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Lincoln’s 'Second American Revolution'
LewRockwell ^ | November 23, 2002 | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Posted on 11/23/2002 7:30:17 AM PST by stainlessbanner

James McPherson and other prominent historians sometimes speak of Abraham Lincoln’s "Second American Revolution" (the title of one of McPherson’s books). They are correct to portray Lincoln as a revolutionary, but the reasons they give for this are incomplete or inaccurate. He led a revolution all right, but it was an anti-American revolution against virtually all the founding principles of this country. It was a revolution against: free-market capitalism (Lincoln was a devoted mercantilist); the principles of the Declaration of Independence; the Constitution; the system of states’ rights and federalism that was created by the founders; and the prohibitions against waging war on civilians embodied in the international law of the time as well as the canons of Western Christian civilization.

LINCOLN VERSUS THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

One of the most absurd Lincoln myths is that he was devoted to the principles of the Declaration of Independence. Harry Jaffa and his followers have perpetuated this myth for decades based on their own stylized interpretations of a few lines of Lincoln’s speeches. In reality, however, Lincoln’s words and actions thoroughly and completely repudiated every one of the main principles of the Declaration.

The Jaffaites usually dwell only on the "all men are created equal" line of the Declaration and ignore the rest of it. Not only is this selective reading of the Declaration intellectually dishonest; it is wrong. Lincoln denounced racial equality over and over again throughout his entire adult life. He did not believe that all men are created equal. In his August 21, 1858 debate with Stephen Douglas he said "I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races" and that "I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary."

"Anything that argues me into his idea of perfect social and political equality with the Negro," he said in the same speech, "is but a specious and fantastic arrangement of words, by which a man can prove a horse chestnut to be a chestnut horse."

"Free them and make them politically and socially our equals?" he continued. "My own feelings will not admit of this . . . . We cannot, then make them equals."

In his book, Forced into Glory: Abraham Lincoln’s White Dream, Ebony magazine editor Lerone Bennett, Jr. writes that "On at least fourteen occasions between 1854 and 1860 Lincoln said unambiguously that he believed the Negro race was inferior to the White race. In Galesburg, he referred to ‘the inferior races.’ Who were ‘the inferior races’? African Americans, he said, Mexicans, who he called mongrels . . ."

For his entire adult life Lincoln advocated deporting all the black people in America to Africa, Central America, or Haiti ("colonization") and was a member of the American Colonization Society. "There is a moral fitness in the idea of returning to Africa her children," he said in his 1852 eulogy to Henry Clay. Ten years later, in his December 1, 1862 message to Congress, he said, "I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I strongly favor colonization." He held these views until the day he died. As Joe Sobran has remarked, Lincoln’s position was that black people could be "equal" all right, but not here in the U.S.

Lincoln supported the Illinois constitution, which prohibited the emigration of black people into the state; he supported the Illinois Black Codes, which deprived free blacks of any semblance of citizenship or economic freedom; in his First Inaugural he supported a proposed constitutional amendment that would have prohibited the federal government from interfering with slavery; and he was a staunch supporter of the Fugitive Slave Act which coerced the Northern states to round up runaway slaves and return them to slavery. He did denounce slavery in principle, as did most political, military, and business leaders of the era. But as historian Robert Johannsen explained in Lincoln, the South, and Slavery, his position was opposition to slavery in principle, toleration of it in practice, and a vigorous hostility to the abolition movement. The notion that Lincoln was a champion of equality is an Orwellian absurdity.

LINCOLN’S WAR AGAINST CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED

A most important principle of the Declaration is the idea that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. In 1861 nearly every opinion maker in the country, North and South, held this as a cherished belief and, as such, thought that using military force to coerce any state to remain in the Union would be an act of tyranny and a repudiation of the Declaration of Independence. As the Bangor Daily Union wrote on November 13, 1860, the Union "depends for its continuance on the free consent and will of the sovereign people of each state, and when that consent and will is withdrawn on either part, their Union is gone." A state coerced into the Union is "a subject province" and may never be "a co-equal member of the American Union."

The New York Journal of Commerce editorialized on January 12, 1861, that opposing secession changes the nature of government "from a voluntary one, in which the people are sovereigns, to a despotism where one part of the people are slaves" to the federal government. This was the view of the majority of Northern newspapers at the time according to Howard Cecil Perkins, editor of the two-volume book, Northern Editorials on Secession.

