Posted on 11/22/2002 7:33:34 PM PST by FormerLurker
Hey man, how's that -0 solubility in water argument doing?
How's that "fluoride isn't excreted" argument going?
Now what argument is that, Tom? Is it that you had to post something today or you wouldn't get your turkey from your boss?
You know damn well that I DID correct that minor mistake, and that I did say that it is PARTIALLY excreted, where 40% is retained in the body in adults, more than that in children.
You really should give this a break. It's obvious to anyone who reads the thread what sort of tricks you've been playing...
Unlike you and your pal, IF I DO make a mistake I admit it and correct it. In fact, out of all the incorrect statements you have made, you have not corrected ONE of them. In fact, even after having been proven factually incorrect, you continue to repeat the same false statement as if it were fact. You continue to twist, misguide, mislead, obfusuate, and spin like a top. Squirm, wiggle, and spin some more Tom, it serves to prove the assertion that this IS nothing less than an immense ongoing cover up, and that you are one of the participants of that cover up.
Don't you know were all gonna die!
IF that evil Fluoride that we've been ingesting for centuries doesn't do it, something else will!
I suppose I'll get about 10 pages of spam now.
Tricks? You are the one claiming that fluoride at the concentration present is toxic, yet millions have been drinking this "toxic poison" for decades, and yet you have been completely unable to give ANY studies that show harm. All you've been able to post is lab studies where they purposely overdose lab animals, or studies of poisoning cases.
Millions of us are drinking this, and yet nobody's sick.
Yep, REAL toxic stuff.
For a dentist Tom, you don't seem to have too many patients, as you appear to post on FR 24 hours a day, everyday...
Isn't internet access a great thing? I didn't realize I had a time limit though.
And I would say that confronting scare-mongers like you is a part of my job (not that it pays that well).
I'll tell you what, I'll put up $10,000 dollars if you do the same, and we will have a third party confirm my credentials. If I am a practicing dentist, I get your money, if I'm a fraud, you're ten grand richer.
Whadya say?
If your reading comprehension was beyond 4th grade level, you'd see that I HAVE provided AMPLE proof.
IF that evil Fluoride that we've been ingesting for centuries doesn't do it, something else will!
If you had any common sense or bothered reading any of this thread before you shot off your mouth, you'd know that we've only been ingesting highly toxic ARTIFICIAL fluorides for the last 50 years or so. Prior to that, fluorides were limited to the low concentrations that would normally occur in water supplies. Now, it is in the air, our food, and everything we drink, either by environmental pollution or DELIBERATELY as in "fluoridation".
I suppose I'll get about 10 pages of spam now.
You demand proof in one breath, yet call that proof spam. Go dip your head in fluoride and take a good swallow, that'll be your proof....
And as usual, you are wrong about that. Goes to show how valuable those pieces of paper from "top universities" are these days..
BTW, what's the solubility of CaF2 at 20 C?
BTW: I believe I posted that sarcastic reply to TomB not you, but it's nice to see that you recognize that you spammed me earlier when I replied to another FReeper Lester Moore in post 95 in answer to his query about who first discovered fluoride in a water supply.
As for Stannous Fluoride or Sodium Fluoride being artificial Fluorides-You're full of it. Both exist in nature, as do most all other elements and compounds.
From now on, if you would please, keep your Philip Heggen and Greenpeace spam to yourself. I'm not the droid you're looking for. Nor are most FReepers. Irrational fear just doesn't have the desired effect on us. Nor do ad hom. personal attacks in lieu of valid rebutal.
No, your's is the typical disinfo response.
BTW: I believe I posted that sarcastic reply to TomB not you, but it's nice to see that you recognize that you spammed me earlier when I replied to another FReeper Lester Moore in post 95 in answer to his query about who first discovered fluoride in a water supply.
I was responding to your false assertion that it would take six tubes of toothpaste to kill anyone. It would only take a half a tube to kill a child. If any child dies as a result of your "fluoride challenge", you are directly responsible. In fact, you speak of "lack of evidence", yet when it IS posted, you complain to the moderator and get the evidence deleted. Tactics related to disinformation and propaganda appear to be your forte...
As for Stannous Fluoride or Sodium Fluoride being artificial Fluorides-You're full of it. Both exist in nature, as do most all other elements and compounds.
You are totally dense. The ONLY naturally occuring fluoride is CALCIUM FLUORIDE. Go back to school and learn about what you speak before you make a total ass of yourself.
In fact, I doubt you even KNOW what stannous fluoride is...
From now on, if you would please, keep your Philip Heggen and Greenpeace spam to yourself.
Don't read the thread if you don't like facts. Go read the communist manifesto or some of your other favorite literature.
I'm not the droid you're looking for.
