enthusiastically for most of a century.

192 posted on 11/28/2002 10:33:52 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Luis Gonzalez
ISLAM IS A CULT
193 posted on 11/28/2002 10:34:37 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
ISLAM IS A CULT

That it is, TLB, for sure.

194 posted on 11/28/2002 10:36:31 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: TLBSHOW
The point is that YOU don't get to draw that line, neither do I.

It is recognized as the second largest religion in the world.

Take the slogans elsewhere.
196 posted on 11/28/2002 10:37:22 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Dutch-Comfort
"Yes, they all worship the same God, they just don't all know him. And yes, the Moslems are to be brought to Christ. The Jews already were, except for those who chose not to come."

Yep, that's it.

197 posted on 11/28/2002 10:38:30 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Dutch-Comfort
Yes, they all worship the same God, they just don't all know him.

The Jews and Christians worship the same God, yes. And, no, they don't all know him. But the Moslems worship another god, who is not my Father.

198 posted on 11/28/2002 10:38:55 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: TLBSHOW
ISLAM IS A CULT

cult

n 1: adherents of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices 2: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal: "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season" [syn: fad, craze, furor, furore, rage] 3: a system of religious beliefs and rituals [syn: religious cult]

So is every other religion.
199 posted on 11/28/2002 10:40:21 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Perhaps, however George Washington himself seemed to be quite tolerant of other faiths (Judaism in particular) in a letter to a Newport, Rhode Island synagogue:

"The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens.

May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit under his own vine and fig tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid.

May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy.”

200 posted on 11/28/2002 10:42:12 PM PST by larlaw
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