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TARGET: Tom Tancredo (Warned "never to darken the door of the White House again.")
Roll Call ^ | November 18, 2002 | Josh Kurtz

Posted on 11/18/2002 6:23:24 PM PST by Mark Felton

November 18, 2002

Target: Tom Tancredo

Some Say GOPPrimary Challenge Likely

By Josh Kurtz He represents one of the most conservative districts in the nation. He just trounced his Democratic challenger by 37 points. Yet Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) may be one of the most vulnerable incumbents in the 2004 election cycle.

Tancredo, a controversial, outspoken voice for the Republican right who is entering his third term, has angered leading Republicans back home and in the White House.

The House Member's criticisms of President Bush's immigration policy bought him a 40-minute rebuke earlier this year from Bush adviser Karl Rove, who, in the Congressman's own words, warned him "never to darken the door of the White House again." And his decision to renounce his pledge to serve only three terms has infuriated powerful Colorado Republicans, including his political patron, former Sen. Bill Armstrong (R).

"I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a primary [in 2004]," said Floyd Ciruli, an independent Colorado pollster.

Several Republicans, including popular state Treasurer Mike Coffman, who just won a landslide re-election of his own, are considering taking on Tancredo in the '04 primary.

Other potential candidates include state Sen. Jim Dyer (R) and former Arapahoe County Commissioner Steve Ward. "It's a given" that someone will run against the 56-year-old lawmaker, Coffman said. "There are questions about his term-limit pledge. When you have someone like Senator Armstrong, who was his mentor, backing away from him - I think that resonates."

Armstrong was instrumental in getting Tancredo elected in the first place, endorsing him over four strong opponents in a competitive GOP primary to replace retiring Rep. Dan Schaefer (R) in 1998. By Tancredo's reckoning, Armstrong's blessing was worth 3 points at the polls - which just happened to be his margin of victory in the primary.

Even though he may not seek re-election in 2004 - and would consider running for Senate if Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R) retires - he has chucked the term-limit promise nevertheless.

"The term-limit pledge in and of itself is not the deciding factor if he will run again," said Tancredo spokeswoman Lara Kennedy.

Like all Members who change their minds on term limits, Tancredo has cast his decision as being in the best interests of his district and pet causes. Tancredo wants to preserve his seniority for his suburban district south of Denver and angle for better committee assignments. Plus, he does not want to lose the momentum he has built fighting the government's open immigration policies, Kennedy said. Tancredo is the founder of the House Immigration Reform Caucus.

While plenty of politicians have broken their term-limit pledges before, including Rep. Scott McInnis (R-Colo.), Tancredo's decision is more noteworthy because he once headed Colorado's term-limit organization.

"All too often you have terrific candidates who come to Washington with the best of intentions, but they get too comfortable, and when the time comes, they don't want to go home," lamented Stacie Rumenap, a spokeswoman for U.S.Term Limits.

Whether Tancredo suffers any political damage remains to be seen. So far, the handful of Members who have broken their pledges, including McInnis, have not suffered any consequences at the polls, Rumenap conceded. And U.S.Term Limits is not in the business of recruiting challengers to incumbents who have broken the pledge.

Tancredo has promised to return campaign contributions to donors who are dismayed at his decision to ignore the term-limits pledge. But Armstrong - who did not respond to several messages left at his Denver law office - called the refund offer "hollow," according to The Rocky Mountain News.

Armstrong, meanwhile, has offered some kind words about Coffman.

"Mike Coffman is someone the Republican Party and the people of Colorado will rally around,"he told the News. "There is no doubt in my mind that he will be on the short list for whatever comes along - it could be governor, it could be Senator, it could be Congress."

Coffman, in fact, began running for Congress last year - in the new 7th district, which adjoins Tancredo's. But when the final district lines were drawn, Coffman found himself in Tancredo's 6th district, just a few blocks from the 7th, and chose not to move or run.

Coffman said that while he has not given much thought to the 2004 election yet, he believes that Tancredo will be vulnerable. The three Republicans most frequently mentioned as challengers are all military veterans, while Tancredo is not, and that could make a difference in a district that values military service, political insiders said.

Coffman, a 47-year-old Marine Corps vet who served in Operation Desert Storm, said Tancredo's military deferments during the Vietnam War would hurt him as America prepares to attack Iraq, and could be linked to his decision to ignore the term-limit pledge.

"Here's a guy ordering young men off to war and he himself didn't serve," he said. "I think in this conservative district, something like that could resonate."

Certainly, Tancredo's record would contrast with Coffman's, or Dyer's, who is an Air Force veteran, or Ward's, who is a lieutenant colonel in the Marine Corps Reserves and is on active duty in Florida.

Dyer called it "highly unlikely" that he would challenge Tancredo, but said somebody else might, and predicted that the term-limit issue would sting the incumbent.

