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Death of American Twins, Liberty and Freedom
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Posted on 11/25/2002 3:27:05 PM PST by Old philosopher

Today, November 25, 2002, with the signature of George W. Bush creating the Department of Homeland Security, a milestone in the History of our great country was marked by the death of the Twin Pillars of our society, Freedom and Liberty.

The fight to keep alive these two foundations of our Nation has been a long and arduous one. The mercilous attacks on them have come from politicians on both sides of the aisle in their ever continuing grab for more and more power. Regardless of popular support for the twins, the political class has long sought to bring about their demise. In a "Bi-Partisan" effort both houses of Congress have voted to destroy the most important rights of the People, only a very few of the Congress opposed the death of these important twins.

Those of us who have known these twins for a long time will be very much saddened by their death, and those who have only known them briefly will soon learn how important they were to the Welfare and Security of our Great Country. With the death of Liberty and Freedom it will only be a short time until the Populace of this country will be living under a Dictatorship, controlled by an "Elite" class of politicians who will dictate every facet of our lives.

Requiem In Pacet!


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To: Coto
ANY idiot that believes the HSA is a 'good thing' for this country...only proves how poor the educational system(s) have fallen over the last few decade

I am sure that you have all relevant portions of the HSA bill at hand to back up your little list....right?

201 posted on 11/26/2002 12:24:55 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: L.N. Smithee
BRAVO; well said.
202 posted on 11/26/2002 12:26:34 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Roscoe
That, unfortunately, they do.
203 posted on 11/26/2002 12:27:16 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"...been made to have a smallpox vacination..."

I'll show you my scar...when you show yours

And I'm waaaaaaaaaaay older than that - - and endured my years in Public School, But I've learned a Great Deal since those days....

...seems that some others have failed in that and quit learning anything since that took off that stupid lookin' hat.

204 posted on 11/26/2002 12:27:53 AM PST by Coto
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To: Texasforever
If you haven't read thru it....why should I do it for ya ?
205 posted on 11/26/2002 12:28:56 AM PST by Coto
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To: Coto
If you haven't read thru it....why should I do it for ya ?

I have read it. You talk about sheeple and all you do is BAAAAA in chorus with the rest of the flock. You are ignorant and proud of it.

206 posted on 11/26/2002 12:32:28 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
...and with that....y'all can have this thread back.

I've have my fill of 'As The BushBotz Run' for a few weeks....

207 posted on 11/26/2002 12:33:33 AM PST by Coto
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To: Coto
I've have my fill of 'As The BushBotz Run' for a few weeks....

LOL. Go count your fellow sheep and get a good nights rest.

208 posted on 11/26/2002 12:36:14 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Coto
I have a smallpox scar; it's on my upper left arm. In my mother's generation, they used to inject that vacination, under a knee, so that a girl's arm wouldn't be scarred. During WW II, the time I was born, they didn't seem to care that I would have a perminent scar. That's how old I am! LOL

As one who has continually stated to anyone, who would listen, and one who takes her own advice, let me again proclaim, that learning MUST be a life time activity; it's not something to be ignored, after graduating from any school / college / university. It seems that you have delusions of intellect and superiority, where little exist. :-)

If you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay older than ... was that in regard to 1972, or the invention of the smallpox vacinations ? LOL

209 posted on 11/26/2002 12:36:53 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Texasforever
"...You are ignorant and proud of it....

My Ignorance level only increases as to the number of times that I vist Bush Central.....

It's tantamont to dropping a Diabetes Patient into a Cotton-Candy Machine:
Take a person that can't stand one item and kill them with it....

Ignorant...indeed....

Baa-aa-aa-aaa-aaa-aa-aa-aaa your own self

210 posted on 11/26/2002 12:37:13 AM PST by Coto
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To: Coto
My Ignorance level only increases as to the number of times that I vist Bush Central.....

Yeah but I can defend my position, you can only bleat.

211 posted on 11/26/2002 12:38:26 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Like my Father told me...

The Truth Will Stand when the world's on fire.

Pity that you can't see, or understand, The Truth even as Shrub regurgitates it for the rest of your gang.




Now then.....outta here...

212 posted on 11/26/2002 12:43:13 AM PST by Coto
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To: Coto
You can NOT debate something, of which you only have " feelings " about and NO actual knowledge of. Your positions , then, are based on thin air and assumptions; not f-a-c-t and you can't be taken seriously.
213 posted on 11/26/2002 12:44:00 AM PST by nopardons
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To: L.N. Smithee
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the governor, November 11, 1755

See http://www.anabaptists.org/history/ss8002.html for a bit of historical context. Wish I knew where the complete reply could be found online.
214 posted on 11/26/2002 12:45:16 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Coto
That's right, run away, when it's be proven that you're completely ignoranyt, incapable of intelligent debate, and the onlt thing that you can do, is be a pallid, juvenile disruptor.
215 posted on 11/26/2002 12:47:34 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Coto
The Truth even as Shrub regurgitates it for the rest of your gang.

Good night Molly. LMAO

216 posted on 11/26/2002 12:47:41 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Roscoe
It is telling that the most socialist of all the founders is the most quoted by libertarians.
217 posted on 11/26/2002 12:49:57 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: nopardons
What's REALLY telling, is that you have such a gigantic image of yourself. :-)

I hadn't thought about it quite that way. Today's politician (the ones you mentioned) must tread softly and parse words with those asking the questions. For me, that just doesn't cut it. There are some seriously hard questions that nobody (mainstream) is asking and our fate may depend upon the answers.

Sorry if I used the phrase 'kick *ss' to describe what would be the outcome of a debate between socialists, statists, and someone remotely versed in our country's founding and the principles upon which individual liberty is derived. It just seemed so elementary.

218 posted on 11/26/2002 12:52:23 AM PST by budwiesest
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To: Old philosopher
Sign ze papers, old man!


219 posted on 11/26/2002 1:05:10 AM PST by rockfish59
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To: budwiesest
" It just seemed so elementary ." As in juvenile ? LOL

Who isn't asking the " right " questions ; the media ? Yep, they haven't asked the " right " question, in my entire life time, and whilst I'm not ancient , I'm not young. I've been a news junky, since I can remember. Blame my mother for that ; she made me watch the Army/ McCarthy hearings and I didn't know what was going on, but I watched them with her. I asked her a lot of questions and she explained it, as best one can to a very little child.

Yes, Bush and his cohorts have to tread softly and parse words. You still don't quite " get " real politics; do you ? McGovern ( saying that he would raise taxes; remeber ? ), has been the ONLY politcian, in recent memory, who has stated, flat out, an unpopular idea. Heck, read the campaign speeches, going back to the beginnings of our nation, and find someone else, who actually came out and said something that contencious !

Our " fate ", as you call it, depends , to a very large extent, upon more and more people waking up to the fact that the government isn't GOD, doesn't owe them the fulfillment of their every desire, and that Marxism ( in any form / permutation ) doesn't work. It would also help, a very great deal, if more people ( including a whole lot of FREEPERS ! ) took the time to stop demanding the impossible and worked towards the possible. :-)

220 posted on 11/26/2002 1:05:56 AM PST by nopardons
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