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Don't know how energetic I'll be about posting here major points from DISCLOSURE. If there's enough interest, I might be persuaded. I did mark up several sections.

It is, however, worth reading in toto--at least it was to me. I'm mostly weary of UFO books because so much is so redundant if one has been reading them for 35 years. But recently--especially post Greer, some newer bits of the puzzle seem to have been surfacing. Certainly a LOT HIGHER quality of first hand sources have been going on record with their names and lives. And, a LOT more of them.

BTW, I'm typing this while STARGATE is on the SciFi channel. Been a while since I've seen it.

I don't think Greer has yet grasped as much as he thinks he has. And I don't believe all the information as straightforwardly as he seems to. I still believe that the ET's in cahoots with satan et al are feeding tons of greatly mixed lie/half-truth/truth toward duping the population of the globe toward the creation and support of the global government and the rule of the AntiChrist.

I don't believe as MANY of the races Greer believes are wholesome and kind through and through are, in fact, that way. He seems to think they are all wonderful except for a very small minority.

[Yea! Ra dies in a nuke explosion. Long live good and apple pie.]

I do believe that we are being set up to increase the arms workable for attacking UFOS's in a context where they are all construed as destructive--in a process centralizing world government and increasing the power and control of that government.

But there is an ace in the hole where the government is also construing them as wonderful helpers of the human race. So it can play all sides against the middle to it's own increase.

It also makes increasing sense to me that MJ12 or it's equal is divided between those who want disclosure and those who are terrified the populace will torture them to death for their botching the whole thing for so long. Greer suggests amnisty as the only way to get them to come out of the woodwork and implement real disclosure at the government level.

Of course, at least a significant number of ET races sound like they are ready to trigger global awareness whether the government(s) cooperate or not. Supposedly some are more than annoyed to be taking a supposedly bum rap by government teams doing things under the guise of being ET's when the ET's would not be doing that sort of thing--at least not so brutally, not exactly that sort of thing and not so callously etc. Who knows what the truth is in all of that.

BTW, it has been suggested/assumed that I have a ping list on this topic. I don't but am going to contact those who SEEM to be interested to see if they would like to be on such a list. If there are those I don't contact by FREEPMAIL about such--and you WOULD like on such a ping list, please let me know. I'm going through the messages now to glean likely suspects.

Anyway--I guess the above constitutes some of the points from Disclosure.

Blessings,

Will see how many excerpts I'm up to typing for you from DISCLOSURE etc.

Wellll, I still seem to have some gas . . . here's some excerpts MOST will be paraphrased (except where quotes are given) from DISCOVERY by Greer. It is 570 pages but I strongly recommend the book to anyone interested in the subject.

p. 38 less than 50 people control all the UFO information in the shadow gov/U.S. gov.

CNN reporter asked Gorbachev walking on the street with him and his wife ". . . 'do you think we should get rid of all our nuclear weapons?' And his wife stepped in and she said, no, I don't think we should get rid of all our nuclear weapons because of the alien spacecraft."
"Now CNN put this story on for the half hour, on CNN headline news; I heard this and I jumped up and put a blank tape in to record the next half-hour. Well, that story disappeared and you know who intercepted that. . . "

I (Q) have seen similar things squelched in a similar fashion on CNN, myself.

Dr Carol Rosin Dec 2000 [pp255+]
--"was the first woman corporate manager of Fairchild Industries. and [sic] was spokesperson for Werner Von Braun in the last years of his life . . ."

"She was also present at a meeting in the '70's when the scenario for the Gulf wWar of the '90's was planned."

" . . . Werner Von Braun was dying of cancer, he asked me to be his spokesperson, to appear on occasions when he was too ill to speak. I did this."

"What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that he said to me over and over again during the approximately four years that I had the opportunity to work with him. He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics...That was how we identify an enemy."

. . .
"Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third-world country "crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons."

"The next enemy was asteroids. . . ."

"And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. 'And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie.'"

. . .
"What he told me was that there is an accelerated effort in place. He didn't mention a timeline but he said that it was going to be speeding up faster than anybody could possibly imagine. That the effort to put weapons into space was not only based on a lie but would accelerate past the point of people even understanding it until it was already up there and too late."

. . .
"The last card that was being held was the extraterrestrial enemy card. The intensity with which he said that, made me realize that he knew something that he was too afraid to mention. He was too afraid to talk about it. He would not tell me the details.

. . .

". . .He mentioned that extraterrestrials were going to be identified as the final enemy against whom we were going to build space-based weapons back in 1974. The way he said it to me, there was no doubt in my mind that he knew something that he was too afraid to talk about."

. . .

