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To: PuNcH; MissAmericanPie; wcbtinman; 4Freedom; nanny; Sabertooth; ApesForEvolution; Allegra; ...
Illegals erode the rule of law and create an atmosphere that is antagonistic to assimilation

This is the essense of what I believe, too, and goes to the core of the problem. We want people to come here who want to be AMERICANS, not people who just want to grab the dough and the goodies.

That said, we still have a terrible problem. There are so many of them here now, and their children (Due not just to Democrats and the media and the Catholic church all protecting and encouraging them, but also to the original amnesty that RONALD REAGAN signed.)

They have passed a threshold in a large part of the country in numbers so that they can effectively block with their votes combined with the Dems anything effective to stop this.

That is the reality.

How do you get tough about illegal immigration in this reality of being under occupation essentially when any effort to be tough leads to your immediate political demise?

You all can scream all you want, but you are not running for office.

Republican Governor Pete Wilson was the last politician in California to stand up for border integrity, and California is totally Democrat controlled now. I fought the battle of the reconquista with Pete, but we lost. WE LOST.

You have to present something practical that has a chance of working.

President Bush has wiggle room only because of 9/11 and he will use it as much as he can. He's got the Dept of Homeland Security now only because he convinced the Dems he didn't want it so they would demand it. AND he stated baldly he would VETO it if they didn't give him absolute authority to do what was in national security interest as far as personnel went.

Now comes the fun (though still ticklish) part, beefing up the Border Patrol in a way that the Dems won't dare gripe at. And getting illegals registered in a guest workers program so we can track them and make sure they go back after a couple years. Meanwhile, we beef up accountability in education is our way of making sure the children born here (and thus American citizens) to illegals get a great education and thus can break out of the Democrat victim class and become real Americans in spirit, not just birth, what I call Operation Pied Piper.

Whatever Garza SAYS, what you all should do is WATCH what Bush does on these ways of flanking the illegals.

And go ahead and gripe. I've decided you all are right and we can't let the media think that all the American voters are acquiescing in this violation of our national integrity and security.

430 posted on 11/23/2002 9:21:24 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
Republican Governor Pete Wilson was the last politician in California to stand up for border integrity, and California is totally Democrat controlled now. I fought the battle of the reconquista with Pete, but we lost. WE LOST.

In large part because we were stabbed in the back by turncoats on the issue who gave aid and comfort to the likes of the Democrats and the L.A. Times... folks like Jack Kemp, Bill Bennet, the RNC, and a Tejas freshman gubernatorial candidate who shall remain manelss.




433 posted on 11/23/2002 9:26:55 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: patriciaruth
It shouldn't be about politics, this is about closing our borders to ALL illegals, since these open borders are now the best (if not only) way for terrorists to get in.

The INS is in such disarray, they will (hopefully) be monitored as to who gets in legally, so this may help to stop terrorists. While we're at it, lets close the borders for awhile, and send anyone found to be illegal back where they came from.

IMO, it is a matter of survival, whether economically or security. What good is it for the Repubs to be in charge if they're still going to cater to the Dems? If this continues, that is, if amnesty is granted or borders left open, it won't be the Dems doing the shouting against Bush, it will be his own party. I was a staunch Bush supporter for a long time, but I'm beginning to have second thoughts.

434 posted on 11/23/2002 9:46:11 PM PST by katze
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To: patriciaruth
Thanks for the post. Pretty heady stuff.
436 posted on 11/23/2002 9:56:28 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: patriciaruth
You have no idea how badly I want to believe your analysis. If a President, or any politicans use events to accomplish their agendas then 9-11 was a missed opportunity to deport illegals. Not counting other nationalities here illegally in the USofA, Mexicans alone constitute 8 million illegals, and they admit the number may be more like 12 million.

I would be willing to bet my pet that the total number of illegals in the USofA is more around 30 million or more, and the only political party they have helped is the Democrats and not enough to make it worth all this invasion.

All I see happening is the President, and politicians trying to make the illegal legal, not beefing up security on the border, the flood has not abated one little bit, trying to get "earned legalization" passed, and passing legislation that is in clear violation of the 1st and 4th amendments that makes every law abiding citizen a suspect, guilty before proven innocent.

I don't care what their lawyer twisting interpretation of the 4th is, it says what it plainly says and that is that. It really doesn't matter what they say it says anyway, it only matters what sovereign citizens interpret it to mean and have for years, look up common law, we have all "in common" believed our interpretation of it, no lawyer or politician, or activist court has any business messing with it.

