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Museum curator seeks to solve JFK mystery
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 11/21/2002 | MIKE COCHRAN

Posted on 11/21/2002 10:52:30 PM PST by mlo







Posted on Thu, Nov. 21, 2002


Museum curator seeks to solve JFK mystery


Knight Ridder Newspapers

(KRT) - It was 39 years ago today, a Friday, in fact, that President John F. Kennedy was slain on the streets of Dallas.

For researchers such as Gary Mack, the echoes of gunfire in Dealey Plaza remain as haunting as ever.

Maybe more so.

"There's crazy stuff going on," Mack says. "It's so screwy, now, that there are people out there who are actually confessing to having a role in the crime.

"There are people who claim they were on the grassy knoll firing away."

It's little wonder then, Mack says, that polls conducted by Gallup and Zogby International over the years show that a vast majority of Americans believe Kennedy was killed as the result of a conspiracy.

Mack, 56, is curator of the Sixth Floor Museum, located in the old Texas School Book Depository overlooking Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy was fatally shot on Nov. 22, 1963.

For 27 years, Mack - with relentless curiosity, an academic's eye and an investigator's skepticism - has sought answers to the JFK mystery.

He joined the Sixth Floor Museum as an archivist in 1994. Founded by the Dallas County Historical Foundation and funded by visitor fees, the nonprofit museum is one of the most popular historic sites in North Texas with 450,000 visitors a year.

"My role as curator is to be able to put this story in context and to present it objectively and accurately," Mack says. "Whatever history records is what the museum exhibits eventually will include.

"The museum's role is to educate and inform its visitors in a way that does not push any one point of view or any particular theory."

But one widely known conspiracy theorist sings Mack's praises.

"Gary is an excellent researcher," says Jim Marrs, whose book "Crossfire" was the basis in part for Oliver Stone's controversial movie, "JFK." Today, Marrs teaches a class on the assassination at UT-Arlington.

Says Mack, with a humorless laugh, "The important thing is President Kennedy's life and legacy ... but Oliver Stone's movie is what most people think of first."

It was in 1975 in Wichita, Kan., where he worked at a radio station, that Mack first saw Abraham Zapruder's film of the assassination.

"It changed my life," he says.

He's been hooked ever since.

"I don't know that (Lee Harvey) Oswald did anything that day, but I know the Warren Commission decided he killed President Kennedy," he says. "I know that the House Select Committee on Assassinations in the late seventies also said he killed President Kennedy, but that he had a second shooter working with him.

"So there are two official versions of history, and I don't know which one's right."

He's hardly alone.

Almost four decades later, after numerous books, movies, TV documentaries, independent investigative efforts, scattered "confessions" and two formal governmental investigations, including the Warren Commission in the 1960s, millions of Americans still ask:

"Who killed JFK?"

Mack believes that new information on the assassination still could surface.

"There were people in Dealey Plaza with cameras whose pictures have never been seen. Maybe one of those pictures will turn up and you can see the face of a guy who can answer some of the questions raised through the years," he says.

But, he adds, "I'm not even sure if the truth came out today that people would believe it."

Conflicting medical evidence, the location of the fatal head wound and the so-called "single-bullet theory"_ the Warren Commission's proposal that the same bullet killed Kennedy and struck Texas Gov. John Connally - are among the most familiar areas of dispute. But Mack says acoustical evidence - sound recordings from that day in Dealey Plaza - gathered in the late 1970s by the House Assassinations Committee offers the greatest potential of resolving the conspiracy puzzle.

In November 1994, when testifying before the Assassination Records Review Board, Mack stressed that the acoustics issue, "despite its difficulties," was far from dead.

He praised review board members for their efforts in obtaining the release of secret, JFK-related information and documents, then told them:

"I don't think (the information and documents) is going to tell us whether there was or was not a conspiracy to kill the president," he testified, "but the acoustics evidence can certainly do that."

Nothing has happened to change his mind, Mack says.