"I have been tracking the space-based weapons issue for about 26 years. I have debated Generals and Congressional Representatives. I have testified before Congress and the Senate. I have met with people in over 100 countries. But I have not been able to identify who the people are who are making this space-based weapons system happen. I see the news. I see the administrative decisions being made. I know that they are all based on lies and greed."
"But I have yet to be able to identify who the people are. . . . I have a feeling that once we start studying this extraterrestrial issue, all of the questions are going to be answered that I have had for 26 years."
"But I have concluded that it is based on a few people making a lot of money and gaining power. It is about ego. It is not about our essence and who we really are on this planet and loving each other and being at peace and cooperating. It isn't about using technology to solve problems and heal people in the planet. It isn't about that. It is about a few people who really are playing an old, dangerous, costly game for their own pocketbooks and power struggle. That is all it is."

"In 1977 I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in a conference room called the War Room. In that room were a lot of charts on the walls with enemies, identified enemies. There were other more obscure names, names like Saddam Hussein and Khadafi. But we were talking then about terrorists, the potential terrorists. No one had ever talked about this before but this was the next stage after the Russians against whom we were going to build these space-based weapons. I stood up in this meeting and I said, 'Excuse me, why are we talking about these potential enemies against whom we are going to build space-based weapons if, in fact, we know that they are not the enemy at this time?'
"Well, they continued the conversation about how they were going to antagonize these enemies and that at some point, there was going to be a war in the Gulf, a Gulf War. Now this is 1977, 1977! And they were talking about creating a war in the Gulf Region when there was 25 billion dollars in the space-based weapons program that had yet to be identified. . . ."
. . .
SGreer: "Who was at this meeting?"

CR: "The room was filled with people in the revolving door game. There were people that I had seen once in a military uniform and other times in a gray suit and an industry outfit."

. . . [she resigned in that meeting when they refused to answer her questions and continued planning the Gulf War etc.]

"So when I hear that there is a possible threat of extraterrestrials--and I look at the history of thousands of years of possible ET visitations, and hear the disclosures of honest military-intelligence-industry people who have had experiences with UFO's, with crashes and landings, with live and dead bodies of extraterrestrial beings--I know it is a lie. And if I am ever told that these are enemies against whom we have to build space-based weapons systems, based on my own personal experience of having worked in the military industrial complex on weapons systems and military strategy, I am going to know it is a lie. It is a lie."
"Not only will I not believe it, but I am going to go out as loudly as I can and tell everyone to take a look. They [the Et's] have not taken us away yet [Q: YET!] We are still here after thousands of years of visits."

End of Carol Rosin part

Sgt Clifford Stone

pp 330+

"NASA says it is going to take another 1,400 years before we achieve what we call interstellar travel. I'm telling you by the end of this century we will be doing that. If we do nothing to grow spiritually--and this is a hard thing for me to state -- but if we do nothing to grow spiritually we will not achieve interstellar travel. They will stop us. What's worse they will make themselves known to an unsuspecting people on this planet."

To be continued in next post.
Lord willing and the creek don't rise, and/or other forces don't intervene.

DISCLOSURE excerpts continued.

If you have the slightest serious interest in this topic--PLEASE GET THE BOOK--these excerpts are far from the bulk of the book--virtually every page is attention grabbing--IT'S WELL WORTH THE PRICE and at least VERY ENTERTAINING. But I think it's import is far beyond entertaining. . . . Q

Master Sergeant Dan Morris, USAF Retired/NRO Operative Sept 2000
p357+
"Dan Morris is a retired Air Force career Master Sergeant who was involved in the extraterrestrial projects for many years. After leaving the Air Force, he was recruited into the super secret National Reconnaissance Organization, or NRO, during which time he worked specifically on extraterrestrial-connected operations. He had a cosmic top-secret clearance (38 levels above top secret) [Q--my brother had the same level clearance--Q] which he states, no U.S. president, to his knowledge, has ever held [Q--It's conceivable that Bush senior as head of CIA had a pretty high clearance--many of which require at least 15 years government service--Q]."

"In his testimony, he talks of assassinations committed by the NSA; he tells how our military deliberately caused the 1947 ET craft crashes near Roswell, and captured one of the ET's, which they kept at Los Alamos for 3 years until he died. He talks about the intelligence teams that were charged with intimidating, discrediting, and even eliminating witnesses to ET/UFO events. He talks about Germany's re-engineering of UFO's even prior to WWII. He talks about our current energy crisis--and the fact that we haven't needed fossil fuels since 1940s, when free energy technologies were developed--but have been kept from humanity. This is the real reason for the secrecy of the ET/UFO subject. 'What the people in power right now don't want us to know is that this free energy is available to everybody." . ..

"The National Security Agency--the killers work in that. . . . Secretary of Defense Forestall was the first real powerful, known person that was eliminated because he was going to release the information--and nobody has ever paid for that crime . . . Most people know that he was thrown out the window of a hospital--but he wasn't killed by being thrown out the window--but he never got up alive . . ."

