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A Whiner, A Winner, and A Spinner. Rush on CNN
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Posted on 11/22/2002 9:21:44 PM PST by Mensch

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:01:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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The Whiner, Daschle. Just pathetic

The Winner, El Rushbo.

The Spinner, Kurtz. How doth Howie spin? Let me count the ways...

1) It would have been one thing, if he said Rush Limbaugh is unfair, he's inaccurate, he's a blow-hard, he's impugning my integrity by criticizing stance on the war on terrorism.

Thinly disguised petty gratuitous cheapshot.

2)And did build Limbaugh up to an even greater extent in the eyes of his many conservative followers.

Translation: But doesn't for a second fool us urbane sophisticated liberals

3)Not in a way, to my ear at least that much different than you hear on the cable shout shows every night.

Translation: Because again, I am a liberal urbane sophisticate who only watches this low brow fare because it's my job.

4)Limbaugh loves this. He's reveling in it, because it does put the spotlight on him. He just a guy with a microphone, but it makes him seem like real serious player almost on the level of Senator Daschle.

Truely crude. Denigrates the former while elevating the latter.

5)I don't agree with a lot of what Rush Limbaugh says, including the notion that the mainstream media has been catering to Democrats for 40 years.

Democrats are frustrated because talk radio, mostly conservative, and conservative editorial pages like the "Wall Street Journal," Fox News and others that are seen as part of the conservative media. They have been pretty effective at getting a message out, and I think the Democrats don't have nothing comparable.

Translation: I'm tired of pussyfooting around, and I'm just gonna come out and lie my feeble cards on the table.

1 posted on 11/22/2002 9:21:44 PM PST by Mensch
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To: Mensch
I don't agree with a lot of what Rush Limbaugh says, including the notion that the mainstream media has been catering to Democrats for 40 years. In fact there's been a lot of criticism from liberal columnist about the Democrats in the most recent election.

Of course there has been a lot of criticism coming from liberal columnists about the Democrats in the most recent election. The Democrats lost.

2 posted on 11/22/2002 9:29:12 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Mensch
Dashle's just got his panties in a twist. That's all.
3 posted on 11/22/2002 9:29:14 PM PST by Samwise
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To: Mensch
Tom daschle should get an "Academy Award" for that performance. I could almost see the strings Terry McAuliffe were using to manipulate his Puppet in the Senate
4 posted on 11/22/2002 9:30:53 PM PST by MJY1288
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To: Mensch
I think this is all a big set-up for a talk show by none other than "slick willie".There has been media spin that he may be considering a talk show---perfect timing,and reason to lash out at the evil conservatives that are threatening the liberal way of life.

Think about it.The media is all reporting that there is no liberal voice on radio.How better to fix it than have the liar in chief have his own show.----And the conservatives started it!(SARCASM)
5 posted on 11/22/2002 9:36:15 PM PST by sissyjane
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To: Mensch
They have been pretty effective at getting a message out, and I think the Democrats don't have nothing comparable.

I must have read something like this ten times already since the election. The fact remains is the dems did get their message out for the last forty years and their problem is they continue to want more.

More taxes.
More gun control.
More control over your children's education.
More welfare and governmental handouts.

6 posted on 11/22/2002 9:40:12 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Mensch
Is Rush bigger than CNN yet?...lol
7 posted on 11/22/2002 9:41:25 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Samwise
Actually, what Rush noted is important. This is part of a strategy from the despotic democrats. They are 'triangulating' big time! Note please that the bill to ban partial birth abortions is about to hit the airways and the democrat defense of the indefensible is about to get outed, big time. The democrats want to turn as many people off as possible between now and the time the debates start to air exposing the bankrupt position the democrats have been defending for many years now. I use the term 'dissociative manipulation' but strategery will do just as well ... the democrats are manipulating the electorate that is paying attention, trying to turn as many into deaf ears as quickly as possible.
8 posted on 11/22/2002 9:42:56 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: MJY1288
Tom Daschle should get an "Academy Award" for that performance.

Daschle is an expert at acting offended. He's also pretty good at pretending, for about 8 hours in each day, that he isn't a stumblebum who keeps tripping over his own feet. His main problem is that he can't keep up the image more than eight hours.

9 posted on 11/22/2002 9:47:53 PM PST by syriacus
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Why did clinton Blame Rush for the Oklahoma bombing?

Lots of people just might have said that Clinton's Department of Justice and FBI should have been on top of it. If the Oklahoma debate was about the question of did or did not Rush cause it, no one was blaming the Clinton administration for not preventing the Oklahoma bombing.

Daschle just lost on a lot of issues. The unions pay his parties bills. And Daschle leading the same senators who had controlled the senate for 2 years lost for the public employees union the control of the giant new Homeland Security Department. Daschle was not able to deliver a closed union shop for his party. The public employees union was and is mad. Plus the house Republicans had tacked on 7 other bills that they wanted, and the democrats were opposed to. All of that got passed and DAschle could not stop it. The people who pick up the tabs for the Democratic party (the unions) were ticked and beginning to talk to the media. On top of that the leftist organizations like the "People for the American Way" just paid a ton of money to keep conservative judges from being confirmed. In the last hours of congress the 2 nominees that the left hated most were confirmed as appeals court justices. Bush got this done with the same senators that had been blocking things for 2 years. Clearly Daschle had lost control.