After Thomas Jefferson was elected president the New England Federalists plotted for over a decade to secede from the Union. Their efforts culminated in the Hartford Secession Convention of 1814, where they decided against secession. The movement was led by George Washington’s Secretary of War and Secretary of State, Massachusetts Senator Timothy Pickering. All during this time, no one questioned the right of any state to secede because this was the Revolutionary generation, and they revered the Jeffersonian dictum that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. Senator Pickering announced that, because of this belief, secession was "the" principle of the American Revolution. The Declaration of Independence was, after all, a Declaration of Secession from the British Empire. Lincoln’s war destroyed this fundamental tenet of the Declaration.

There was also a vigorous secession movement in the "middle states" – Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and New York – in the late 1850s, as described by William C. Wright in The Secession Movement in the Middle Atlantic States.

As H. L. Mencken sagely pointed out in an essay on Abraham Lincoln, it was the Confederates who were fighting for consent of the governed; they no longer consented to being governed by Washington, D.C., and Lincoln waged war to deprive them of that consent. And it is important to keep in mind that neither Lincoln nor the U.S. Congress ever said that they were launching and invasion of the Southern states for any reason having to do with Southern slavery. They did not launch an invasion because the slaves were deprived of consent. Lincoln declared his purpose in the war in his famous August 22, 1862 letter to New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley, which was published in the Tribune: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union."

Of course, Lincoln only "saved" the Union geographically; he destroyed the Union philosophically by destroying its voluntary nature. His version of "saving the Union" is analogous to the situation where a woman leaves her husband because he has been abusing her. The husband drags his wife back into the home, chains her to the bedpost, and threatens to shoot her and burn the house down with her in it if she leaves again. The Union has been restored! But what kind of Union is it? It is the kind of coercive Union that has existed in the U.S. since 1865.

The U.S. Congress also declared on July 22, 1861 that the purpose of the war was to destroy the secession movement (i.e., the voluntary Union) and nothing more:

Resolved: . . . That this war is not prosecuted upon our part in any spirit of oppression, nor for any purpose of conquest or subjugation, nor purpose of overthrowing or interfering with the rights or established institutions of those states, but to defend and maintain the supremacy of the Constitution and all laws made in pursuance thereof and to preserve the Union, with all the dignity, equality and rights of the several states unimpaired; and that as soon as these objects are accomplished the war ought to cease.

Thus, the official purpose of the war, as explained to the entire world by Lincoln and the U.S. Congress, was not to interfere with "the rights or established institutions" of the Southern states, i.e., slavery, but to "preserve the Union." This was a clever euphemism for "destroying once and for all the system of states’ rights and federalism designed by the founding fathers." And as will be seen shortly, Lincoln eviscerated constitutional liberties in the North, which permanently weakened the constitutional protections of liberty for all Americans.

The Constitution was created by the states, who routinely referred to themselves as "free and independent states." They created the federal government as their agent, and Virginia, Rhode Island and New York explicitly reserved the right to withdraw from the Union if it ever became destructive of their liberties. Virginia’s constitutional ratification convention stated that "the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression." The New York and Rhode Island delegations made almost identical statements.

The Tenth Amendment includes a right of secession, since it reserves all rights not granted to the federal government to the people, respectively, or to the States. This includes the right of secession.

Lincoln knew that the Confederates had constitutional history on their side and so, as a slick trial lawyer, he decided to rewrite history by claiming that the Union was older than the states, and that there was never any such thing as state sovereignty over the federal government. He claimed that the government was really created by the Declaration of Independence, which of course had no force of law like the Constitution did. The Declaration was a Declaration of Secession, period, which makes Lincoln’s claim even more bizarre. It is also a colossal absurdity: It is impossible for the union of two things to be older than either thing that it is a union of. This makes as much sense as saying that a marriage can be older than either spouse.

Lincoln’s rewriting of history also repudiated the constitutionalist thinking of James Madison and other founders, who held that "a more perfect Union" was created by the Constitution, not the Declaration. Lincoln "proved" his false history "correct" by force of arms, not by logic and debate. Generations of court historians have repeated this spectacular lie, so that it has become part of the Lincoln legend.

