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Pennsylvania Bill Could Silence Churches on Homosexuality
CENTER FOR RECLAIMING AMERICA. ^ | 11/27/02 | Greg Hoadley

Posted on 11/27/2002 6:02:07 AM PST by apackof2

Pennsylvania Bill Could Silence Churches on Homosexuality

A bill that could make pastors open to lawsuits for teaching the biblical truth of homosexuality could soon become law.
House Bill 1493 has already passed the Pennsylvania state, and could pass the House as soon as Wednesday, November 27.

"If pastors from pulpits speak either of the supremacy of biblical traditional marriage or speak of sexually
alternative lifestyles in an unfavorable way, under this amendment they could be open to litigation," William Devlin, president of
the Pennsylvania-based Urban Family Council, told Cybercast News Service.

"Basically," he continued, "it's saying if you're sitting and you're hearing and you feel intimidated, you can sue."

The bill would include provisions for sexual and gender minorities—gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender,
transsexual, transvestite, polyamorous, pan-sexual, and transvestites.

The bill provides no exemptions for religious institutions or clergy, according to Devlin.

"It is difficult for me to fathom that such a bill could become law in Pennsylvania," said Dr. D. James Kennedy,
founder and president of the CENTER FOR RECLAIMING AMERICA.
"Please, take a moment to call Governor Mark Schweiker, at (717) 787-2500, and tell him to veto House Bill 1493."


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: bill; catholiclist; churches; homosexuality; pennsylvania
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To: maeng
Freepers in PA, who controls the houses of the Pennsylvania legislature? The Democrats??
21 posted on 11/27/2002 6:26:22 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The Democrats have been using churches for many election cycles now. The Clinton Gore team perfected the use of
4 or 5 inner city churches in one morning. You mean you cannot talk politics from the pulpit? You could have fooled me.
22 posted on 11/27/2002 6:29:49 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: Polycarp; SoothingDave
ping
23 posted on 11/27/2002 6:31:44 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: apackof2
OK, here's the text of HR 1493 as it is currently before the PA House:

§ 2710. ETHNIC INTIMIDATION.

(A) OFFENSE DEFINED.--A PERSON COMMITS THE OFFENSE OF ETHNIC INTIMIDATION IF, WITH MALICIOUS INTENTION TOWARD THE ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION [OR], NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, MENTAL OR PHYSICAL DISABILITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER OR IDENTITY OF ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, HE COMMITS AN OFFENSE UNDER ANY OTHER PROVISION OF THIS ARTICLE OR UNDER CHAPTER 33 (RELATING TO ARSON, CRIMINAL MISCHIEF AND OTHER PROPERTY DESTRUCTION) EXCLUSIVE OF SECTION 3307 (RELATING TO INSTITUTIONAL VANDALISM) OR UNDER SECTION 3503 (RELATING TO CRIMINAL TRESPASS) OR UNDER SECTION 5504 (RELATING TO HARASSMENT BY COMMUNICATION OR ADDRESS) WITH RESPECT TO SUCH INDIVIDUAL OR HIS OR HER PROPERTY OR WITH RESPECT TO ONE OR MORE MEMBERS OF SUCH GROUP OR TO THEIR PROPERTY.

(B) GRADING.--AN OFFENSE UNDER THIS SECTION SHALL BE CLASSIFIED AS A MISDEMEANOR OF THE THIRD DEGREE IF THE OTHER OFFENSE IS CLASSIFIED AS A SUMMARY OFFENSE. OTHERWISE, AN OFFENSE UNDER THIS SECTION SHALL BE CLASSIFIED ONE DEGREE HIGHER IN THE CLASSIFICATION SPECIFIED IN SECTION 106 (RELATING TO CLASSES OF OFFENSES) THAN THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE OTHER OFFENSE.

(C) DEFINITION.--AS USED IN THIS SECTION "MALICIOUS INTENTION" MEANS THE INTENTION TO COMMIT ANY ACT, THE COMMISSION OF WHICH IS A NECESSARY ELEMENT OF ANY OFFENSE REFERRED TO IN SUBSECTION (A) MOTIVATED BY HATRED TOWARD THE ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION OR NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, MENTAL OR PHYSICAL DISABILITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER OR GENDER IDENTITY OF ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS.

Section 3 2. This act shall take effect immediately.

Now, exactly WHERE in this bill is this provision contained:

"If pastors from pulpits speak either of the supremacy of biblical traditional marriage or speak of sexually alternative lifestyles in an unfavorable way, under this amendment they could be open to litigation," William Devlin, president of the Pennsylvania-based Urban Family Council, told Cybercast News Service.

