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To: TopQuark
We aer becoming a third-world country.

At least in some parts.

I am always amazed at the "Lord Of The Flys" behaviour after athletic contests.

I don't know if I EVER saw such a thing while I was growing up in Oklahoma.
There might have been cross words and verbal threats after an OU-OSU, OU-Nebraska,
OSU-Nebraka football game...but starting fires, breaking windows and mayhem...
never.

I'll never forget seeing footage of the riot in the Westwood area on one of the
FOX Police Vidoes show. UCLA wins a basketball championship...hey, let's riot!

I guess I'm just a small-town naive virgin on this topic...I just don't get it.

But as I said, it must be the cultures in some parts of the country.
My understanding is that reporterette Connie Chung got "disinvited" and taken off the
job when she came to Oklahoma City following the Federal Building bombing...
and her big comment after viewing the devastation was "Why aren't these people rioting?".
26 posted on 11/24/2002 9:11:34 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
I guess I'm just a small-town naive virgin on this topic...I just don't get it.

Not at all! You and other "small-town" folk is what always distinguished this country in terms of civilized behavior. That's what many Europeans don't get and look at how high teh culture reaches. The French, for instance, measure their culture by the writers, artists, and philosophers it has produced.

But that is just one measure of a culture. Just as human spirit, a culture may (and should) be measured not only by how high it rises but also how low it falls when it debases itself. When you looked not to "high culture" but to small-town folk, this country has always stood out in terms of its civility. The most simple people, who have not even traveled to big cities and have not partaken of the sophistry, have been for the most part well-mannered and gracious. I am far from the first to say so so strongly. Most famously, this has been done by de Tocqueville (yes, Virginia, there are open-minded Frenchmen), to wit: "America is great becasue of the basic goodness of its people. And it will cease to be great if its people cease to be good."

You have my respect and, I believe, should be proud of your values. I am sorry to disagree on one minor point: the deterioration of civility is not limited to some parts of the country. It is widespread, although it well may be that the Midwesteners hold off longer.

Regards, TQ.

42 posted on 11/24/2002 9:32:57 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: VOA
At least in some parts

Looks like the riots covered all areas of the compass and points in between.

I can't believe fans at Cal actually rioting over a victory. I would think winning in Berkeley would be so un-PC.

46 posted on 11/24/2002 9:43:46 AM PST by socal_parrot
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To: VOA
There might have been cross words and verbal threats after an OU-OSU

The rivalry between Oklahoma and Nebraska has always had a gallant aspect. We really respected Devaney and Tom Osbourne.

And 'violence' at the Bedlam series with the Oklahoma Aggies (OSU Cowboys) was generally limited to name calling (such as "Moo U" and "Silo Tech" for the Aggies, "Tea Sippers" for OU).

83 posted on 11/24/2002 11:59:02 AM PST by Ole Okie
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