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1 posted on 11/26/2002 5:57:04 AM PST by Bodacious
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2 posted on 11/26/2002 6:02:07 AM PST by chance33_98
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Gotta watch out for the darn grass eating owls. They need all the grass they can get. </sarcasm>
3 posted on 11/26/2002 6:02:42 AM PST by areafiftyone
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Wonder how much those ranchers pay for grazing rights relative to what they'd pay to rent land from another ranch?
5 posted on 11/26/2002 6:03:55 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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As members of the Arizona Cattle Growers Association know, this is more of the same effort to get ranchers off the land. Totally wrong-headed to have the areas ecosystem planning revolve around the owl, as opposed to seeking a balance that doesn't place ranchers at a disadvantage.
6 posted on 11/26/2002 6:10:23 AM PST by toddst
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7 posted on 11/26/2002 6:12:37 AM PST by madfly
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The injunction is set to kick in Jan. 22. But it won't go into effect if the Forest Service and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service complete a new biological review before then, Collins said.

I guess the environmentally correct thing to do is to set up a 60-day deadline...........

The last such review, which resulted in amended grazing standards set by the Forest Service in 1996, took a couple of years to complete,.........

for a study that takes rather more than 60 days to complete.

"Frankly, they may try to hurry this through so the time grazing is enjoined is shortened," Angell said Monday of the biological review. "My fear is they will try to rush this thing out as quickly as possible and, as a result, their analysis will be shoddy."

Rather that afraid, Angell is salivating at the prospect. Even if the biological review is the most complete and highest quality ever, Angell will sue because of the reports "shoddines". This looks like another case of a judge with an agenda, setting up someone to be sued again and again.

8 posted on 11/26/2002 6:13:34 AM PST by jimtorr
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Simply solved:

Catch the owls...........................deport them back to Mexico...........................resume grazing.

10 posted on 11/26/2002 6:18:36 AM PST by DoctorMichael
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The way to deal with "so called" endangered species:

Shoot and Shovel
12 posted on 11/26/2002 6:23:37 AM PST by apillar
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This story doesn't jibe at all with info from data at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Mexican Spotted Owl Website

Habitat Associations

Mexican spotted owls nest, roost, forage, and disperse in a diverse assemblage of biotic communities. Mixed-conifer forests are commonly used throughout most of the range which may include Douglas-fir and/or white fir, with codominant species including southwestern white pine, limber pine, and ponderosa pine. The understory often contains the above coniferous species as well as broadleaved species such as Gambel oak, maples, box elder, and/or New Mexico locust. In southern Arizona and Mexico, Madrean pine-oak forests are also commonly used. These forests are tpically dominated by an overstory of Chihuahua and Apache pines (and probably other species in Mexico) in conjunction with species such as Douglas-fir, ponderosa pine, and Arizona cypress. Evergreen oaks are typically prominent in the understory (Brown et al. 1980). In the northern part of the range, including southern Utah, southern Colorado, and far northern Arizona and New Mexico, owls occur primarily in rocky canyons (Kertell 1977, Reynolds 1990, Rinkevich 1991, Willey 1993).

Spotted owls nest and roost primarily in closed-canopy forests or rocky canyons. They nest in these areas on cliff ledges, in stick nests built by other birds, on debris platforms in trees, and in tree cavities. In southern Utah, Colorado, and some portions of northern New Mexico, most nests are in caves or on cliff ledges in rocky canyons. Elsewhere, they also use caves and cliffs, but the majority of nests appear to be in trees. Forests used for roosting and nesting often contain mature or old-growth stands with complex structure, are typically uneven-aged, multistoried, and have high canopy closure. A wider variety of trees are used for roosting, but again Douglas-fir is the most commonly used species.

Several hypotheses have been proposed to explain why spotted owls typically nest in closed-canopy forests. One hypothesis suggests that spotted owls are relatively intolerant of high temperatures, and roost and nest in shady forests because they provide favorable microclimatic conditions (Barrows 1981). This could explain why owls typically nest in either closed-canopy forests or deep shady canyons, as both habitat types provide cool microclimates. Ganey et al. (1993) provided support for this hypothesis. They observed that metabolic rates were higher and rates of evaporative water loss lower in Mexican spotted owls than in sympatric great horned owls, a habitat generalist. Thus, spotted owls appeared to produce more metabolic heat than great horned owls, and were less able to dissipate that heat. This may lead them to seek out cool microclimates during the breeding season (Ganey et al. 1993).

