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Bush to push for amnesty
Washington Times ^ | Saturday, November 23, 2002 | By Jerry Seper

Posted on 11/22/2002 10:47:08 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:59:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Bush administration wants to grant amnesty to hundreds of thousands of Mexican illegal aliens now in the United States, according to the new U.S. ambassador to Mexico.

Tony Garza, sworn in this week at the White House, told reporters in Mexico City that reaching an accord legalizing the status of Mexican immigrants

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To: Dog Gone
[Child labor laws vary by state. In California, where I grew up, you couldn't get any meaningful job until you were 16, and even then it required a work permit. Even so, it's kind of silly to expect commercial farms to employ young kids after school to do the manual labor for three hours or so. ]

No one has answered the question - Who was doing this before these people arrived on our shores? If no one was doing it, then how did farmers stay in business - no that just doesn't work.

But I will tell you how I personally will handle the situation if they are given amnesty - and I am satisfied they will,e ven if 99.9% of the American people wanted it otherwise.

I intend to sell my much taxed home, find me some land in a state with few illegals so I can pay the taxes. Manage my income so it will be as tax free as possible. RAise my own food and food for my grandchildren and let the rest of you who love these illegals continue to pay for them, until you go under.

241 posted on 11/23/2002 12:06:36 PM PST by nanny
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To: Dog Gone
I guess when you were that age, child labor laws hadn't been passed yet.

Are you so young you don't remember when the paperboys were 10 to 14? And they could get paid a dollar or two to rake your yard? Or a whole $3 to mow your yard?

242 posted on 11/23/2002 12:11:23 PM PST by carenot
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To: Drill Alaska
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243 posted on 11/23/2002 12:12:09 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: carenot
Yes, but my point is that kids that age are not full-time workers doing backbreaking work.
244 posted on 11/23/2002 12:12:47 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Wake up. We can't turn the clock back to 1950. The fact is that we don't have the Americans to fill those jobs anymore. Just where do you plan to hire people to pick strawberries, for example? Out of our high schools? ARE YOU KIDDING?

Are YOU kidding!? Most high school graduates, nowadays (the products of our welfare schools), barely qualify to go pick strawberries.

When I was in High School, less than 20 years ago, in the MidWest there were waiting lists during the Summer to go de-tassle corn for pittance of pay. Most who did the work were white suburbanites looking for a way to earn an honest dollar or two. They had more people wanting to do the work than they had work to do.

You can't tell me that in less than 20 years the entire non-illegal workforce has disappeared or has become completely unwilling to do this kind of work.

245 posted on 11/23/2002 12:14:23 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Dog Gone
Even so, it's kind of silly to expect commercial farms to employ young kids after school to do the manual labor for three hours or so.

We do have some Mexicans in NY State doing this work now, primarily in Western NY. But what a lot of these farms do is grow the crop, and then open the fields up to customers who come and pick what they want themselves, especially with the berries. For local produce making the stores, seasonal labor within the area is recruited for the jobs.

What is silly is the idea we have to import nearly the entire country of Mexico to do this for us.

246 posted on 11/23/2002 12:17:52 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Dog Gone; Joe Hadenuff
....either you are being dishonest or you can't read.

It's even worse, I'm dishonest and I can't read. I'm learning a lot from you today, it all started with the strawberries and went up hill from there.

Here's what I've learned. We should encourage lawlessness, suck from our socialistic services (which are sucikng the life out of everything already anyway), ruin our schools faster than they're being ruined now, pay stratospheric property and other taxes, burden a healthcare system that's slowly becoming unsupportable, make the WOT a joke from a national security perspective, pack our jails and put up with Americans being victimized and even killed.

All so we can have people to pick things and clean toilets.

Excuse me while I go work on my honesty and reading skills.

248 posted on 11/23/2002 12:22:27 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: nanny
On Dec. 13, 1979, Carter administration Agriculture Secretary Bob Bergland announced, "I will not put federal money into any project that results in saving of farm labor." At the same time, he backed a lawsuit by California Rural Legal Assistance against the University of California to prevent it from using any tax money to develop harvest mechanization technologies.

But the case of fruit and vegetable farming calls for a transitional federal partnership with private industry -- the government fostered farmers' dependence on alien labor, through past guest worker programs, amnesties, and lack of immigration enforcement, so it is Washington's responsibility to help farmers extricate themselves from the fallout of federal folly.

The solution then is to include in the next Department of Agriculture appropriations bill funding geared toward a revived effort at mechanization of fruit and vegetable harvesting. Such a program would have several components:

• Research and development of labor-saving machines and robotic harvesting -- European producers are far ahead of us in developing cutting-edge robotic technologies for agriculture, precisely because they don't have the same mass access to cheap labor. There are huge gains to be made in citrus, lettuce, apples, and other crops.