"I think a number of people that support Tom are not going to support him if he breaks the term-limit pledge,"said Dyer, who was a surrogate for Tancredo at a candidate forum this fall. "We can't say that situational ethics is bad for party A but not for party B."

Ward, a former mayor of suburban Glendale, could not be reached for comment, but is expected to return to Colorado next year. In an interview with the News after completing his one term on the Arapahoe County Commission, Ward made his opinion of politicians who stay in office too long perfectly clear.

"Any politician who can't find the bathrooms in the first week doesn't deserve to be in public office," he said.

It is unclear whether the White House would try to get involved in a primary challenge to Tancredo.

But it is fair to say that Tancredo is not one of the president's favorite people. Earlier this year, the Congressman accused Bush of pandering to Hispanic voters and trying to prop up Mexican President Vicente Fox by offering amnesty to certain undocumented immigrants. That declaration brought an angry 40-minute phone call from Rove, and Bush pointedly failed to introduce Tancredo to the crowd during a political rally in Colorado in September.

With his hard-line views on immigration, Tancredo is no stranger to controversy. In 1999, he gained publicity for reaffirming his support for gun owners' rights just days after the massacre at Columbine High School, which is six blocks from his house.

The Southern Poverty Law Center released a report last summer linking Tancredo to extremist groups, which the Congressman dismissed as "McCarthyism."

And he was embarrassed earlier this year when it was revealed that undocumented workers had been hired to do some construction work on his Littleton home.

But pollster Ciruli said Tancredo's views on immigration are in line with his constituents'.

"Nobody who's going to argue the soft side of immigration is going to beat him in the Republican primary, or even in the general," he said.

After seeing two fairly viable opponents get wiped out by Tancredo in 1998 and 2000, Democrats appear to have abandoned the 6th district - leaving Republicans there to decide whether they want him to remain in office.


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To: hchutch
Their government failed them, not ours. Get that part straight.

Second, your logic is flawed because you assume that their problems are our responsibility, they are not. They were free to apply to go somewhere else but instead they chose the illegal route to come here because they KNEW WE DIDN'T ENFORCE JACK!

They made their choice and their choice was to break and ignore our laws. Your arguement has nothing to do with bureuacratic malfeasance it has to do with the fact that they could not make a case for their reasoning to be allowed in so they broke the law.

They had a choice and that choice was to go somewhere else, someplace that wanted them or needed them. The U.S. is neither.

Did it ever dawn on you that maybe there was a legitimate reason they were rejected? Probably not since you're soooo convinced that OUR (not their) government failed them. They are not American citizens, our government has failed US by allowing these freeloaders to invade.

Deport them all.

641 posted on 11/19/2002 7:40:52 AM PST by Bikers4Bush
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Like Tancredo is a racist without actually saying anything racist?"

So if all else fails use the race card huh? Seems your ilk likes to pass this word around a lot. Guess what, 9/11 made people realize that "Race Baiters" are not going to get free reign anymore.

"And having said that, it makes me pro-illegal?

Bingo, give that man a cigar. Anyone with any education at all, who reads 245(i), knows it's an amnesty for illegals, maybe not blanket, but an amnesty none the less. Just to refresh your memory, here is a link to what 245(i) says. 245(i)In a nutshell any illegal who was in the US during the specified time (last count was around 2 million or so), can have someone sponsor them, pay a 1,000.00 fee and become a US citizen.

And sponsors can include, an Employer, A Relative (Brother,Sister,Father,Mother). This means if they came to this country illegally, had a child in the US(who now becomes a US citizen), and this child now sponsors them(And don't even try to tell me this isn't happening or being discussed, try a search for 245i on google and look at the message boards, both Spanish and English), they then become non-illegals in the eyes of the law. Or let's suppose some Lawn service company sponsors an illegal(all they have to do is say that the Illegal is the only one who can do that job), again the illegal becomes non-illegal.

" But since you brought up the subject, please provide any sort of reputable poll indicating that the majority of the American people see immigration as the issue that will take front center stage in the 2004 elections."

You really should read my posts a little better, "Polls, and the people that rely on them are useless", polls can give many answers for the same question, it all depends on how you word it. So here is my wording, I and millions more like me, will make it a point that the average person understands just what illegal immigration is doing to this country. We have two years and lots of avenues available to us to do just that.

So what do you think the poor white family or poor black family will say to illegals taking the jobs they need to survive just because they will work cheaper? Or Middle Class Americans will say to the destruction of our "American" society? Or the fact that they must support(with their tax dollars), the millions of illegals who are even now overburdening our welfare system? You might think immigration will not be a factor in the next election, but just like the dims in this past election, you will be surprised.