Harry Jaffa and his followers go even farther than Lincoln did in rewriting history. They relegate both the Constitution and the Declaration to the political speeches of one man, Lincoln. "Above the Constitution, even above the Declaration, as an expression of American principles, is the magnanimous figure of Lincoln," wrote Jaffa’s colleague Charles Kessler in National Review (July 6, 1979). Jaffa and his followers have somewhat of a Führer complex when it comes to Lincoln, which of course is patently un-American. Placing any one man above the Constitution is a repudiation of the whole idea of constitutional government.

LINCOLN’S TRAIN OF ABUSES

The third major set of principles in the Declaration is contained in the "Train of Abuses" where Jefferson condemned the tyrannical King George, III. As I document in The Real Lincoln, every single one of these abuses was as bad or worse during the Lincoln administration. King George "dissolved Representative Houses"; Lincoln and his party governed the occupied South as a military dictatorship during the war and Reconstruction. King George "has made Judges dependent on his Will alone" and was guilty of "depriving us in many cases, of the right of Trial by jury"; Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus and had his military imprison tens of thousands of Northern political opponents. King George "has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our legislatures." The Party of Lincoln did this during Reconstruction. King George was condemned "for cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world." Lincoln put into place a naval blockade of the Southern states.

King George declared Americans "out of his Protection" and was "waging war against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coast, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large Armies, of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny." Every single one of these things was the policy of the Lincoln administration.

As a master politician Lincoln was clever enough to pay lip service to the Declaration of Independence, but his words and, more importantly, his actions, thoroughly and completely repudiated every single principle of the Declaration. This was indeed revolutionary.

LINCOLN VERSUS THE CONSTITUTION

The U.S. Constitution does not allow for a dictator, but generations of historians have described Lincoln as such. In his book, Constitutional Dictatorship, Clinton Rossiter wrote that "Dictatorship played a decisive role in the North’s successful effort to maintain the Union by force of arms . . . one man was the government of the United States . . . Lincoln was a great dictator . . . and a true democrat."

"Lincoln’s amazing disregard for the Constitution," Rossiter wrote, "was considered by nobody as legal." "Never had the power of a dictator fallen into safer and nobler hands," James Ford Rhodes wrote in his History of the United States. And James G. Randall wrote in Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln that "If Lincoln was a dictator, it must be admitted that he was a benevolent dictator." Why it "must be" was not explained.

The reasons why all these distinguished (and pro-Lincoln) scholars have labeled him a dictator can be found in the above-mentioned books, along with Freedom Under Lincoln by Dean Sprague, Fate of Liberty by Mark Neely, Jr., and Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men by Jeffrey Hummel, to name just a few references.

These books detail how Lincoln launched a military invasion without the consent of Congress and blockaded Southern ports without first declaring war. He unilaterally suspended the writ of habeas corpus for the duration of his administration and had his military arrest tens of thousands of Northern political opponents. A secret police force under the direction of the secretary of state carried this out.

The chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Roger B. Taney, ruled Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus to be unconstitutional (only Congress has such power), but he was ignored by Lincoln as the mass arrests of political dissenters continued. As described by Dean Sprague in Freedom Under Lincoln (p. 161): "The laws were silent, indictments were not found, testimony was not taken, judges did not sit, juries were not impaneled, convictions were not obtained and sentences were not pronounced. The Anglo-Saxon concept of due process, perhaps the greatest political triumph of the ages and the best guardian of freedom, was abandoned." Thousands of political prisoners languished in Fort Lafayette in New York harbor, which came to be known as "The American Bastille."

Dozens of Northern newspapers were shut down and their editors and owners were imprisoned if they opposed the Lincoln administration. On May 18, 1864 Lincoln sent the following order to General John Dix: "You will take possession by military force, of the printing establishments of the New York World and Journal of Commerce . . . and prohibit any further publication thereof . . . you are therefore commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison . . . the editors, proprietors and publishers of the aforesaid newspapers."

All telegraph communication was censored, the railroads were nationalized, and federal troops were ordered to interfere with Northern elections to ensure Republican victories. Lincoln won New York state by 7000 votes "with the help of federal bayonets," wrote Pulitzer Prize–winning Lincoln biographer David Donald in Lincoln Reconsidered. Several dozen members of the Maryland legislature were thrown into military prison along with the mayor of Baltimore and Congressman Henry May of Maryland so that they could not meet to discuss secession.

The most outspoken member of the Democratic Party opposition, Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham, was deported after 67 armed federal soldiers broke into his Dayton, Ohio home and arrested him. He had been vehemently protesting the suspension of habeas corpus and other constitutional infringements on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, and Lincoln apparently could not tolerate such talk. The Ohio Democratic Party made Vallandigham its gubernatorial nominee even though he had fled to Canada.