They don't need to pass legislation, they need to enforce and beef up what is on the books, all this other stuff is superfluous fluff designed to make it look like they are doing something when all they are doing is violating everyones inalienable rights and putting in motion a ball of unintended consequences that has the potential to roll down hill on the innocent and the guilty. It's getting hard to believe that it isn't intentional.

Fine the heck out of employers of illegals, round them up on the street corners they hang out on and ship them out of here. Then void the citizenship of baby anchors and ship them out. Stop all immigration and visas until they get control of this out of control situation. Do we really need to tell the graduates of some of our top universities how to solve a problem? We have a national emergency here.

440 posted on 11/23/2002 10:34:55 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: patriciaruth
Meanwhile, we beef up accountability in education is our way of making sure the children born here (and thus American citizens

This is another issue. I don't think they should be automatically made U.S. citizens unless one of their parents is laready an American.

The rest of your analysis is pretty heady stuff. One false move on Bush's part brings the whole game to an end. And, we lose. Plus, what about the law of unintended consequnces? Happens all the time whe bureaucrats get involved. Who knows what these knee-jerk reactions to problems pose to our progeny.

447 posted on 11/24/2002 3:56:04 AM PST by raybbr
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To: patriciaruth
"You have to present something practical that has a chance of working."...How do you get tough about illegal immigration...when any effort to be tough leads to your immediate political demise?"

The something practical is to join the various groups of citizens arrayed along the border to help in the effort to stop illegals. This is as tough as it gets, unless we want to start shooting them on sight.

As far as one's political demise: You have to choose sides in this. You can't deal with a problem that has no political solution, with politics. This situation is a great deal more important to the country than the next several elections. The law is clear, and Americans have the right to protect their property.(And I don't mean only that property along the border. Helping those at the border helps me in the city.)

The point is for you to screw up the courage to go and stand an armed watch on the border with other right thinking and patriotic Americans. To hell with the media, and to hell with politicians who won't protect us.

456 posted on 11/24/2002 6:53:03 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: patriciaruth
Yes, they have crossed the threshold and how many have come since President Bush has been in office. We had the need , the opportunity and the will of the people to do something about this post 9/11. He blew it. His stand was apparent when he immediately invited Fox to the WH and allowed him to speak to our Congress and make demands for those same illegals. He has not wavered. And Garza's message is the same as Pres. Bush has put forth since taking office.

[You all can scream all you want, but you are not running for office.]

I will grant you that. So we are supposed to feel sorry for President Bush because he needs to make some tough decisions. You don't think we shouldn't expect President Bush to take a stand on what is the most important problem facing American today. Now he shouldn't touch that because it might be the demise of his career - yet it is fine with many people that he is sending American men and women into harm's way and putting their very lives in danger (not just a political career) to protect this country? You see I expect nothing less from a President than he asks of the citizens. NO I won't cry a river if he and every Republican is put out of office - but I will cry for those men and women that are going to war and those citizens who have lost their jobs, and their homes, and the changing of American forever because of illegal immigration. I just have different priorites, I suppose.

I will never call them 'guest' workers. That is an euphemism that is ridiculous. They are not guests, we are not responsible for their comfort when they come here. They are temporary workers - call them that and get the touchy feely aspect out of it.

[Meanwhile, we beef up accountability in education is our way of making sure the children born here (and thus American citizens) to illegals get a great education and thus can break out of the Democrat victim class and become real Americans in spirit, not just birth, what I call Operation Pied Piper.}

That sounds so good. It sounds very like what somone else posted here about the Islamic. We should educate them and then they will love us. Actually, it sounds very much like Powell's speech to the Islamic leaders. When did we become responsible for educating the world. As a matter of fact, it sounds much like the democrats 'It's for the children'.

All this at a time when the education of American children is woefully lacking, and we can't make it better when we are constantly adding people with needs for special education who are not paying their way.

Please don't anyone suggest vouchers will do the job as they have only been touted for 'poor and minority students or students in a failing school' believe me that is not the average taxpayer's child. And for that matter, where in our education system today are they going to be educated 'out of their victim class'. It won't be the public school system. It does just the opposite.

I will suggest the ones being "Piped" here are the American people.

Now we are going to register them as our 'guests' and see they go home after 2 years? We can't even find the ones who have committed crimes and been ordered deported and we are going to be able to register these and make them go home after a couple of years? It took over a year to find the airport workers working under false papers. Mind-boggling!!

Unless we get tough on this and face the tough truths - truth is often very hard to face - nothing will happen. You don't make deals with our laws. When you subvert the law for expediency, for political gain, or for economcy gain -we no longer have laws - just suggestions.

462 posted on 11/24/2002 8:47:24 AM PST by nanny
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