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The air industry's worst nightmare
Sierra Times Sagebrush Saloon ^ | Nov. 22, 2002 | Paul J. Caffera

Posted on 11/27/2002 5:28:22 AM PST by Boonie Rat

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1 posted on 11/27/2002 5:28:23 AM PST by Boonie Rat
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If something like this were to happen, and the perpetrator were to be caught red-handed, it would be preferable for control of the guilty party to be 'accidentally' lost to any mob present at the scene, as long as that mob seemed sufficiently energized and self directed to be capable of delivering an immediate and horrific death to the terrorist.

We've learned that the 'soldiers' who commit these acts are of limited intel value.

And we know that the enemy within our ranks will do everything they can to obstruct any delivery of justice should the terrorist remain in official custody.

Better that media reports, and -ideally- videotape, of their unspeakably hideous deaths at the hands of a mob be broadcast to the American people.

2 posted on 11/27/2002 5:40:53 AM PST by DWSUWF
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Hopefully this isn't true. Otherwise this means the death of the aviation industry.
3 posted on 11/27/2002 5:46:24 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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4 posted on 11/27/2002 5:48:52 AM PST by error99
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To: Aquinasfan
Hopefully this isn't true. Otherwise this means the death of the aviation industry.

Oh it is, and it's yet another tiny reason not to fly. I won't fly because I don't feel like being treated like a KGB political prisoner.

5 posted on 11/27/2002 5:52:38 AM PST by Centurion2000
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To: Aquinasfan
I'm only surprised this hasn't happened already. This would seem to be a rather simple terrorist act to carry out in comparison to the planning required to carry out the 9/11 attacks. And you are right, such an act would almost certainly bring down the aviation industry. It would be a long time before you would get me on a plane again and I'm one who flew hundreds of hours in C-130s when I was in the Marines.

What should be our response to such attacks?

Kill them all. Kill every last one of those Islamic terrorist bastards like the cockroaches they are. And completely bar any Muslim from coming into this country ever again.

6 posted on 11/27/2002 5:53:50 AM PST by SamAdams76
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Kill every last one of those Islamic terrorist bastards like the cockroaches they are. And completely bar any Muslim from coming into this country ever again.

Even that won't be enough. We have to drain the swamp, and that means either we begin a crash nuclear power program or we seize their oil fields. I don't have any problem with either or both.

7 posted on 11/27/2002 5:59:22 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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Me too. I prefer the latter option however. Consider the seizing of the oil fields as "spoils of war." Those Islamic-run countries can't even manufacture a toothbrush on their own without Western technology (not that they'd use one if they could). Without the oil revenues we keep supplying them with, they will revert back to their natural medieval way of existence. And that seems to be what they want anyway.
8 posted on 11/27/2002 6:03:45 AM PST by SamAdams76
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"If something like this were to happen, and the perpetrator were to be caught red-handed, it would be preferable for control of the guilty party to be 'accidentally' lost to any mob present at the scene, as long as that mob seemed sufficiently energized and self directed to be capable of delivering an immediate and horrific death to the terrorist."

Nah--that is only a "post terror" palliative. How about a preventive measure? Target two each 1 megaton nuclear missiles on Mecca and Medina, and announce that ANY FURTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS on the US will result in the conversion of those two targets into very large, glass-lined, holes in the desert.

9 posted on 11/27/2002 6:03:55 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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This has been feared for several years, and expected since last September. We have dozens of very busy commercial airports, each with approach patterns which cover huge areas from which to fire.

You don't necessarily need the latest and greatest Stinger missiles -- there are plenty of old Russian SA-7s floating around. And it wouldn't matter if every attack succeeded in downing its target, as panic would result from any missile attack, not to mention a coordinated attack at multiple airports. The only real trick for the bad guys is smuggling the missiles in, and keeping Aschcroft from detaining their key people -- so pray for the FBI to succeed in these roles. The attack itself is just too easy to do, and impossible to prevent. This truly is the airlines' worst nightmare...

10 posted on 11/27/2002 6:14:09 AM PST by Always A Marine
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I'm only surprised this hasn't happened already.

TWA 800. Check out the more than a hundred witness reports of a streak of light ascending into the sky before the plane blew up. And check out the strange behavior of the government during the ensuing "investigation." Such as the fact that the CIA, which is theoretically the foreign intelligence service, made a film about why all those witnesses were wrong, about a domestic carrier plane carrier that crashed in domestic waters, and broadcast it during prime-time newscasts. Or how it came to be that the head of the NTSB managed to "accidentally" fall overboard from an FBI-controlled ship, and soon thereafter went along with the FBI takeover of the "investigation." And about a hundred other similar things.