The border states were systematically disarmed, and two "confiscation acts" were written into law in which any U.S. citizen could have all of his private property confiscated by the government for such "crimes" as "falsely exalting the motives of the traitors"; "overstating the success of our adversaries"; and "inflaming party spirit among ourselves." Informers who turned in their neighbors could keep 50 percent of their neighbors’ property; the other half when to the U.S. treasury.

For decades, leftist historians have been praising Lincoln’s evisceration of the Constitution precisely because it established a precedent for the kind of executive branch usurpation of constitutional liberties that the founders gravely warned against. In Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln James G. Randall painstakingly details all of these attacks on constitutional liberty, and more, but then praises Lincoln for it by writing that "great social purposes " can be promoted by "abandoning constitutional barriers." One must look at the Constitution, says Randall, as "a vehicle of life" and a "matter of growth, development, and interpretation." He denigrated the founders by saying that we should not tolerate "excessive reliance upon the political wisdom of a bygone generation."

More recently, George P. Fletcher praises "Lincoln’s casual attitude toward formal constitutional institutions" because it has aided the cause of generations of leftists who have transformed the purpose of American government from the defense of individual liberty to "nationalism, egalitarianism, and democracy."

This – and Lincoln’s actions with regard to the Constitution – was a repudiation of the wisdom of the founding fathers, specifically of George Washington. In his Farewell Address Washington noted that if the Constitution is to be altered "let it be corrected by an amendment in the way in which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed."

Lincoln’s "change by usurpation," paved the way for so many other usurpations of constitutional liberty by the executive and judicial branches that today the Constitution is almost a dead letter altogether. Dean Sprague noted the significance of Lincoln’s "usurpations" by commenting that at the outbreak of the war "the federal government was not a real source of power." But once it demonstrated that it could abolish the opposition press and mass arrest any and all opponents of the ruling party "without any recourse to law," this established that the executive "had real power." Such an exhibition laid the groundwork for such unprecedented coercive measures as military conscription (which was loudly denounced in the North as "slavery") and income taxation.

WAGING WAR ON CIVILIANS

On April 24, 1863, Lincoln issued General Order No. 100, known as the Lieber Code, which reiterated the accepted conventions of international law that existed at the time and which prohibited the intentional targeting of civilians in wartime. Those who did so were considered to be war criminals and should be prosecuted as such.

But from the very beginning, the Lincoln administration ignored its own Code as its armies pillaged, plundered, raped, and burned their way through the Southern states. In 1862 the entire town of Randolph, Tennessee, was burned to the ground by General Sherman even though there were no enemy combatants there. In 1863 Sherman burned Jackson and Meridian, Mississippi to the ground, again after the Confederate army had left. In a letter to General Grant, Sherman boasted that "for five days, ten thousand of our men worked hard and with a will, in that work of destruction, with axes, sledges, crowbars, clawbars, and with fire, and I have no hesitation in pronouncing the work well done. Meridian . . . no longer exists."

Ninety percent of the buildings in Atlanta were destroyed despite the fact that there were no Confederate soldiers there, either. After the bombardment of Atlanta, an act that was prohibited by international law, Sherman evicted the remaining 2000 residents just as winter was arriving.

General Sheridan burned the entire Shenandoah Valley and his army stole or destroyed virtually all the private property there in the fall of 1864. Dozens of towns in Georgia and South Carolina were incinerated during "Sherman’s march," during which Sherman claimed in his memoirs that his soldiers destroyed $100 million in private property and stole another $20 million worth.

The pillaging and plundering of private property and the murder and rape of civilians was so widespread that even the pro-Sherman biographer Lee Kennett wrote in Marching through Georgia (page 286) that "had the Confederates somehow won . . . they would have found themselves justified . . . in stringing up President Lincoln and the entire Union high command for violation of the laws of war, specifically for waging war against noncombatants."

LINCOLN THE MERCANTILIST

When Lincoln first ran for public office in Illinois in 1832 he announced that "My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman’s dance. I am in favor of a national bank . . . in favor of the internal improvements system and a high protective tariff." Lincoln was the political "son" of Alexander Hamilton, who first championed these mercantilist policies.