"Based on everything I know about this subject," he says, acoustics could provide a breakthrough.

"Unless there's something totally new out there that no one knows about, the acoustics evidence is the only hard evidence that has the potential to answer "the" question:

"How many shots were fired that day and where did they come from?"

The acoustics came from a motorcycle officer's radio microphone, which clicked on a few minutes before the assassination and may have inadvertently allowed the sound of the shots to be recorded by police dispatchers.

"Along with the motorcycle noise, you can hear some pops and clicks that may or may not be shots," Mack says. "The House Assassinations Committee found some acoustics experts to analyze the recordings ... and they concluded there were four shots. They could tell from the data that the third of the four came from the grassy knoll and the other three came from the window of the Texas School Book Depository.

"Because that information was so convincing, and the people who did the work were so well-respected in their fields, the committee concluded there was a conspiracy because there were two shooters."

Three years later, after a follow-up study, another group of scientists decided there were no shots on that recording.

Thus, Mack says, the potential key to a great puzzle remains in limbo because of the conflicting interpretations.

Marrs describes the dispute over the acoustics as part of the "continuing pattern of cover-up by obfuscation" of the assassination.

But Mack acknowledges that the intricacies of the acoustics evidence are difficult for the public to grasp and that the Assassination Committee's findings are not definitive and remain in dispute.

Of course, conspiracy theorists have said the same thing for years about the Warren Report, which concluded that Oswald, acting alone, killed Kennedy.

" ... It seems to me, as one who's studied this long before the Sixth Floor Museum was ever dreamed of, that if there's some solid evidence out there, then reasonable efforts ought to be made to find the answer," Mack says.

The annual JFK "November in Dallas" research conference, which is open to the public, begins Friday at the Dallas Radisson and includes a keynote address by Texas researcher Don Thomas, who has conducted his own detailed study of "echo correlation" in Dealey Plaza.

Thomas' findings would tend to support Mack, who says:

"I personally believe the original acoustics study was correct, that there are shots on there and the original scientists came to the right conclusion.

"But I can't prove it either way."

Marrs, meanwhile, has labeled the assassination "one of the world's greatest murder mysteries" and argues that there were two conspiracies.

"One was the conspiracy to kill the president," he said during an appearance before the same Assassinations Records and Review Board that heard Mack in 1994.

"Who did it, who committed it, how many gunmen, from which trajectory, how many shots, we don't know," he said. "But the second conspiracy was the conspiracy to cover up the first conspiracy, and this one was not quite so successful."

Marrs insists that "officials high within the U.S. government committed acts designed not to find truthful answers but rather to hide the truth from the American public."

Mack is less cynical, and is concerned that many Americans formed their concept of the assassination from Stone's "JFK."

"What it's come down to now is, the Oliver Stone film has made it very easy for people to think they, too, can solve the crime of the century," he said.

History, he says, will probably record that the movie was one of the best and one of the worst things to happen to the Kennedy assassination story.

"The best thing about it is it made the subject legitimate again," he said. "Stone gave people a reason to reconsider."

On the other hand, Mack says, Stone based his story on a flawed theory.

"To read the Oliver Stone version of history, you get ... the opinion that nothing was investigated. Or what was investigated was not investigated properly. That's not true. They dug up a mountain of information, some of which is relevant."

Recalling that government investigators have collected millions of pages of assassination-related documents over the years, Mack poses this question:

"If there's just one guy, how come there's so many pages?"

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1 posted on 11/21/2002 10:52:30 PM PST by mlo
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To: Shooter 2.5; jgoode; katze; _Jim; goldenboy; SoCal Pubbie; Jim Noble
FYI
2 posted on 11/21/2002 10:56:22 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo
I was just a kid when JFK was assassinated. It always puzzled the heck out of me that everybody was scratching
their heads wondering "who did it?" In my kid's mind
it was the easiest thing in the world to descern - all
one had to do was see who the next President is.
3 posted on 11/21/2002 11:33:00 PM PST by The Duke
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To: mlo
...Recalling that government investigators have collected millions of pages of assassination-related documents over the years, Mack poses this question:

"If there's just one guy, how come there's so many pages?"

