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To: patriciaruth
You have no idea how badly I want to believe your analysis. If a President, or any politicans use events to accomplish their agendas then 9-11 was a missed opportunity to deport illegals. Not counting other nationalities here illegally in the USofA, Mexicans alone constitute 8 million illegals, and they admit the number may be more like 12 million.

I would be willing to bet my pet that the total number of illegals in the USofA is more around 30 million or more, and the only political party they have helped is the Democrats and not enough to make it worth all this invasion.

All I see happening is the President, and politicians trying to make the illegal legal, not beefing up security on the border, the flood has not abated one little bit, trying to get "earned legalization" passed, and passing legislation that is in clear violation of the 1st and 4th amendments that makes every law abiding citizen a suspect, guilty before proven innocent.

I don't care what their lawyer twisting interpretation of the 4th is, it says what it plainly says and that is that. It really doesn't matter what they say it says anyway, it only matters what sovereign citizens interpret it to mean and have for years, look up common law, we have all "in common" believed our interpretation of it, no lawyer or politician, or activist court has any business messing with it.

They don't need to pass legislation, they need to enforce and beef up what is on the books, all this other stuff is superfluous fluff designed to make it look like they are doing something when all they are doing is violating everyones inalienable rights and putting in motion a ball of unintended consequences that has the potential to roll down hill on the innocent and the guilty. It's getting hard to believe that it isn't intentional.

Fine the heck out of employers of illegals, round them up on the street corners they hang out on and ship them out of here. Then void the citizenship of baby anchors and ship them out. Stop all immigration and visas until they get control of this out of control situation. Do we really need to tell the graduates of some of our top universities how to solve a problem? We have a national emergency here.

440 posted on 11/23/2002 10:34:55 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
they need to enforce ...what is on the books

And as the Malvo case shows, no one is willing to do that at the INS now, which is why the President has to change its culture by taking the INS out of the decision making process. The Border Patrol should have the say on who gets deported immediately upon apprehension.

And this has been going on for decades. President Bush walked into the mess AFTER it had tipped over the treshold.

When I was a Vista Volunteer in the late sixties I worked with Hispanics who were leaving the migrant worker stream in MILWAUKEE.

As a Christian, I have no animus toward any of my brothers and sisters in Christ. But this country is a life raft, and it can hold only so many refugees before the fabric that keeps it afloat gets punctured and we all sink.

The Hispanic illegals are only part of the illegal population, which includes lots of Asians and Anglos from Canada, Ireland, etc.

I think I'd win your pet if I bet you on the number, but it might not be by a great deal.

The real question is, what are we doing about it? Those of us in California who tried to do something got creamed. I'd like to figure out some kind of practical action group that could maybe do something more than gripe and support people for office like Buchanan or Tancredo who haven't a snowball's chance of ever holding power.

Maybe we could start to drop information and well reasoned opinions into letters to the editor or call in shows and our Congresspeople or whatever. Not just jump up and down and scream, but be calm and concerned about our security as we unload statistics and information, AND realistic solutions that don't sound hateful.

441 posted on 11/23/2002 11:40:32 PM PST by patriciaruth
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