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Will see how many excerpts I'm up to typing for you from DISCLOSURE etc.

Wellll, I still seem to have some gas . . . here's some excerpts MOST will be paraphrased (except where quotes are given) from DISCOVERY by Greer. It is 570 pages but I strongly recommend the book to anyone interested in the subject.

p. 38 less than 50 people control all the UFO information in the shadow gov/U.S. gov.

CNN reporter asked Gorbachev walking on the street with him and his wife ". . . 'do you think we should get rid of all our nuclear weapons?' And his wife stepped in and she said, no, I don't think we should get rid of all our nuclear weapons because of the alien spacecraft."
"Now CNN put this story on for the half hour, on CNN headline news; I heard this and I jumped up and put a blank tape in to record the next half-hour. Well, that story disappeared and you know who intercepted that. . . "

I (Q) have seen similar things squelched in a similar fashion on CNN, myself.

Dr Carol Rosin Dec 2000 [pp255+]
--"was the first woman corporate manager of Fairchild Industries. and [sic] was spokesperson for Werner Von Braun in the last years of his life . . ."

"She was also present at a meeting in the '70's when the scenario for the Gulf wWar of the '90's was planned."

" . . . Werner Von Braun was dying of cancer, he asked me to be his spokesperson, to appear on occasions when he was too ill to speak. I did this."

"What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that he said to me over and over again during the approximately four years that I had the opportunity to work with him. He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics...That was how we identify an enemy."

. . .
"Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third-world country "crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons."

"The next enemy was asteroids. . . ."

"And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. 'And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie.'"

. . .
"What he told me was that there is an accelerated effort in place. He didn't mention a timeline but he said that it was going to be speeding up faster than anybody could possibly imagine. That the effort to put weapons into space was not only based on a lie but would accelerate past the point of people even understanding it until it was already up there and too late."

. . .
"The last card that was being held was the extraterrestrial enemy card. The intensity with which he said that, made me realize that he knew something that he was too afraid to mention. He was too afraid to talk about it. He would not tell me the details.

. . .

". . .He mentioned that extraterrestrials were going to be identified as the final enemy against whom we were going to build space-based weapons back in 1974. The way he said it to me, there was no doubt in my mind that he knew something that he was too afraid to talk about."

. . .

"I have been tracking the space-based weapons issue for about 26 years. I have debated Generals and Congressional Representatives. I have testified before Congress and the Senate. I have met with people in over 100 countries. But I have not been able to identify who the people are who are making this space-based weapons system happen. I see the news. I see the administrative decisions being made. I know that they are all based on lies and greed."
"But I have yet to be able to identify who the people are. . . . I have a feeling that once we start studying this extraterrestrial issue, all of the questions are going to be answered that I have had for 26 years."
"But I have concluded that it is based on a few people making a lot of money and gaining power. It is about ego. It is not about our essence and who we really are on this planet and loving each other and being at peace and cooperating. It isn't about using technology to solve problems and heal people in the planet. It isn't about that. It is about a few people who really are playing an old, dangerous, costly game for their own pocketbooks and power struggle. That is all it is."

"In 1977 I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in a conference room called the War Room. In that room were a lot of charts on the walls with enemies, identified enemies. There were other more obscure names, names like Saddam Hussein and Khadafi. But we were talking then about terrorists, the potential terrorists. No one had ever talked about this before but this was the next stage after the Russians against whom we were going to build these space-based weapons. I stood up in this meeting and I said, 'Excuse me, why are we talking about these potential enemies against whom we are going to build space-based weapons if, in fact, we know that they are not the enemy at this time?'
"Well, they continued the conversation about how they were going to antagonize these enemies and that at some point, there was going to be a war in the Gulf, a Gulf War. Now this is 1977, 1977! And they were talking about creating a war in the Gulf Region when there was 25 billion dollars in the space-based weapons program that had yet to be identified. . . ."
. . .
SGreer: "Who was at this meeting?"

CR: "The room was filled with people in the revolving door game. There were people that I had seen once in a military uniform and other times in a gray suit and an industry outfit."

. . . [she resigned in that meeting when they refused to answer her questions and continued planning the Gulf War etc.]

"So when I hear that there is a possible threat of extraterrestrials--and I look at the history of thousands of years of possible ET visitations, and hear the disclosures of honest military-intelligence-industry people who have had experiences with UFO's, with crashes and landings, with live and dead bodies of extraterrestrial beings--I know it is a lie. And if I am ever told that these are enemies against whom we have to build space-based weapons systems, based on my own personal experience of having worked in the military industrial complex on weapons systems and military strategy, I am going to know it is a lie. It is a lie."
"Not only will I not believe it, but I am going to go out as loudly as I can and tell everyone to take a look. They [the Et's] have not taken us away yet [Q: YET!] We are still here after thousands of years of visits."