"There are other people who have been eliminated for what they know. One was a friend of mine, Phil Snyder, who worked out here in New Mexico building the tunnels--the biggest one that he was involved with was the Dulce underground facility. He was an explosives expert, and when he blasted through this area, it wasn't ours--it was some other alien's place. So the natural--our response--is to shoot. So we did, and they shot, and he was hit with a radiation laser, and from that day on he had a scar from here clean up to here. When he started turning public and was speaking in public--released a lot of stuff on his personal computer to the public--they were going to get rid of him, and he knew it. He told me, the last time I saw him, he said, 'Man, I don't care, I'm in so much pain--if they get rid of me, it would be a blessing.' Well, they did get rid of him. . . . the coroner did change the records--that it was not suicide, but it never got changed officially."
"I know that Phil loved this country, and he thought these programs were bypassing our form of government. The way it was set up, there were too many black projects going on--and none were approved by our Congress."
"This whole project of bringing this out in the open will probably take other people, too. But myself--I'm 73 years old and I've had a good life and no regrets, and I've loved this country, and I've been a Christian all my life, since I was about 11 years old--so I believe God wants this known, and I believe the cosmos wants this known. And I believe that if we don't break the secrecy...We're doing our people a great harm, keeping it so secret, and if we don't break it, I believe somebody else will--somebody outside of this planet. I believe some of the people who have been with us the last fifty years will break the secret."

. . .

"Do you know why we stopped exploding nuclear weapons? We were ordered to do it by those ETs from Orion. Orion--they came down and they told us, 'Look, you can destroy yourselves, so we won't put up with that. If you do that--if you explode that planet--and you've got the capability now...' That's when we really got their attention, and they came down and they said, "Look, we won't let you destroy your planet, so we want you to stop all nuclear testing.' They had already stopped us from using weapons, and then they told us, 'No more nuclear testing.' Now Russia and the United States--we were firm believers, by then, that those people could do what they said."

"One time we shot down one, and we were catching hell for that. But, what do you think we did with all these nuclear weapons that we and Russia had? We put nuclear weapons out in space as a line of defense--and we were ready to blow them up if they started in."

. . .

"UFOs are both extraterrestrial and man made. The guys that were doing the UFOs--they weren't sleeping--and Townsend Brown was one of our guys who was almost up with the Germans. So we had a problem--we had to keep Townsend Brown--what he was doing on [the] anti-gravity, electromagnetic propulsion secret. Even back in Tesla's time, we had free energy that we could transfer. All you had to do was just put up an antenna, and put a stake in the ground, and you could light this house and have all the energy you needed. But what do we run on? For the last century, we've run on petroleum. Who's in control of the petroleum in the world? A lot of people think that Iraq, Iran and so on, are. They aren't. We control it--us and the British interests. Well, some people refer to this as the secret government: a group of the richest men in the world control petroleum. You don't need cars unless you have an internal combustion engine. Well, if you have one of these units that's about sixteen inches long and about eight inches high and about ten inches wide, then you don't need to plug into the local electric company. These devices burn nothing--no pollution; it never wears out, because there are no moving parts--what moves are electrons in the gravity field; in the electronic field; and they turn in opposite directions, okay? You put one in a car--the car would rust and fall down around it before it would ever wear out. So, what's that going to do to the world economy that runs on petroleum?"

Testimony of Mr Don Phillips, Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF and CIA Contractor Dec 2000

" . . . He states that in the 1950s and 1960s NATO did research into the origin of ET races, and disseminated reports to the leaders of various countries. Mr. Phillips further states that there are records and filmed documentation of meetings in California in 1954 between Ets and leaders of the USA. He lists a few of the technologies we were able to develop because of the ETs: computer chips, lasers, night vision, bulletproof vests, and concludes, 'Are these ET people hostile? Well, if they were hostile, with their weaponry they could have destroyed us a long time ago--or could have done some damage.' Mr Phillips now develops technologies that can help eliminate environmental pollutants and reduce the need for fossil fuels: energy generation systems that use natural energies from planet earth."

"We have records from 1954 that were meetings between our own leaders of this country and ET's here in California. And, as I understand it from the written documentation, we were asked if we would allow them to be here and do research. I have read that our reply was, well, how can we stop you? You are so advanced. And I will say by this camera and this sound, that it was President Eisenhower that had this meeting. And it was on film, sort of like what we are doing now. Bringing it up to date, the NATO report gave that there were 12 races. To make a final summary, they had to have contacts to go to these races in order to understand who they are, what they are doing, and what they will do. And the report didn't get into the context, but it certainly did verify that they haven't been here for just a few years, but rather hundreds, maybe thousands of years. And this is written in the text."

"We also got these things that are handheld scanners, that we scan the body, and determine what the condition is. We can also treat from the same scanner. ARe these things real? Well, I can tell you, personally, that we've been working on them. And, we have ones that can cure cancer. Yes, diagnose and cure."

Q: Tired again. Maybe more later.