Here's a similar question: Why did it take four years of investigation to determine that Vince Foster killed himself in Fort Marcy Park. The first day, everyone "knew" it was just a plain old suicide. Only a few "nuts" doubted it.

If it was so obvious to any sane person, why would it take four years to show that?

I love Ken Starr's explanation: "See, the reason we took so long was because we were so careful and thourough, etc., and we wanted to be really, really, sure..."

4 posted on 11/22/2002 1:40:35 AM PST by Flashlight
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To: The Duke
. . . all one had to do was see who the next President is.

LBJ must smile from his grave when he sees articles, like this one, without any reference to him.

5 posted on 11/22/2002 1:52:41 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: mlo
Jack Valenti is on Imus this AM and he said he didn't believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK because nothing has ever "leaked."

Interesting logic and an even more interesting word choice.

6 posted on 11/22/2002 5:44:48 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
Okay, one more time. There is no mystery, and there is nothing to solve. Lee Harvey Oswald did it, from the sixth floor window, with a rifle. Can we go on the next round of Clue please? I understand there's a big controversy over who killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.
7 posted on 11/22/2002 7:15:27 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: mlo; SoCal Pubbie
I have absolutely no respect for this guy. He sounds like the barker at the carnival midway. I half expect him to be in a striped jacket with straw hat and cane in front of his "Museum". I went there a couple of years ago and there isn't anything to it. You can find better pictures of the assassination on the internet and I don't remember a single artifact even if there were any.
The only thing the museum has is the location where it all happened and even that is glassed in so no one can look through the original angle.

The window frame was removed years ago by someone who had control of the building at one time. He has it stored at his home.
8 posted on 11/22/2002 7:47:11 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: SoCal Pubbie
...Lee Harvey Oswald did it, from the sixth floor window, with a rifle...

I'm glad you know it all, so you can tell us.

How do you know nobody fired a shot from the grassy knoll?

I'm being a little sarcastic, here, but seriously - I find it incredible that anyone could see the Zapruder film (the fatal shot) and not be convinced that the shot came from the front. Kennedy's head is thrown violently, suddenly back.

You've seen this and seriously believe (so much that you have no doubt) that this was a shot from behind, and the head-backward movement was due to a "neuromuscular reaction."?

Hey, if you really saw that and really buy the story, then tell me. I've been wrong before, and I'd like to hear someone's honest opinion if they see things differently.

9 posted on 11/22/2002 9:27:55 AM PST by Flashlight
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To: mlo
The "Cigarette-Smoking Man" did it. I saw it on the X-Files.
10 posted on 11/22/2002 9:51:50 AM PST by Darth Dan
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To: Shooter 2.5
I thought Mack's comments were appropriately reserved in this piece. He says he believes in the acoustics, which he does, but he isn't unreasonable.

Gary was actually the person who brought the acoustics issue to the attention of the HSCA in the first place. He is one of the strongest defenders of the acoustic evidence. I've worked with him on some things, and believe he is a decent person whether I agree with him or not.

There is a web site for the museum: www.jfk.org

"The annual JFK "November in Dallas" research conference, which is open to the public, begins Friday at the Dallas Radisson and includes a keynote address by Texas researcher Don Thomas, who has conducted his own detailed study of "echo correlation" in Dealey Plaza."

If you do get down there and can attend this presentation you might find it interesting. Tell Gary and Don you are a friend of mine.

11 posted on 11/22/2002 10:16:07 AM PST by mlo
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To: Darth Dan
The "Cigarette-Smoking Man" did it. I saw it on the X-Files.

That accounts for the alleged smoke on the Grassy Knoll.