Little is known about patterns of habitat use by foraging owls. The only available data describe habitat use by eight owls occupying five home ranges on three study areas in northern Arizona (Ganey and Balda 1994). In general, owls clearly foraged in a wider variety of forest conditions than they used for roosting.

Feeding Habits

Forsman (1976) described spotted owls as "perch and pounce" predators. They typically locate prey from an elevated perch by sight or sound, then pounce on the prey and capture it with their talons. Most information on the food habits of Mexican spotted owls comes from analyses of regurgitated pellets. Specific prey groups identified from spotted owl pellets included woodrats, mice, voles, rabbits, gophers, bats, birds, reptiles, and arthropods. The diet in most areas was heavily dominated by small, terrestrial, nocturnal mammals, but species composition varied among areas. Woodrats were generally more abundant in pellet samples collected from northern latitudes, and peromyscid mice and birds were generally more abundant in southern regions of the owl's range. Voles appear more common in the diet of owls dwelling at higher elevations.

13 posted on 11/26/2002 6:25:41 AM PST by NautiNurse
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If I ever found an endangered species on my land, I would..........and not tell anyone.
If the laws were changed, I'd protect it.
Sometimes these laws hurt more critters than they help. Now everyone is trying to make sure that a critter is no longer on their land - that way the problem is solved quietly.
25 posted on 11/26/2002 6:57:44 AM PST by concerned about politics
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Do you have a link for this story? I'd like to send it to a friend who is in the business and would be interested in this story. Thanks.
30 posted on 11/26/2002 7:12:12 AM PST by .38sw
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I remember something called "The right to property." What ever happened to that, anyway?
If I paid money for years to own property, why would I be evicted and the property put up for auction if I don't pay property taxes?
Didn't I already pay for the land? Shouldn't I own it no matter what? Why do I still pay government rent?
33 posted on 11/26/2002 7:17:05 AM PST by concerned about politics
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As members of the Arizona Cattle Growers Association know, this is more of the same effort to get ranchers off the land. Totally wrong-headed to have the areas ecosystem planning revolve around the owl, as opposed to seeking a balance that doesn't place ranchers at a disadvantage.

What do you expect? We should be asking, "Why does the Federal government even own this land? As long as they own it, they have every right to implement any lame-brained land policy they want to. The ACGA ought to be concerned with lobbying efforts that force the government to sell portions of their BLM land portfolio, so that guys like you don't have to whine about being treated unfairly.

34 posted on 11/26/2002 7:17:53 AM PST by Sangamon Kid
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If the owls are all exterminated they will no longer be an endangered species.
38 posted on 11/26/2002 7:28:25 AM PST by bert
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Link? Please? I've been searching Google, AP, every way I can think of since my first post on this thread, and it isn't coming up. Maybe I don't know how to do an effective search, but I can't find the article. Thanks.
42 posted on 11/26/2002 7:40:05 AM PST by .38sw
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Hoot Gibson
...I wonder what old Hoot would say about this.
47 posted on 11/26/2002 7:49:29 AM PST by Consort
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TUCSON, Ariz. (November 25, 2002 10:42 p.m. EST) - A federal judge has issued an injunction that could temporarily ban cattle grazing on huge swaths of national forest land identified as nesting and foraging sites for the endangered Mexican spotted owl

Owls nest in TREES ... how many cattle do you know that eat wood ?? Bunch of moron judges.

48 posted on 11/26/2002 7:51:05 AM PST by Centurion2000
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ANWR caribou tastes like Mexican spotted owl- delicious !
59 posted on 11/26/2002 8:12:38 AM PST by freepersup
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Here are some additional thoughts on this subject.

Apparently, there are some people who seem to think that's it's O.K. for goverment to tell people what they can or can't do with the land that they purchased.

Well, whether anyone wants to believe it or not the vast majority of Americans DO NOT think so and anyone says otherwise is a bald faced pathlogical liar.

The enviro-wacko agenda that so many people seem to condone and sanction was rejected outright with the November 5th election. The public has spoken and they have stated emphactically they do not want these enviro-wackos setting policy for this country.

And I will tell you that enviro-wacko federal judge (I'll bet he's one of those X42 apppointees) needs to get his butt thrown off the bench.

We need judges who will interpet the Constitution, not judges who legislate from bench. This judge is not one of us.
Regards

80 posted on 11/26/2002 9:24:37 AM PST by E.G.C.
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Cool target, dude! Hah, right between the eyes!
96 posted on 11/26/2002 1:02:18 PM PST by TexasRepublic
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