I'm not "looking" for anyone. What personal gain would I have in alerting people to a health hazard? What personal gain would those in the DENTAL OR ALUMINUM MANUFACTURING business have on the other hand? Those with a financial stake in this are the ones most opposed to a good hard look at the dangers of fluorides. So it is YOU that appears to be "looking for droids". As such, I'd say that YOU appear to have a motive here other than the health and well-being of the American people..
Nor are most FReepers.
Hopefully there are enough that can see through your propaganda and that of your "friends".
Irrational fear just doesn't have the desired effect on us. Nor do ad hom. personal attacks in lieu of valid rebutal.
Such as YOUR ad hominem attacks, or your junk science?
BTW, do you have any evidence to back up that assertion?
Never mind, I've just found it myself...
From Stop Fluoride Supplements for Children Under Age 7 Says Canadian Dental Association
Children have become over-saturated with fluoride from food and beverages made in fluoridated cities, from the overuse or misuse of a growing number of fluoridated dental products, from fluoride containing pesticide residues in food, from industrial fluoride air emissions and from some fluoride-containing medicines, anesthetics and other products. Fluoride is also inhaled via ocean mist (ocean water and fish contain 1.4 ppm fluoride) and through showers and humidifiers using fluoridated water. Fluoride is found naturally in some foods like tea.
Exposing the darker side of water fluoridation
A Federally Funded, National Strategy Supporting Big Industry
You really are clueless, aren't you? Do you think you'd get away with this?
How about cryolite, apatite, mica, illite, thomsenolite, prosopite, matlockite, malladrite, hieratite, camermanite are ALL naturally occurring fluoride containing compounds.
Also Sodium fluoride is found in nature, it is called Villiaumite.
Looks like you screwed the pooch again.
learn about what you speak before you make a total ass of yourself.
I just had to repeat that.
Er, perhaps I should have said that CALCIUM FLUORIDE (aka FLUORITE), is the MOST COMMONLY FOUND NATUALLY OCCURING FLUORIDE DISSOLVED IN WATER...
But yes Tom, I was wrong, and I admit it. Perhaps you should admit when YOU are wrong, then we'd be on better footing when it comes to truly exploring this issue.
From THE MINERAL CRYOLITE Cryolite is an uncommon mineral of very limited natural distribution.
THE MINERAL APATITE IS a POLYATOMIC Calcium compound.
Minerals of the The Mica Group of Minerals SOMETIMES contain fluorine, but most DON'T.
You assert that illite is a fluoride containing mineral. It is NOT. It is Potassium Aluminum Silicate Hydroxide.
THE MINERAL THOMSENOLITE again is a CALCIUM COMPOUND.
Prosopite (Calcium Aluminum Fluoride Hydroxide) is ALSO a CALCIUM compound.
Matlockite, demonstrates FLOURINE'S affinity for LEAD, as in LEAD PIPES...
Malladrite, a sodium silicoflouride, is only found in lava from VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS, such as in Vesuvius, Italy.
Hieratite AGAIN, is only present in VOLCANIC debris.
And finally, camermanite appears to be a POTASSIUM silicofluoride.
NOWHERE in that list of minerals do I see STANNOUS FLUORIDE. So THAT compound IS ARTIFICIAL....
Also Sodium fluoride is found in nature, it is called Villiaumite.
Again, I bow to your greatness. Now when are YOU going to admit you're wrong where you are wrong?
I just had to repeat that.
Hey, when are you going to admit that CALCIUM FLUORIDE DOES NOT TOTALLY dissolve in water? Or how about the false claim that SODIUM CHLORIDE IS HIGHLY TOXIC, where it is only CHLORATES that are highly poisonous?
Again, FLUORIDES of any type are toxic, and the less one consumes of fluorides in general, the better.
When are you going to realize your "sources" are feeding you a line of crap?
You keep flailing about with these spam posts, hoping to throw enough crap against the wall that SOMETHING will stick.
? Or how about the false claim that SODIUM CHLORIDE IS HIGHLY TOXIC, where it is only CHLORATES that are highly poisonous?
If you go back and read my post, my point was that, in sufficient quantities both sodium and chloride are toxic, yet soduim chloride is not. It is part of the basis of toxicology "the dose makes the poison". Howver, you've proven that concept, like so many others, is way beyond your grasp.
You have more than ably proven that you've just swallowed the Luddites and environmental wackos line on this one, and you don't really understand everything you are cutting and pasting. Why don't you post this crap on some other website where you'll find a more receptive (and gullible) audience?
Again, FLUORIDES of any type are toxic, and the less one consumes of fluorides in general, the better.
The ORL-RAT LD50 for Calcium Fluoride is 4250 mg/kg, while the ORL-RAT LD50 for Sodium Chloride is 3000 mg/kg.
Wrong again.
Remember: HE is lecturing US on this subject.
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