12 posted on 11/22/2002 10:17:16 AM PST by mlo
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To: mlo
Bump
13 posted on 11/22/2002 10:22:38 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: mlo

Seizing JFK memories before they're gone

Historian speeds up attempt to log historic event as witnesses age

11/22/2002

By DAVID FLICK / The Dallas Morning News

Stephen Fagin collects oral histories for The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza. He is in a race against time.

By Friday, the 39th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Mr. Fagin hoped to have interviewed 30 people this year who were witnesses or who played roles in the drama of that November weekend in Dallas.

"That's the most we've had in seven years," he said. "Next year, we want to double it, partly because it will be the 40th anniversary and partly – how can I say this? – nobody lives forever."

WITNESSES TO HISTORY
CHARLES NATHAN "CHUCK" D'HORITY

Died: Nov. 7, 2002
JFK link: He was the Dallas Police Department's lead investigator in the assassination.

DORIS JACOBY

Died: Aug. 28, 2002
JFK link: The Dallas Morning News photographer hitched a ride to Parkland Memorial Hospital on the back of a three-wheel police motorcycle to pursue the story.

DR. CHARLES JAMES "JIM" CARRICO

Died : July 25, 2002
JFK link: He was the first physician to treat the president in the emergency room.

TOM CLINTON DILLARD

Died: May 21, 2002
JFK link: The chief photographer for The Dallas Morning News took a photo of the Texas School Book Depository moments after the shooting and later gave his account to the Warren Commission.

ROY "KEES" HIGGINS

Died: Jan. 16, 2002
JFK link: The Dallas police officer helped move the president from his limousine after it arrived at Parkland Memorial Hospital.
In the four decades since Mr. Kennedy's murder, memories of the event are fading, even among the witnesses and players. And, one by one, the witnesses and players themselves are passing from the scene.

Earlier this month, Charles Nathan D'Hority, one of the Dallas Police Department's lead investigators in the assassination, died at 79. C. James Carrico, the first doctor in the Parkland Memorial Hospital Emergency room to attend to the president, died in July.

The year also saw the deaths of Tom Clinton Dillard, a Dallas Morning News photographer who rode in the presidential motorcade, and Roy "Kees" Higgins, a Dallas police officer at Parkland who helped move the mortally wounded president from his limousine.

Of the 250 people interviewed since the oral history project began in 1992, about one-fifth have died, Mr. Fagin said. Most were relatively minor figures. The toll among the principal players, most of whom were middle-aged in 1963, has been even more severe.

Of the six people in the presidential limousine at the moment of the shooting, only Nellie Connally – wife of the Texas governor – still survives.

Personal views lost

The passage of time bedevils historians.

When John Mark Dempsey, a professor at the University of North Texas, began in 1999 to research a book on the trial of Jack Ruby, he could interview only three jurors. One, though still alive, could not be found. The others had died.

"The facts in the trial aren't that hard to find. You can go to the record and find out exactly what happened," Dr. Dempsey said. "But what you can't get are people's emotions, their opinions, their personal reflections on things. ... That's what will be lost as more of them pass on."

The passage of time also creates problems for people who believe that the truth is still out there.

"Every year, you have people who appear on Dealey Plaza who claim they were there that day, and their stories get more outrageous," said Dave Perry of Grapevine, who is considered among the most cautious of the conspiracy theorists.

Mr. Perry has compiled a list of people who have been accused by other conspiracy theorists of being in Dealey Plaza on Nov. 22, 1963, with the intent of doing the president harm. His list has 67 names.

"What happens is that the people who were there and could definitely say that so-and-so didn't happen are no longer around," he said. "That allows people to claim anything, and nobody can say any different."

More digging needed

Thirty-nine years after the event, Mr. Perry says he fears he may never be able to name an accomplice to Lee Harvey Oswald, whom the Warren Commission described as the lone assassin.