Mercantilism was the economic and political system that prevailed in Europe in the sixteenth through eighteenth centuries under which special privileges were granted by kings and parliaments to a merchant elite in return for the political and economic support of that elite. It is the system that Adam Smith railed against in his magnum opus, The Wealth of Nations. Many of the pilgrims who came to America fled this corrupt system. King George’s attempt to impose this system on the American colonists, with all its state-sponsored monopolies and high taxes, led to the American Revolution.

There was always a group of ambitious politicians in America who wanted to bring this corrupt system across the Atlantic because, as corrupt and impoverishing as it was, it was a convenient tool for the accumulation of political power. First there was Hamilton and the Federalists, then Henry Clay and the Whigs, and then Lincoln and the Republicans. They all championed high protectionist tariffs that would plunder consumers for the benefit of manufacturers, corporate welfare for railroad and road-building corporations, and a central bank that could print money that was not redeemable in gold or silver that could finance all these adventures. They had almost no success at all until the entire agenda was imposed on the nation at gunpoint during Lincoln’s war.

Senator John Sherman, the chairman of the U.S Senate Finance Committee during the Lincoln administration and the brother of General William Tecumseh Sherman, announced the reason why the Republican Party chose Lincoln as its presidential nominee:

Those who elected Mr. Lincoln expect him...to secure to free labor its just right to the territories of the United States; to protect…by wise revenue laws, the labor of our people; to secure the public lands to actual settlers...; to develop the internal resources of the country by opening new means of communications between the Atlantic and Pacific.

David Donald interprets this statement "from the politician’s idiom" in Lincoln Reconsidered to mean: "Lincoln and the Republicans intended to enact a high protective tariff that mothered monopoly, to pass a homestead law that invited speculators to loot the public domain, and to subsidize a transcontinental railroad that afforded infinite opportunities for jobbery."

The Federalist/Whig/Republican policy of mercantilism was finally put into place during the first eighteen months of the Lincoln administration. The average tariff rate was tripled, and would remain that high or higher for decades after the war. The building of the government-subsidized transcontinental railroad (in California) was commenced even though a desperate war was being waged. The National Currency Acts and the Legal Tender Act finally created a central bank that could issue currency (greenbacks) that was not immediately redeemable in gold or silver. An income tax was adopted for the first time ever, as was military conscription, pervasive excise taxation, and the internal revenue bureaucracy was created. It was the triumph of American mercantilism and the beginning of the end of laissez faire capitalism in America.

REPUDIATING PEACEFUL EMANCIPATION

Lincoln also repudiated the means by which slavery was ended in every other country on earth during the first 55 years of the nineteenth century: peacefully, through compensated emancipation. The U.S. was the only country in the entire world during that time where war was associated with emancipation. The British and Spanish empires, and the French and Danish colonies all chose the peaceful route to emancipation, which occurred in Argentina, Columbia, Chile, all of Central America, Mexico, Bolivia, Uruguay, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela, and elsewhere prior to Lincoln’s war. Brazil ended slavery peacefully after the war. Ninety-four percent of all the slaves that were brought to the Western Hemisphere were brought to these countries; about 6 percent ended up in the United States. The former group was emancipated peacefully. Lincoln never utilized his legendary political skills to do what the rest of the world did with regard to slavery, and end it peacefully.

This is bound to be one reason why the great nineteenth century natural rights theorist, the Massachusetts abolitionist Lysander Spooner, wrote in 1870 that

All these cries of having "abolished slavery," of having "saved the country," of having "preserved the union," of establishing a "government of consent," and of "maintaining the national honor" are all gross, shameless, transparent cheats – so transparent that they ought to deceive no one.

Perhaps they ought not to deceive, but generations of court historians have seen to it that they have.

 


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To: stainlessbanner
The south did try or are you forgetting the confederate firing on the Star of the West in January? So even though the south did, strictly speaking, initiate hostilities during the Buchanan adminsitration the Union did not respond in kind. And nothing would have changed had the south allowed the relief force to land provisions in April. Instead, war was the southern preference.
221 posted on 11/27/2002 8:16:38 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: stainlessbanner
If Lincoln maintained the status quo, how come hostilities did not occur under Buchanan's watch?

ROFLMAO!!!

Because the rebels didn't open fire!!!

Walt

222 posted on 11/27/2002 8:35:23 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Don't laugh too hard; read post 221. Star of the West was fired upon.
223 posted on 11/27/2002 8:40:42 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Like I said, there was a big difference after Lincoln took over.

Yeah, that thing with the Star slipped my mind.

