FREE REPUBLIC'S PRAGMATISM: HOPE AND CONSERVATISM DON'T MIX

Ether Zone ^ | 11/26/02 | Paul Fallavollita

[sauropod]

Sounds like a well-thought out plan to me. 'Pod

[Bob J]

I would like to add that I also advocated putting some teeth into our immigration laws, beefing up the Border Patrol OR using the military, and the lowering of our aid to Mexico by 10k for every illegal caught, processed and returned to Mexico.

[cornelis]

Free Republic is a large institution, and as with most organs of the Establishment, it is also ideologically bankrupt

This is funny in more ways than one. I had the feeling it was ideologically stuffed.

[sauropod]

Thx,

I think i get it now. My point was that our country is in danger of Balkanizing all in the interests of "diversity" and "multiculturalism" and "tolerance" and RodneyKingism.

FReegards, 'Pod

[sauropod]

Nothing like a little financial incentive to help Mexico see the light.

What would you propose for return offenders? I would think that the penalties should not be linear here. Make it $20k the 2nd time, $40k the 3rd, $80k the 4th....

Maybe deduct the cost of Medical for the illegals already here too.

[DLfromthedesert]

Do you recognize the words of this freeper?

[an amused spectator]

Geez, what's wrong with the proposed program? Didn't any of these people's ancestors come in through Ellis Island?

I like it - Bob J, "DU plant". (**snicker**)

You had us fooled all this while, lad. :-)

[Bob J]

That makes sense. Hopefully, if a program like this were started, most of the current illegals will see the light and sign up. If they don't, a beefed up interdiction program may ferret them out. Once caught, process them, ship them back and hand the bill to Mexico, which DOES ALMOST NOTHING to stem the tide.

As far as the health and welfare issues, denying someone benefits they pay for through taxation may have Consitutional problems. At the very least, we recoup some of the costs. I also do not support allowing them to bring all their family members over, unless they can sign some kind of contract that prohibits the use of the public dole. Once they become a citizen, it's a different story (immediate family only), but by then they will have a gainful employment history and hopefully be able to support them.

I also believe assistance should be tied to contributions to the SS and tax system. As you contribute, you gain "credits" that can be used for temporary welfare, unemployment insurance or SS retirement. That would eliminate the "retired" moving here and immediately taking advantage of SS benefits. Of course, a private pension system would do the trick too, but we will always have the socialists crying about those who dropped through the safety net. A combination of both might do the trick.

[Zon]

I do not wish to give up my liberties or freedom on the false premise/promise of big government "protecting" me, thank you.

The general public doesn't care much for politics thus their general disinterest. They're becoming increasingly motivated to vote for candidates that are the most rational and honest. The same is occurring in the marketplace -- especially with news media and education.

[u-89]

this is a conservative website

Define conservative. A lot of the feuding going on is because words do not match deeds and deeds do not match label.
Then again according to some people's understanding everything is in sync.

[Bob J]

Ha! Well, crossing a land border is much easier than crossing an ocean and that is the sticky wicket. We have an endemic problem that won't be solved by erecting a wall. Constructing a plan that addresses the core issues, illegality, health, taxation, welfare (those whose problem is the color brown will never be satisified) without alienating, what is now and will be more so in the future, an important voting block, is the key. Conservatives cannot defeat liberalism without the hispanic vote. I'd rather compromise on a few issues and be sitting in the legislative, judicial and executive drivers seat than crying foul! in the wilderness. Call me a pragmatist, a sell out, whatever. Just call. Heheh...

[Bob J]

Define conservative.

INCOMING!

[mrsmith]

The better we get, the more we're hated by these sad empty little minds.

[madfly]

If the country was 50% SUCCESSFUL Mexicans, productivity would be higher, churches would be fuller, and the public would be more conservative.

You might find this interesting. There has been an ongoing conversion from Catholicism to Muslimism within the Hispanic culture.

Just did a Goooglee for this link, to back this up, however I had read it months ago and was really shocked. In 1980, while fishing in Baja, we coulnd't buy any vodka for three days. The whole town shut down for the Easter weekend. In the town, Loretto, the old Mission church was the very first Mission to be built by the Spanish settlers. But I digress. . .

Link

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Hope is an OPIATE? Give me a break! Without hope, you have nothing but cynicism and/or worse, you become a predator. I know. I've been there. When I was low in the
hope department, I was a cynic. Conservatism IS hope. The opposite side of the coin, fear, is like liberal thinking. Fear of global warming. Fear of an ice age. Fear of deforestation. Fear of losing social security. Fear of change in general. Fear of job loss. Fear of death. Fear OVER HOPE-- that leads to a form of cynicism that wants a leader to trump the Constitution and force the world into a utopia.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

No the now were out of hotsauce!

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

We have an endemic problem that won't be solved by erecting a wall.

You would fit right in with Virginia. Virginians traditionaly hate walls. I'm of the opposing view: walls make for good neighbors. IMHO, it's a fatal flaw of Virginia to hate walls. Walls symbolise conservatism. Strong defense. Clear cut property rights. Removing walls is, in fact, a big step toward communal living.

On the other hand, perhaps land mines would be even better.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Regarding the pic, it's an Al Gore sighting!

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Conservatives cannot defeat liberalism without the hispanic vote.

The rats will always bid more of your tax money. If they want honey, they will keep voting for the rats. If they want to think long-term, they would vote GOP. I would not bet the farm on them thinking long term. There is another solution. Rather than trying to suck up to the illegals [because the rats can thrive off of the brown stuff a lot better than the GOP] why not cut off the flow? Cut off the flow of incoming rat voters, and walla! Problem solved. Keep sucking up for a few more years, you will be the backseat driver every time as far as immigrants are concerned, and rats are back in fashion again.

[VMI70]

For the purpose this thread, the applicable part of the definition is reduced, not increased, government. Government interference in our lives has increased by any measure under any administration.


If you are implying that this is not a conservative website for the reason I gave (republican vs conservative) in my previous post, then you are correct in that the site does not follow its stated pupose. As long as that is recognized, it is fine with me. The more the merrier and it gives me lots of opportunities to differ with those that put expedient politics, as cited in poet's reply, over principle.