But he believes that improvements in technology can provide better analysis of evidence. He noted that a 1970s acoustic study of the assassination site raised the possibility of an additional gunshot, later dismissed by others as being the sound of a motorcycle backfiring.

"I'd like to see what they'd find if they repeated that study, using technology that exists now," he said.

Gary Mack, curator of The Sixth Floor Museum, agrees that there is still fruitful evidence to be gathered.

"Most of the principal players were interviewed within a year after the assassination, and those interviews are on record for all time," he said.

"The problem is that new questions have arisen over the years, and those questions weren't necessarily asked in 1964."

Local residents often offer Mr. Mack photos taken on Dealey Plaza the day after the assassination. Most of them show crowds or mounds of bouquets, and the donors are surprised when Mr. Mack shows interest, he said.

"We know Jack Ruby visited Dealey Plaza sometime during that period, and I keep looking at those photographs of flowers, hoping I'll see him in the background," Mr. Mack said.

And museum officials keep urging those with even seemingly minor connections to the assassination to record their oral histories.

Fading memories

Earlier this month, Rio Pierce was among them.

Mr. Pierce, 79, was the police lieutenant in charge of security in the Police Department garage on Nov. 24, 1963, when Oswald, newly accused of killing the president, was shot by nightclub figure Jack Ruby.


Rio Pierce, 79, headed security in the Dallas Police Department garage the day Lee Harvey Oswald was shot. He will finally tell his story because his "memory is getting shorter all the time."
(MONA REEDER / DMN)
Although he gave only a few interviews throughout his life, Mr. Pierce decided to grant one to The Sixth Floor Museum – because of the institution's reputation and because he wasn't getting any younger.

"It was a historic event, and a lot of people had wanted interviews. I guess I felt like I needed to tell the stories," he said. "My memory is getting shorter all the time."

Therein lies the problem.

"Not only do people die off, but memories fade and people read books and it colors what they think they remember," Mr. Fagin said.

For that reason, Mr. Mack said, a doctor in the Parkland emergency room backed out of an oral-history interview.

"He said he was afraid he would misremember something, and that would only stir up more controversy where there was enough controversy already," he said.

Dave Wiegman, who was in Dallas 39 years ago as an NBC-TV photographer, gave interviews to the Sixth Floor Museum and to the Discovery Channel a few weeks ago. He figured it was now or never.

"I'm getting a lot of stuff together in the garage, old Kennedy photographs that I'm sorting out," said Mr. Wiegman, who now lives in Easton, Md.

"I'm 76, and hopefully I've got another 10 years or so, but I figured if I don't do it now, it isn't going to get done.

"There aren't too many of us left in the boat."


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/localnews/stories/112202dnmetjfklinks_.c609.html

14 posted on 11/22/2002 11:11:49 AM PST by mlo
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Mack - with relentless curiosity, an academic's eye and an investigator's skepticism ...

I just had to laugh at that part. A whole "conspiracy theory" industry exists out there filled with lots of people who will be happy to sell you something. While I've never entirely bought the Warren Commission report, I certainly don't believe the tin-foil salesmen.

15 posted on 11/22/2002 11:22:00 AM PST by mgstarr
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To: SoCal Pubbie
"Okay, one more time. There is no mystery, and there is nothing to solve. Lee Harvey Oswald did it, from the sixth floor window, with a rifle. Can we go on the next round of Clue please? I understand there's a big controversy over who killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman."

It must be wonderful to live in your tidy little world.

16 posted on 11/22/2002 11:32:24 AM PST by hove
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To: hove
It must be wonderful to live in your tidy little world.

He is only speaking the truth. The "mystery" in this case was manufactured after the fact, by people with an agenda.