See how easy that was?

Walt

224 posted on 11/27/2002 8:45:56 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: stainlessbanner
If Lincoln maintained the status quo, how come hostilities did not occur under Buchanan's watch?

Duh! Because the Confederates fired on Ft. Sumter.

They changed the status quo, not Lincoln. Lincoln had been in office for over a month by that time and had made no call for troops while the Confederacy continued rasing more and more brigades --- over 100,000 men under arms vs the Union Army's total of 16,000, mostly scattered in the far west fighting Indians.

225 posted on 11/27/2002 9:24:15 AM PST by Ditto
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To: GOPcapitalist; WhiskeyPapa; Ditto; Non-Sequitur
Now, he didn't go out and sing the praises of all pro-compromise northerners like Seward, but his speeches seem to direct their expressions of frustration against those within the Sumner faction.

"Senator Wiggletail's" exchanges with Seward don't confirm your construction, unless accusing Seward of inspiring arsonism in Texas is acceptable conduct. Even the Texas Sons of Confederate Veterans agree that he was no voice for compromise.

[T]he secessionist radicals were at very minimum willing to look at and propose compromises in name.

I don't know whether that's the case. I'd have to do more research. But it does seem to me that it's easier for those committed to the survival and expansion of slavery to propose "compromises" that ensured the survival and guarantee the expansion of slavery, and easier for those committed to secession to propose such "compromises" if they they know that such compromises will be found too repellent to the other side to be accepted, than it was for those opposed to the expansion of slavery to accept such compromises.

[T]he secessionists, even in all their provocative and sometimes inflamatory speeches, as a whole did not approach the level of vitriolic personal incivility against their opponents that was practiced daily by the northern radicals.

Again, I'd have to look into this more closely, but it's not my impression. It does reflect the way Southerners spoke about Northerners, but the example of Wigfall accusing the moderate Seward's ideas of inspiring arsonists doesn't give me much confidence in your interpretation. Nor does John Reagan's talk about a "government of mongrels." I'd have to look into things more closely, but what I have seen doesn't confirm your view, at least as far as that session of Congress is concerned.

That does not seem to be the case among those who forwarded the Corwin amendment and other compromises during the late days of the session. The compromiser's speeches indicate a seeming belief that by acting they would genuinely save the union. Others believed they would be able to take the wind out of the sails of secession and make it a minimal conflict of a few weeks at most. Seward for example expressed this second belief in February 1861.

If that's so it does indicate a greater willingness to compromise than you attributed to Republicans in your previous post. Though even the Corwin amendment, which went very far in securing the survival of slavery where it existed, was not enough to win over secessionists. But still, once part of the country had decided against the union, it couldn't have helped compromise efforts.

Lincoln wanted a war and was willing to provoke it, be it at Sumter in early April or elsewhere. From December to April his letters and correspondences are filled with messages to his military commanders directing them to draw up plans and preparations to take back all the forts in the south. He was already planning for military action to retake the abandoned Fort Moultrie back in December.

I am sure that there are those who know more about the situation who would dispute your claims. There is no record of a plan to retake Fort Moultrie in the standard edition of Lincoln's collected works. Indeed, as of December 21 Fort Moultrie was still in Union hands and General Scott recommended reinforcements. The fort was not evacuated until December 27. Understand too, that Lincoln was not even in office until March. In the standard edition, there is also this footnote relating to an earlier crisis: "President Jackson had caused reinforcements to be sent to Fort Moultrie and Charleston Harbor, and had remarked that he was not making war on South Carolina, but that if South Carolina attacked, she would be warring on the United States."

Bear in mind that we have papers from the Kennedy administration which consider the possibility of a nuclear first strike. That was never Kennedy's intention, but it was a possibility that he had to explore.

I do not condemn him per se for those views other than their separated moral error - only those who portray him as something he was not.

Your meaning is unclear, but your "morality" looks Clintonian. Hypocrisy is the chief sin. And the way to avoid condemnation on that account is not to make moral claims. In this case, though, the "hypocrisy" wasn't Lincoln's, but that of his admirers. Those who don't subscribe to Clintonesque morality will take people's actions into account and not attack them for expressing moral aspirations.

They were hate filled and bitter men on whose hands the blood of thousands is stained.

An excellent characterization of the fire-eaters and radical secessionists.