I am getting really, really sick of folks misrepresenting legislation. I don't think that Hate Crimes bills are a good idea. But neither is exaggerating what is in a particular bill.

24 posted on 11/27/2002 6:33:04 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: apackof2
Amendments to the Constitution

Constitution of the United States Articles in addition to, and amendment of, the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the legislatures of the several states, pursuant to the fifth article of the original Constitution.

Article I.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Article XIV.

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

25 posted on 11/27/2002 6:33:10 AM PST by No Truce With Kings
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To: apackof2
Bring it on. The Red Zone is on the verge of a mass vomitting of this PC-think. If the Dems think they took a beating in November, they haven't seen anything yet.

The quicker they try to shove this down our throats, the more projectile the reponse will be.

Bring it on and bring it on hard.

26 posted on 11/27/2002 6:33:11 AM PST by LTCJ
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To: randita
You are mistaken. This has been subverted into "Freedom From Religion"!
27 posted on 11/27/2002 6:36:22 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: apackof2
"Basically," he continued, "it's saying if you're sitting and you're hearing and you feel intimidated, you can sue."

Basically, they're free to get up and march their sorry behinds out of the church. Nobody is forcing them at gun-point to attend any particular church.

The day they start arresting pastors and others for speeking Biblical truth will be the day I probably get arrested for the first time, because as soon as they haul our pastor away, I'll be in line with others to pick up where he left off. Hope they have lots of room at the jail (hey, if they arrest us all, we can just move the service to the jail! What are they gonna do...arrest us??).

28 posted on 11/27/2002 6:53:44 AM PST by Pablo64
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To: Pablo64
The day they start arresting pastors and others for speeking Biblical truth will be the day I probably get arrested for the first time, because as soon as they haul our pastor away, I'll be in line with others to pick up where he left off.

Check Post #24. This bill has no such provisions.

29 posted on 11/27/2002 7:11:09 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
You have to commit some other kind of crime first, and if you have "bad thoughts" about the status of your victim, then they stick you with this one.

Sounds like Islam to me, where a crime against a Moslem is considered more serious than a crime against a non-Moslem.

When those bad boys pick off America and bring it into Mohammad's tent, the legal basis for full sharia law will already be in place - and the first victims will be the guys who developed that legal basis.

30 posted on 11/27/2002 7:16:15 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: twyn1
I wonder that if the First ammendment is no longer valid, what about laws forbidding sexual preference hate and perhaps even homo cide
31 posted on 11/27/2002 7:18:59 AM PST by bert
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To: oldironsides
Not from a conservative church, you can't. If there was a conservative church out there that was willing to endores a good Christian candidate and then be willing to defend their right to do so and to sue for selective enforcement of the law, I would send them some money for the defense fund.
32 posted on 11/27/2002 7:23:16 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: twyn1
I have a great respect for Bill. He has put his life on the line to fight for life of all kinds.
33 posted on 11/27/2002 7:26:03 AM PST by twigs
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To: apackof2
This doesn't sound like the PA. my coal mining Father grew up in.
34 posted on 11/27/2002 7:28:26 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo
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To: 17th Miss Regt
The House and Senate in PA are controlled by the Republicans.

Hard to believe......????
35 posted on 11/27/2002 7:29:23 AM PST by Rash32
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To: 17th Miss Regt
I thought Repubs controlled the legislature, but I could be wrong. But they won additional seats in this election, so they will for certain come January. Unfortunately, we also elected an amoral governor. He and Bill Devlin have squared off on moral issues before. Bill will have his hands full with Rendell in Harrisburg.
36 posted on 11/27/2002 7:29:50 AM PST by twigs
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To: dirtboy
Truth.
37 posted on 11/27/2002 7:30:42 AM PST by gitmo
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To: muawiyah
You have to commit some other kind of crime first, and if you have "bad thoughts" about the status of your victim, then they stick you with this one.

Agreed, and I think it's a bad law. But it doesn't do what this article is claiming - put anyone preaching against homosexuality from the pulpit in jeopardy.

38 posted on 11/27/2002 7:33:57 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: apackof2
And this is where America and the rest of the West is heading.

Next time a Lefty says "we must examine the reasons why Muslims hate us" point to THIS.
39 posted on 11/27/2002 7:41:13 AM PST by Guillermo
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To: section9
Judaism’s Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism (and then Christianity) Rejected Homosexuality (DENNIS PRAGER)
40 posted on 11/27/2002 8:01:41 AM PST by Kerensky
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