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To: poet

I do not wish to give up my liberties or freedom on the false premise/promise of big government "protecting" me, thank you.

The general public doesn't care much for politics thus their general disinterest. They're becoming increasingly motivated to vote for candidates that are the most rational and honest. The same is occurring in the marketplace -- especially with news media and education.

129 posted on 11/26/2002 2:05:50 PM PST by Zon
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"increasingly motivated to vote for candidates that are the most rational and honest"

They are inclined to vote for only what a dishonest politician will give them or their region from the public trough and in the process accept the politicians enriching themselves from the same trough. Why do you think Bush is going to grant citizenship to 3,000,000 illegals? That, to me, is obscene! Rewarding lawbreakers with citizenship! He has former Admiral Poindexter setting up a data base to spy on all of us. If you rememember, Poindexter was convicted of five felonies which were thrown out on a "legal" technacality. What the hell is this guy doing in the government and spying on us?

I remind everyone that the obscene p.a.t.r.i.o.t. law was not needed because existing law would have achieved the same end by simply adding the words "domestic terrorism".

I've said this before and I'll say it again, there is not a law in existance or any new laws that will protect anyone against an attack or stopped one crime!:

Not one murder has been stopped by laws against murder, not one rape has been stopped by laws against rape, not one shooting has been stopped because of gun laws ans so on and so on. The perps violated laws on the books in this order:

They hi-jacked the planes, they took hostages, they murdered people, they destroyed property all of which are against the law and that didn't stop them, so, why do Americans think more laws will stop any criminal intent on breaking the law?

Section 802 of the phony p.a.t.r.i.o.t. act gives a broad definition of terrorism in sections 5B (i) & (ii)
Pay particular attention to 5B relative to "intended"

(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) Appear To Be Intended:
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

I'm not an attorney, but, it sure looks like free speech and the right to assemble is a terrorist act if some appointed commissar determines that a demonstration against a governement policy has a "bad intent", the same applies if someone "speaks" against a government policy.

Keep in mind, section 802 has no expiration date as does the rest of the act. Rather curious. Is it possible this will be the legal justification of the coming new world order to stifle dissent? nyah! Our government wouldn't do that to us, now, would they?

Well, I see a more devious reason for the p.a.t.r.i.o.t law. Section 802 is designed to curb dissent in the future when the New World Order comes to fruition. That is the only reason I can see for not having an expiration date for this section of the law. Here are just two clauses of the law

Now I do realize that A,B & C are conjunctive, the fact remains, someone has to determine the "intent" of the demonstrators and/or the people speaking against a gov't policy.

I know this is a long winded reply to your comment, but, I see the death of freedom and liberty in America in the name of a false "security".

For all those people who are willing to trade their freedom and liberty for a false "security" I wrote the following for them:

In the Name Of Security

The p.a.t.r.i.o.t act sticks in my craw
because it’s really a Gestapo Law,
the FBI gets more powers,
to spy on us 24 hours

In the name of security

Let’s not forget history,
of what happened in Germany,
the majority went along,
gathered in public throngs,
embracing all the wrongs

In the name of security

Cameras here, cameras there,
cameras everywhere.
on the corners, in the mall,
as our freedoms fall,
attached to traffic lights,
losing our privacy rights

In the name of security

Soon we’ll get ID cards,
as they build more prison yards,
they want us to watch the other guy,
an entire nation to spy

In the name of security

Giving power to strangers,
to people we don’t know,
presents future dangers,
as their power continues to grow

In the name of security

Ben Franklin said it best,
want to be like all the rest?
trade liberty for security,
only those in power will be free

In the name of security

Justification has begun,
we must keep terrorists on the run,
in the name of security,
you must give up your privacy

Give it up for security,
just don’t include me,
you want safety,
I'd rather be free

Copyright © 2002 By John J. Lindsay. All Rights Reserved
June 1, 2002


152 posted on 11/26/2002 7:24:31 PM PST by poet
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