Bin Laden No Worse Than Falwell, Robertson, Swaggart, Top Muslim Says

NewsMax ^ | 11/19/02 | Limbacher

[Tumbleweed_Connection]

A spokesman for a leading U.S.-based Muslim organization insisted Sunday that conservative Christian leaders Rev. Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Rev. Jimmy Swaggart are just as bad as Osama bin Laden because, given the chance, they would commit mass murder against Muslims.

"They're the equivalent of our Osama bin Laden," said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), in an interview with WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg.

"Why did Osama bin Laden send planes into the World Trade Center? What possible reason?," Hooper asked rhetorically. "The only thing you can think of is that he wanted to create a permanent divide between the Muslim world and the West. And that's the same thing these guys want to do."

Questioned on whether he thought the three Christian conservatives wanted to kill Muslims, Hooper initially told Malzberg, "Their tactics are obviously not the same but their goals are the same..... Their goals are to divide people along religious lines and to create an unending civilizational conflict that does no one any good."

But moments later, Hooper charged that Falwell, Robertson and Swaggart would commit mass murder against Muslims if they had the chance.

MALZBERG: And what do you think Osama bin Laden's goals are?

HOOPER: About the same thing (unending civilizational conflict).

MALZBERG: Not to kill Christians and Jews and Westerners?

HOOPER: Yes, that's one of his goals. And I'm sure that, given the right circumstance, these guys would do the same in the opposite direction. (End of Excerpt)

Hooper offered the ugly comparison just two days after President Bush responded to CAIR's call for the White House to condemn the three Christian leaders for criticizing Islam as a violent religion.

In a meeting with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan on Friday - two days after CAIR issued its complaint - Bush said, "Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others."

Secretary of State Colin Powell echoed Bush's remarks in comments later that day.

Hooper said he was pleased by the president's comments, but regretted that he did not specifically cite Falwell, Robertson and Swaggart by name.

"It would have been good for the president to name names," Hooper told Malzberg. "But I think it's clear that, on background, a top official said, 'Yeah, that's who he was talking about - the Swaggarts, the Robertsons, the Falwells."

Though prohibited by tax law from engaging in overt campaigning, Robertson and Falwell are considered staunch allies of the Bush White House, and their ministries were responsible for adding millions of votes to the GOP column.

The White House did not respond by presstime to Mr. Hooper's comments comparing the top Christian leaders to the world's most notorious terrorist.

[PaxMacian]

"Their goals are to divide people along religious lines and to create an unending civilizational conflict that does no one any good."

These are not goals but facts; people have long been divided along religious lines.
Conflict has been inevitable since Muhammed, the false prophet, began his blasphemous conquests.

[RAT Patrol]

This is what it's really all about:

Though prohibited by tax law from engaging in overt campaigning, Robertson and Falwell are considered staunch allies of the Bush White House, and their ministries were responsible for adding millions of votes to the GOP column. The war against Falwell and Robertson is on going and began a long time ago.

Our government does not force people to like Mohammad and Islam NOR Jesus and Christianity. Equally, it doesn't inhibit the free practice of these religions either. Get past it lefties. Falwell and Robertson can diss Mohammad just like the Hollywood left disses Jesus. It's called freedom. The government is not allowed to get involved in an official capacity. Perhaps Jesse Ventura should be banned from government for his hateful words about Christians. Maybe the Hollywood God haters should be denounced by the left? I mean, what is this country coming to? I think we should ban all words negative towards Christ. That'd be cool (except that I believe in freedom and Christ wants people to choose his forgiveness, not accept it through jihad).

[steve-b]

Frankly, there are some "Christian" leaders who would kill Muslims (and other unbelievers) if given the opportunity to do so.

The difference between Western Civilization and what passes for civilization in Muslim theocracies is that the former suppresses its lunatic fringe by both law and custom, while the latter either supports or turns a blind eye to it. It is this institutional difference, not the moral status of any particular individuals, that makes the former superior to the latter.

[RAT Patrol]

The law abiding free exercise..I should add. Sorry, no jihads allowed.

[Post Toasties]

Ibrahim Hooper is a contemptible liar and a shameless apologist for his gutter religion. Falwell et al would never resort to the child murdering genocidal tactics of Islamic scum such as bin Laden and the Palestinians.