17 posted on 11/22/2002 11:37:02 AM PST by mlo
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To: mlo
My problem with the curator is no one connected to the museum is trying to counter the huckster plying their trade on the plaza.
I was there today and I'm going to try to give you some pictures throught the e mail list as soon as I can. Some are on the first shot and some are on the second shot. I already posted pictures of the third shot when we were working on all of those threads.
18 posted on 11/22/2002 6:20:39 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Flashlight; BlueMondaySkipper; hove; SoCal Pubbie; Shooter 2.5
I find it incredible that anyone could see the Zapruder film (the fatal shot) and not be convinced that the shot came from the front. Kennedy's head is thrown violently, suddenly back.

Kennedy's head makes a sudden jerk *forward* at frame 312. After the head shot he falls back. Saying he is "thrown violently, suddenly back" overstates the case.

Hollywood movies give the impression people get thrown around by gunshots. In real life, a high velocity rifle shot is likely to simply pass through, imparting very little velocity to the victim.

A number of different expert panels have reviewed the medical evidence, begining with the autopsy crew and continuing on up through the HSCA investigation, and all have concluded that JFK was hit with two shots from above and behind.

The material ejected from the head in the Z-film goes *forward*, not backward.

The bullet fragments from the head shot that were collected in the limo were all found in front of where JFK was sitting.

Some fragments were large enough to be ballistically matched with the weapon. ALL such fragments, and the Connally bullet too, were fired from Oswald's rifle.

Neutron Activation Analysis shows that all the fragments came from the bullets that were ballistically matched to Oswald's rifle.

That rifle was found on the sixth floor with three empty cartridge cases. Oswald made a special trip to pick it up the night before and took it to work that day.

A large majority of witnesses reported hearing three shots.

A large majority of witnesses reported that all shots came from only one location, and that location was the Texas School Book Depository.

Oswald was seen in the window with the weapon.

Nobody was seen firing a weapon from the Grassy Knoll, even though numerous witnesses were in the area or looking in that direction.

There is no medical or ballistic evidence at all for a shot from the front, or for any shot from a different weapon.

19 posted on 11/23/2002 3:26:15 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo
Thanks for the reply. I'd like nothing more than to understand what happened, conspiracy or not.

.... Saying he is "thrown violently, suddenly back" overstates the case...

It's been a while since I've seen this, and maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but that description sure sums up what I saw. The forward motion, as I recall, only takes place for one frame, so I don't doubt that it exists, but it can't be detected by anyone watching the film at normal speed.

Anyway, what you're saying is that the bullet from behind started his head going down, then the n.m. reaction started the head going back. That would have to be one heck of a n.m. reaction to abruptly overcome the downward momemtum.

A number of different expert panels have reviewed the medical evidence, begining with the autopsy crew and continuing on up through the HSCA investigation, and all have concluded that JFK was hit with two shots from above and behind...

And a lot of others have concluded otherwise. The autopsy was fraught with errors and tons of weird discrepencies. There are a lot of people like me who just want to know what happened, and many of them have more impressive credentials than the "experts".

The HSCA concluded two snipers, remember. I know this was based of the accoustic evidence, but still, it shows that experts can disagree.

A large majority of witnesses reported hearing three shots...

Is this true? Even the police tape recorded four "shot-like" sounds (Bam... Bam... Bam-Bam)if I recall correctly. there were all kinds of differing reports on how many shots. I don't remember there being any consensus on any number. (I believe even John Connely insisted that he and the President were never hit by the same bullet.)

...A large majority of witnesses reported that all shots came from only one location, the TSBD...

Are you sure about this also? Can't recall, but I don't recall this being the case.

Oswald was seen in the window with the weapon...

By who? I don't recall this either.

...Nobody was seen firing a weapon from the Grassy Knoll, even though numerous witnesses were in the area or looking in that direction...

True, but that's a little misleading. There was a lot of bushes and stuff to hide behind, and everyone had his eyes on the President at the time.

There is no medical or ballistic evidence at all for a shot from the front, or for any shot from a different weapon

Ther may not be ballistic evidence, but there *is* plenty of "medical evidence" that raises, at least, tons of suspicion.

20 posted on 11/23/2002 4:49:46 PM PST by Flashlight
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