226 posted on 11/27/2002 11:12:09 AM PST by x
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To: GOPcapitalist
Third, the secessionists, even in all their provocative and sometimes inflamatory speeches, as a whole did not approach the level of vitriolic personal incivility against their opponents that was practiced daily by the northern radicals.

What a crock of crap.

Two words:

Preston Brooks.

Walt

228 posted on 11/27/2002 11:55:45 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: x
"Senator Wiggletail's" exchanges with Seward don't confirm your construction, unless accusing Seward of inspiring arsonism in Texas is acceptable conduct

Wrong speech. Look at the one he gave sometime around February 28 or March 1st on the issue of compromises. I don't think there's a copy of it online though so you'll have to check in a library.

Again, I'd have to look into this more closely, but it's not my impression.

By all means look at it. You will find provocation and inflamation from the secessionists, but not the level of vitriol expressed by the northern radicals. The secessionists argued for policy, their case for secession, and against those who opposed them. The northern radicals threw out vitriolic personal smears as had been the case with them for some time. For examply you may recall the famous beating of Charles Sumner. His speech that provoked it caused outrage not over its positions but over the way he addressed his senate colleagues in it. Sumner used a great deal of his speech to lampoon the physical handicaps of a southern senator who had recently suffered a stroke. That type of behavior characterized the Massachussetts senator's speeches and was offensive to any reasonable person by its very nature.

It does reflect the way Southerners spoke about Northerners, but the example of Wigfall accusing the moderate Seward's ideas of inspiring arsonists doesn't give me much confidence in your interpretation.

Seward was by no means a moderate. A pragmatist in the secession crisis, yes. But a moderate, no. As for the accusation, it was political and therefore within the bounds of political discussion. There was a very strong fear of abolitionist terrorists attacking the south and plenty of prior incidents to make that fear rational. Therefore it became an issue of politics. Discussing politics is not the same though as attacking one's colleagues over their physical handicaps, or calling them names on the senate floor. To use a modern analogy, leftists regularly trash Jesse Helms and his politics, but it is unlikely that even the most liberal of the democrats would ever go to the senate floor and lampoon him for having to use a wheelchair scooter. That is the difference.

If that's so it does indicate a greater willingness to compromise than you attributed to Republicans in your previous post.

No, not really. Its indicative of a willingness to compromise among the moderates and the pragmatists within the GOP and the northern Democrats. Sumner obstructed the thing to the bitter end though.

I am sure that there are those who know more about the situation who would dispute your claims. There is no record of a plan to retake Fort Moultrie in the standard edition of Lincoln's collected works. Indeed, as of December 21 Fort Moultrie was still in Union hands and General Scott recommended reinforcements.

You are in error. "Please present my respects to the general, and tell him, confidentially, I shall be obliged to him to be as well prepared as he can to either hold or retake the forts, as the case may require, at and after the inauguration." - Lincoln to Scott regarding forts Moultrie and Sumter.

Understand too, that Lincoln was not even in office until March.

And that is precisely the point - he was plotting action to hold the forts and retake any losses months before he even took office.

Bear in mind that we have papers from the Kennedy administration which consider the possibility of a nuclear first strike. That was never Kennedy's intention, but it was a possibility that he had to explore.

Papers exploring the possibility of a first strike are significantly different from an extensive volume of letters over the course of several months instructing military officials to prepare for action regarding the forts.

Your meaning is unclear, but your "morality" looks Clintonian.

Nonsense. It would be admittedly inconsistent of me to hold Lincoln for his racial immorality but not the rest of his contemporaries. Accordingly, I only make issue of it in the frequent event that others claim Lincoln's racism not to be so.

229 posted on 11/27/2002 12:25:04 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: x
More on the forts:

Hon. E. B. Washburne Springfield, Ills.
My dear Sir: Dec. 21. 1860
Yours giving an account of an interview with Gen. Scott, is received, and for which I thank you. According to my present view, if the forts shall be given up before the inaugeration, the General must retake them afterwards. Yours truly A. LINCOLN

230 posted on 11/27/2002 12:27:59 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Two words: Preston Brooks.

Glad you brought that up, Walt. And you know why Preston Brooks gave Senator Sumner his well deserved beating? Because Senator Sumner went on the Senate floor and lampooned at length the stroke-induced physical disabilities of his relative Andrew Butler. It was the perfect example of a northern radical stepping way out of bounds to make vitriolic personal attacks upon his opponents instead of debating them on the issues.