11 posted on 11/27/2002 6:18:27 AM PST by coloradan
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To: Wonder Warthog
"...Nah--that is only a "post terror" palliative..."

I realize that this would simply be a 'feel good' moment.

"...How about a preventive measure? Target two each 1 megaton nuclear missiles on Mecca and Medina, and announce that ANY FURTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS on the US will result in the conversion of those two targets into very large, glass-lined, holes in the desert..."

Of course!

(Although it would probably be best to flip a coin and summarily destroy one of these targets in order to assist the sand goblins in their efforts to focus on improving their ability to work and play well with others.)

12 posted on 11/27/2002 6:18:52 AM PST by DWSUWF
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Not simultaneously! There is precedence!!!!!!
13 posted on 11/27/2002 6:20:25 AM PST by verity
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To: Boonie Rat
I'm not a prophet, but I can easily imagine that if this comes true the results for Muslims in the USA will be for less "tolerant" than post-911.
14 posted on 11/27/2002 6:26:08 AM PST by twntaipan
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To: Always A Marine
I have worked not too far from the San Francisco aiport for the last 3 years, including one location that was less that a mile from the airport. It would be incredibly easy for a potential terrorist to find a good location (there are plenty), study the flight patterns for a period of time, open fire one day, get in the elevator, calmly walk out of the building, and drive away.

It wouldn't take a rocket scientist. I am surprised as well there hasn't been a rash of such activity...
15 posted on 11/27/2002 6:36:33 AM PST by Toirdhealbheach Beucail
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To: Aquinasfan
I agree that we should make siezing oil fields that consequences of their actions.
16 posted on 11/27/2002 6:44:12 AM PST by kjam22
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It wouldn't take a rocket scientist. I am surprised as well there hasn't been a rash of such activity...

Here in Orlando, there's plenty of places for somebody with a man-portable SAM to fire on commercial aircraft taking off or landing at OIA. Several tall hotel buildings, two toll roads north and south, lots of wooded area within the perimeter (and no patrols inside the perimeter), etc. You'd figure there would be aggressive patrolling by the police within a few miles of the airport to deter this, but there's not. Of course, these terrorists can't even get their s**t together enough to do logistically simple stuff like bombs or shootings.

Of course, that looks to me like one of their weaknesses. They go for the big scores instead of lots of little ones that would rattle us just as badly. Remember the Beltway snipers? Two guys had a fairly large area living in fear, and they didn't even go through a full box of 5.56mm ammo, which you can buy just about anywhere. How simple would it be for a couple of guys to waltz into a shopping mall during Christmas shopping season and start shooting everything that moves until they're out of ammo or killed? Or (since I'm in the Land of The Mouse), doing the same thing at Disney? Or, like posted here, to pop off some SAMs or RPGs or shell the runways with mortars?

I'm glad that people are thinking about these possible avenues of attack, but so far it doesn't seem to be their MO.

17 posted on 11/27/2002 6:56:46 AM PST by adx
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Just days ago, national security executives met secretly with airline CEOs to warn them that al-Qaida may be planning to fire shoulder-launched missiles at commercial jets in the U.S. There's virtually no defense.

Hard to tell who would benefit from verbal diarrhea based on a false premise.
Of course there's a defense.

We're not talking shooting down airliners cruising at 35,000 feet here.

Shoulder fired SAMs? LOL... LOL...

That's all I'm going to say, but this article can stress out only the most ignorant among us.

18 posted on 11/27/2002 6:57:07 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Wonder Warthog
Nah--that is only a "post terror" palliative. How about a preventive measure? Target two each 1 megaton nuclear missiles on Mecca and Medina, and announce that ANY FURTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS on the US will result in the conversion of those two targets into very large, glass-lined, holes in the desert.

Nah...

You have to remember, these imitation-human-beings are irrational; they don't think like humans do.
They would retaliate against the Vatican or the nearest orphanage.

I say target one square block in downtown of every Muslim capital...
Level them after the first trrorist act.

Level every "legislature" in every capital after the second terrorist act.

Level all the "presidential palaces" after the third.

If this is done systematically and without any discussion or hand-wringing... guaranteed positive results.
Animals only respond to instinct.

20 posted on 11/27/2002 7:03:15 AM PST by Publius6961
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