End of Carol Rosin part

Sgt Clifford Stone

pp 330+

"NASA says it is going to take another 1,400 years before we achieve what we call interstellar travel. I'm telling you by the end of this century we will be doing that. If we do nothing to grow spiritually--and this is a hard thing for me to state -- but if we do nothing to grow spiritually we will not achieve interstellar travel. They will stop us. What's worse they will make themselves known to an unsuspecting people on this planet."

To be continued in next post.
Lord willing and the creek don't rise, and/or other forces don't intervene.

Sgt Clifford Stone continued from DISCLOSURE BY DR GREER "prepublication" version

pp331+

"I do not believe that any government has the right to try to make individuals wo merely see UFO's look crazy. I do not believe that any government has a right knowing that the psychology of specific individuals may ultimately lead to a tremendous amount of mental depression, ultimately, leading in many, many cases to suicide or self destruction . . . "

"And this is not a scary story. You will learn that the ET's have a perception of God. You find they have families. You find they have cultures. You find that they have likes and dislikes. You look for those things that are similar among us, not the differences. . . ."

"WEll, back to my own story, we had just finished the training that I took to be an NBC NCO. And a friend of mine brought me back to Fort Lee, Virginia. He was going to Fort Meade, Maryland and says, come on, I'll give you a ride to your base. And we discussed UFO's on the way to Fort Lee."
"Several weeks after I got back to Fort Lee, I got a call from this person and I was going to visit him at Ft. Meade. When I got to Fort Meade where he was supposed to be, they said, well, he is going to be tied up we'll talk to you later about his situation as soon as he gets free. This person says, by the way, have you ever been to the Pentegon? Well, at that time I had never been at the Pentagon. So they said, well, it is really a unique place. Why don't we go ahead and give you the twenty-five cent tour. So we went on over. We went in. I had a little badge that was given to me, no picture on it. But the guy that was with me, his had a picture and he'd just tell the guards he is authorized to come with me. And he'd always be the one to get me in. Finally we got to a place that has an elevator. We went down on it-I don't know how far down we went. I can't tell you if there is one flight under the Pentagon, two or fifty. But we went down. When we get out there, there are two monorails there. I mean, there are monorails under the Pentagon. They look like big tubes, rather thick in the center, one on each side. So you had these little monorails with cars that look like a bullet, where you could seat two people in front and two people in back. We got on the one monorail and started to go, it seemed like maybe 20 minutes, but I'm guessing at that because I don't know for sure."
"When we got out, he says, well, let me show you some interesting sites down this corridor here. So we are going down the corridor and it looked like there was a door at the far end of that corridor. As we got closer and closer to that door, my guide turned to me and stated, you know, things aren't always as they seem to be. . . . He says it is just like the walls here--they don't all seem like walls. And I said, what do you mean they are not walls? I said, what are you talking about? I thought, you know, he was trying to make a joke. At that time he says, no, it is like the wall behind you. I look and it looks like a wall to me. There are no seams or anything I can see. Then he pushes me. I try to grab myself but there is actually a door that opened."
"Well, when you go through the door there is like a field table there. And behind the field table you had this little entity. The entity was a little bigger than the 3, 3 1/2 foot tall entities that are a lot of times reported. But there were two men on either side of the table slightly behind the creature. When I turned around, I looked right into the eyes of this little creature. And you know, it's like you are seeing it but everything is being pulled from your mind-he was reading my whole life. It is hard to describe what I really felt there-your life up to that point goes by in seconds. And I mean you were feeling everything."
"I remember going down and grabbing a hold of my head like this and falling to the floor. The next thing I remember I wake up and I am back in my friend's office [back at Fort Meade[. And when I'm back in Jack's office they told me nothing happened that I had been there the whole day. But I knew better."

. . . "It was a triangular shape about three football fields on either side of the triangle."

. . .

"Not more than two-dozen UFO's had been retrieved by 1969 when I was briefed first. We were informed that there had only been a couple dozen tops-that there were several in the '40's and the early 50's. And to make it perfectly clear about those events that took place then, it sounds crazy but our radar wreaked havoc on the ET guidance systems and they had to make adjustments to their guidance systems for that."
"How many bodies had been recovered? Don't know. How many crashes have occurred in which we only got debris because the ET's came and did their recovery before we got there? Don't know but it has happened."

I think I'm getting tired.

The above quotes are not even the most interesting parts to me. I really hope some of you will get the book and read it so we can discuss it more knowledgeably.

Blessings,
Suggestions:
Dont' take any wooden nickels.
Resist any ET flights.
Put God and His Kingdom first--all the other STUFF will sort itself out from there.

. . . eventually.