[TLBSHOW]

This is what it's really all about:

Though prohibited by tax law from engaging in overt campaigning, Robertson and Falwell are considered staunch allies of the Bush White House, and their ministries were responsible for adding millions of votes to the GOP column. The war against Falwell and Robertson is on going and began a long time ago.

Our government does not force people to like Mohammad and Islam NOR Jesus and Christianity. Equally, it doesn't inhibit the free practice of these religions either. Get past it lefties. Falwell and Robertson can diss Mohammad just like the Hollywood left disses Jesus. It's called freedom. The government is not allowed to get involved in an official capacity. Perhaps Jesse Ventura should be banned from government for his hateful words about Christians. Maybe the Hollywood God haters should be denounced by the left? I mean, what is this country coming to? I think we should ban all words negative towards Christ. That'd be cool (except that I believe in freedom and Christ wants people to choose his forgiveness, not accept it through jihad).


22 posted on 11/19/2002 3:15 PM EST by RAT Patrol
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[TommyDale]

The estimates of Evangelical Christians voting straight Republican tickets this year were some 25 million. Add the other votes, mostly Republican, but split ticket nonetheless, and it's easy to see why the Democrats and Muslims are targeting Falwell and Robertson.

[agrace]

Steve didn't just let him get away with that comparison with no blasting response did he? I'd be surprised if he did.

[browardchad]

After 30 years of listening to nauseating chanting from Teheran to Islamabad to Nablus, hearing the childish rants about "The Mother of All Battles" and "The Great Satan," and witnessing presidents from Carter to Bush burned in effigy, the ritual torching of the American flag, the misspelled banners of hatred, the thousands of paint-by-the-numbers posters of psychopaths from Khomeini to bin Laden, televised threats that sound as hideous as they are empty, Nazi-inspired anti-Semitism, embassy takeovers, oil-boycotts, hijacked planes, cars, and ships, lectures from unelected obese sheiks with long names and gold chains, peacekeepers incinerated in their sleep, murders at the Olympics, bodies dumped on the tarmac of airports, shredded diplomats, madmen in sunglasses in Iraq, Syria, and Libya, demented mullahs and whip-bearing imams in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, continual televised murders of Americans abroad, our towers toppled, our citizens butchered, our planes blown up, hooded Klansmen in Hamas and Hezbollah, killers of al-this and Islamic-that, suicide bombers, shrill turbaned nuts spouting hatred on C-SPAN broadcasts, one day the salvation of Kuwait, the next sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the third day fury against the sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the fourth day some grievance from 1953, the fifth another from A.D. 752; and all the time sanctimonious fingerpointing from Middle Eastern academics and journalists who are as bold abroad in insulting us as they are timid and obsequious under dictators at home in keeping silent, I've about had it. No mas.

The problem is you, not us — you, you, you….

----- Victor Davis Hanson

[RAT Patrol]

That's what I think too. (your post 29) We need to not be suckers by falling into this "divide the republican party" trap the left is setting for us.

[DonQ]

Y'know I took second place to no one in slamming Falwell, Robertson and even Swaggart over the last quarter century....
but even I will admit that I never heard any of them advocate bombing and killing people. I never heard them threatening people's children, and I never heard them chortling over how they had prior knowledge of a scheme to kill people.

[MEGoody]

Bin Laden no worse? Oh come on! When did Falwell, Robertson or Swaggert engineer a plan to crash planes into buildings and kill thousands? Never.

[happygrl]

Please continue posting this quote from Oriana Fallaci. It's wisdom for our age.

[MoGalahad]

"Frankly, there are some "Christian" leaders who would kill Muslims (and other unbelievers) if given the opportunity to do so".
"It is this institutional difference, not the moral status of any particular individuals, that makes the former superior to the latter".

According to who? You?
Name the "Christian" leaders who would indiscriminately kill Muslims if given the opportunity to do so because I don't believe your thesis.
You speak as if you have some kind of moral authority when in fact you do not. How tragic!

[CyberCowboy777]

Your bias is showing

Name these so-called leaders, so we can turn them in

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

The Religion of Peace proves that it is also the Religion of Logic.

[Dialup Llama]

I'd expect a 'top muslim' to say, "We reject the terrorism of bin Laden." Guess even that is too much to expect from these people. Perhaps they really do agree with OBL.

[Dialup Llama]

>The Religion of Peace proves that it is also the Religion of Logic.

Seems that their 'invention' of algebra was a fluke given their love of personalistic and subjective logics.