231 posted on 11/27/2002 12:32:57 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Because the rebels didn't open fire!!!

Actually Walt, they did when Buchanan tried to sneak troops into Sumter on the Star of the West. Buchanan certainly didn't respond the same way as Lincoln did, namely invading and conquering 11 states.

232 posted on 11/27/2002 12:35:26 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
My citation of Wigfall's accusations against Seward disproves your claim that he focused narrowly on Radical Republicans. You can say Seward wasn't "moderate," but his efforts to resolve the conflict did not merit such abuse.

Your claims about Sumner's general character and approach may be true, but do not back up your claim that there was daily vicious abuse of Southerners by Republicans during the late 1860 early 1861 Congressional session. If you have evidence of this, provide it.

Nor is accusing your opponents of inspiring arson acceptable political rhetoric. It is on par with accusing one's opponents of inspiring terror bombings today.

"Plotting" is a particularly invidious characterization of Lincoln's consideration of options. Clearly the army would have to be prepared for all contingencies and taking back the fort was one such contingency. A less biased observer would not characterize this as "plotting" but as preparedness and consideration of options. Lincoln was in no position to order anything in December 1860 and took no steps after his inauguration to take back Fort Moultrie, but making sure the army was in a state of preparedness was surely no crime.

233 posted on 11/27/2002 12:51:39 PM PST by x
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To: GOPcapitalist
It was necessary that the Union have some foothold in the rebel states in order to maintain the idea that the union had not been sundered. If there were such a foothold, the Union could maintain a "constructive engagement" in the region and hold on until reason prevailed. If all such footholds had been evacuated or surrendered, this would be much harder to do. But had all forts, arsenals, post offices, etc. been surrendered before the change in administrations, it's not clear that retaking them would have been a real option. In any event, things looked very different in March than in December.
234 posted on 11/27/2002 1:08:39 PM PST by x
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To: x
Hypocrisy is the chief sin. And the way to avoid condemnation on that account is not to make moral claims. In this case, though, the "hypocrisy" wasn't Lincoln's, but that of his admirers. Those who don't subscribe to Clintonesque morality will take people's actions into account and not attack them for expressing moral aspirations.

Outstanding comment! With no further discussion of the Civil War or its actors, your note on the mortal sin of "hypocrisy" is a modern construction designed to destroy opponents while totally avoiding the issues at hand. Clinton's character assassins were masters at promoting hypocrisy as the greatest sin imaginable and used that intellectual dodge to divert attention from their own very real sins.

The only people in the world that have never been guilty of hypocrisy are those who have never had morals in the first place. Neither Bill Clinton nor Larry Flynt will ever be accused of being a hypocrite. They have no moral code to violate. Our “post modern” construct of making hypocrisy the worst sin imaginable only divers us ever quicker to Gomorrah. It makes taking a moral position a potentially fatal flaw.

235 posted on 11/27/2002 1:42:22 PM PST by Ditto
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To: GOPcapitalist
he was plotting action to hold the forts and retake any losses months before he even took office.

He was planning on holding on to or reclaiming property belonging to the United States. What is illegal about that?

236 posted on 11/27/2002 2:15:35 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: WhiskeyPapa

"The M1911A1 .45 was a semi-automatic pistol. There was a colt .45 revolver also. So your screen name is poorly chosen."

Gosh ... you even know what a M1911A1 is ... well I AM IMPRESSED. I figured you were only into Tokarevs, Kalashnikovs, and Comrades! If I wanted to be named after the Colt .45 Pistol ... I would've made my screen name 'PEACEMAKER'!!! Walt .... you are a cretin!

237 posted on 11/27/2002 3:37:01 PM PST by Colt .45
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To: WhiskeyPapa
No casualties at Fort Sumter. Bon of a Sitch.
238 posted on 11/27/2002 3:44:59 PM PST by H.Akston
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Your world is upside down - a place where the Federal Government created the States.
239 posted on 11/27/2002 3:50:27 PM PST by H.Akston
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To: x
It was necessary that the Union have some foothold in the rebel states in order to maintain the idea that the union had not been sundered.

It may suited some political desire of The Lincoln, but no. It was not necessary.

If there were such a foothold, the Union could maintain a "constructive engagement" in the region and hold on until reason prevailed.

Actually it was widely believed at the time (and with good reason) that the continued union presence in the south only exacerbated the situation with the confederates, much like an irritant.

240 posted on 11/27/2002 8:16:36 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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