• Research and development of "labor-aids" -- technologies which don't reduce the need for workers but which make the work easier to perform. This would address widespread concerns about occupational injuries among farmworkers and allay the fears of those who contend that mechanization would be bad for farmworkers. But it also would help farmers, by effectively increasing the number of potential workers, since more people would be capable of performing the work.

249 posted on 11/23/2002 12:23:48 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: Sabertooth; rintense
Try these:

Fox seeks new focus from Bush on immigration at APEC

Mexico's Fox: Immigration Reform or he might oppose U.S. resolution on Iraq!

U.S. expects progress with Mexico on immigration next year

250 posted on 11/23/2002 12:28:13 PM PST by madfly
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To: Dog Gone
"If the problem is that their wages aren't being taxed enough..."

The problem is that they are here at all driving American wages down and crashing our social services.

I was just correcting a couple of misconceptions you may have been laboring under.

251 posted on 11/23/2002 12:31:56 PM PST by 4Freedom
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To: MissAmericanPie
Good post and I agree. I began to get nervous during Bush's campaign when he announced that "the border did not end at the Rio Grande", and that they were just coming over here so that they could "feed their families". My fear was justified.
252 posted on 11/23/2002 12:35:16 PM PST by Jennikins
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To: Drill Alaska
Yes, that line jumped out at me also. IF he is presidente of the Mexicans living here and they get there matricular ids here via Mexico, I guess there's no sense in expecting that these millions of people are given copies of our US Constitution let alone the Constituion of the States they are residing in. They have no alegience to the United States and non is expected of them.
253 posted on 11/23/2002 12:35:53 PM PST by madfly
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To: Spiff
You can't tell me that in less than 20 years the entire non-illegal workforce has disappeared or has become completely unwilling to do this kind of work.

The key would be identifying the jobs where imported Mexican labor is needed. Where it's needed, we should permit it, but completely regulate it. Where they are not needed, they should be forbidden, using a enforcement mechanism that works.

Some here maintain that Mexican laborers are not needed at all. The facts indicate otherwise, because employers wouldn't be hiring them if they weren't needed.

254 posted on 11/23/2002 12:37:50 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
"Just where do you plan to hire people to pick strawberries..."

Let our farmers plant crops that can be harvested by machines. Some clever inventer will probably invent a strawberry, apple or lettuce picking machine. If not, so what.

I don't care, if I never eat another leaf of lettuce, apple or strawberry grown in the USA, again. I just want my country back.

255 posted on 11/23/2002 12:39:19 PM PST by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
The problem is that they are here at all driving American wages down and crashing our social services.

If Mexicans who can't even speak English are driving down your wages, you probably didn't finish high school. I want someone here at FR to tell us how they were beat out of a job by an illegal alien. Can anyone here do it, or is this just a fake argument?

As far as the social services, we must get those under control. Getting the Mexicans out of this country who are not in needed jobs would help immensely. Structuring an arrangement where the legal ones pay taxes (instead of being paid in cash under the table) would be another. That has to be addressed by a whole series of actions.

256 posted on 11/23/2002 12:43:44 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Victoria Delsoul
"GW is only trying to find the solution to the problem."

GW is trying to shove Vicente Fox's solution down our throats. He won't even consider the solution that the majority of American citizens want.

257 posted on 11/23/2002 12:47:11 PM PST by 4Freedom
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To: sarcasm
THis sounds like plan.

It will not work as long as we have the 'work no one else will do' 'Oh, who will pick the lettuce' and taxpayer subsidized workers.

258 posted on 11/23/2002 12:47:54 PM PST by nanny
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To: Dog Gone
Some here maintain that Mexican laborers are not needed at all. The facts indicate otherwise, because employers wouldn't be hiring them if they weren't needed.

Law-breaking, dishonest employers are hiring them, not because they are needed, but because they want to cut their costs and inflate profits. They are worse than the butcher who puts his thumb on the scale, the auto mechanic who re-uses parts but sells them at new price, the manufacturer of parts for airplanes who knowingly sells defective parts, the gas station that sets the pumps to under-pump a few ounces per gallon, etc. It is all about greed and dishonesty and the rest of us are paying for it!

259 posted on 11/23/2002 12:51:23 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The American lifeboat is sinking.

You are right! Where are we going to go now that more and more are coming from all over the world, not only Mexico. We will have to leave the sinking ship, but there will be no place for us to go to. We will not have our home country anymore.

260 posted on 11/23/2002 12:51:59 PM PST by Jennikins
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