So to keep the media from covering the stories that lots of Democrats want Daschle gone, Daschle attacked Rush Limbaugh. That sends the media off to investigate if Rush Limbaugh is inciting people to try to kill Daschle.

Limbaugh's uses it to promote his show and for a week the heat is off the fact that Daschle was unable even with his old senators still in office to block Bush from getting what he wanted.

Bush could have waited until Talent was confirmed and Lott was in control of the senate. Then LOTT could have gotten Bush's stuff through the Senate. Daschle could not have helped it if a Republican senate passed Bush's stuff. But that is not what happened. Bush humiliated Tom Daschle.

Bush got his stuff passed with all the Democrats still in control. Daschle was still majority leader. Daschle lost control of his own senators. That is why Daschle attacked Limbaugh. It was to take the pubic eye off his failure to retain control.

It was exactly how Clinton had used Rush so people would not blame Bill Clinton for the Oklahoma bombing.

10 posted on 11/22/2002 9:56:13 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: Mensch
He just a guy with a microphone, but it makes him seem like real serious player almost on the level of Senator Daschle.

Only a hopeless liberal can say with a straight face that Limbaugh is "almost on the level of Senator daschle"--and believe it!

They haven't been able to master talk radio, not many liberals have been successful at it. So I see a lot of frustration.

WHY do you think that is, howie??? Huh?

11 posted on 11/22/2002 9:58:54 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: Mensch
But if they're portrayed as whining about people like Limbaugh, and Olie North, and Bill O'Reilly, and other Dennison's of talk radio, that doesn't help them politically.

Dennison's?

Do you think they meant denizens? More evidence of the benefit from your education taxes.

12 posted on 11/22/2002 10:00:11 PM PST by Mike K
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To: MHGinTN
I don't think they have sufficiently recovered from the elections to be plotting and triangulating too much. Yes, I agree they are still dangerous and, although they are cornered, they still have fangs. They will probably be more vicious now than ever. But I also think Dashle is losing it. He looks like an idiot and a loser--and he knows it. Common Tator has a good thread going. Check it out if you haven't already.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/793605/posts

Besides, I really like the expression "panties in a bunch," and I think it fits Daschle perfectly. :^)
13 posted on 11/22/2002 10:02:53 PM PST by Samwise
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HOWARD KURTZ: [Limbaugh's] reveling in it, because it does put the spotlight on him. He's just a guy with a microphone, but it makes him seem like real serious player almost on the level of Senator Daschle.

I disagree with this assessment by Kurtz.

After all, it's not difficult at all to see Rush as Daschle's equal.

Even Daschle has invited Rush into the championship ring, by challenging him to a fight.

Of course, there won't be an official winner, until Daschle cries "Uncle."

14 posted on 11/22/2002 10:03:34 PM PST by syriacus
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To: Mensch
I would guess that most of Rush's listeners are Christians, so Daschle was attacking Christians while attacking conservatives. Clinton did the same thing if you remember, this whole idea of extreme, right-wing, radical Christian fundamentalist nuts (you know the type, the kind that believe the murder of innocent, unborn children is wrong). And so Daschle was saying that Christians are like radical Muslim fundamentalists. Well at least he admits that there is such a thing as radical Muslim fundamentalists. But every Christian should be outraged that Daschle equates them with Muslim fundamentalist radicals.
15 posted on 11/22/2002 10:04:10 PM PST by Contra
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To: Mensch
"Democrats have nothing comparable" ...

What Democrats lack on their side is: The truth, common sense, and a consistent MESSAGE.

They still don't admit it. They are WRONG on the issues.
16 posted on 11/22/2002 10:07:57 PM PST by WOSG
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To: Mensch
I guess that I am just too old. This article wouldn't have made it by my 3rd grade nun. Does anyone use prepositions anymore?
17 posted on 11/22/2002 10:18:15 PM PST by Righty1
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To: Samwise
Bunched panties could account for the perpetual scowl on Li'l Tommy's face, don'tcha know!
18 posted on 11/22/2002 10:18:56 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Captainpaintball
"He just a guy with a microphone, but it makes him seem like real serious player almost on the level of Senator Daschle.."
HE'S JUST A GUY WITH 20 MILLION LISTENERS AND VIEWERS, UNLIKE DASCHEL DUMBSH*T, WHO BURIED THE PARTY.... HOWIE SHOULD BE WORRIED... AS ALL THE NETWORK OUTLETS ;)
I LOVE IT!!!
(DOESN'T IT AMAZE ALL OF YOU HOW THEY IGNORE THE STRENTH IN NUMBERS?)
19 posted on 11/22/2002 10:22:56 PM PST by Terridan
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To: Mensch
WOODRUFF: No question on some of these talk shows, Limbaugh included, there is tough talk. A lot of criticism of people in the political arena. And at as Tom Daschle said, I'm just going to read part of it, people want to act because they get emotional, he means after they listen to this. It's a throat those of us in public life and it goes up dramatic, and it's very disconcerting.

It's not any tougher talk, not even nearly emotional, as what the Dem-agogues do from the House and Senate floor! As Rush says, it's propaganda strategy No. 1, accuse your enemy of the very thing you're doing.

20 posted on 11/22/2002 10:25:00 PM PST by Choozer
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