642 posted on 11/19/2002 7:42:05 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: hchutch
Unrestricted illegal immigration makes it difficult to take situations like Elian's into account doesnt it?
643 posted on 11/19/2002 7:42:15 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: hchutch
By your logic we're supposed to take in every Colombian family that has a child old enough to be kidnapped by drug lords or marxist guerillas?

Where's the government of Colombia's responsibility in this?

"And for that, I blame the idiots that didn't stop and think."

I'm still waiting for you to stop and think.

LOL!

645 posted on 11/19/2002 7:45:27 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom

You have any evidence to support that they focused on Gephardt's amnesty promise or is your speculation.

646 posted on 11/19/2002 7:46:04 AM PST by deport
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To: hchutch
Now, I ask you, do you have a cogent response to that Colombian family, who had been forced -

Now, I ask you for your cogent response to the fact that GWB hasn't done a thing about the the scandalous INS, nor worse yet, has he even proposed anything.

Oops, sorry, I forgot that he was occupied with colored warning signals and the old lady gropings at the airports.

647 posted on 11/19/2002 7:50:01 AM PST by iconoclast
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To: Kerberos
The government, led by Bush, is doing nothing to seal and protect our borders. I have been a stanch supporter of Bush in most things but "Americans" and the "Rule of Law" shpould be first and foremost in our leaders minds, not the Hispanic vote. I am ashamed of Bush's leadership in this area. I think we have a lot more to fear from our borders than Iraq. I'm all for taking that scum out also, but look closely at the vilification of any one carrying a firearm to protect their family, and any one that says anything anti-PC about minorities.
648 posted on 11/19/2002 7:52:19 AM PST by ukwildcat
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To: hchutch
Hutch, contrary to yours and the Wall St. Journal's thinking, we can't take in the world. And those who do come here should do it legally. I know this upsets you and your friend Paul Gigot, but you're going to have to live with it.

Looks at the polls. The American people overwhelmingly are saying ENOUGH. Rewarding illegals has proven a disaster. Why in anyone's name would you want to do it again?

649 posted on 11/19/2002 7:55:32 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Bikers4Bush; 4Freedom
They were placed on a waiting list - not rejected for entry - despite circumatances that warranted expedited action. Their asylum application was rejected, but they were given a place in line - bureaucrats who thought of it as "just another case" as opposed to a family who faced a bad situation, partially brought about by our government.

Our government's responsibility for people like that Colombian family begins with the instant they make an application for asylum or for permanent residency. There IS a responsiblity to them - and in the case of that Colombian family, there is good reason for me to believe that our government's responsibility to them WAS NOT MET.

If this were the EPA or BATF involved, you'd be up in arms. But it's okay in this case? Come on, Howard Stern has a more consitency in his standards than I'm seeing here!!
650 posted on 11/19/2002 7:57:02 AM PST by hchutch
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To: deport
I said, "maybe".
651 posted on 11/19/2002 7:57:40 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: hchutch
Our government is responsible to its own citizens not foreigners.

The family was placed on a waiting list because that's all they deserved. Their government failed them not ours.

As for consistency of standards I find it odd that you would even think I find the INS to be consistent when we are being over run by the dregs of society.

653 posted on 11/19/2002 8:03:23 AM PST by Bikers4Bush
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To: ukwildcat
"The government, led by Bush, is doing nothing to seal and protect our borders. I have been a stanch supporter of Bush in most things but "Americans" and the "Rule of Law" should be first and foremost in our leaders minds, not the Hispanic vote. I am ashamed of Bush's leadership in this area. I think we have a lot more to fear from our borders than Iraq. I'm all for taking that scum out also, but look closely at the vilification of any one carrying a firearm to protect their family, and any one that says anything anti-PC about minorities. "

Right on target.

""Americans" and the "Rule of Law" should be first and foremost in our leaders minds, not the Hispanic vote."

And therein is where I think the crux of the problem lies.

654 posted on 11/19/2002 8:03:28 AM PST by Kerberos
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To: 4Freedom; Luis Gonzalez
I love it, when Luis has his arguments reduced to shreds he uses the perfect description of his personal life to insult another.

ROTFLMAO!

655 posted on 11/19/2002 8:08:33 AM PST by Bikers4Bush
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Are you denying that our government has a responsibility to those who are applying here? Particularly to take into account circumstances leading to their application? That Colombian family did NOT leave a luxurious lifestyle there (middle class here) on a whim to sponge off us.

Are you saying, flat-out, that it was RIGHT for our government to put that Colombian family into a position where they had to choose between saving their son and obeying our laws?

Are you saying there should not be accountability for such screw-ups as I described? Or are they okay? At least Gigot and the Wall Street Journal have a consitent standard - I'm seeing a double standard from the Tancredobots like you.
656 posted on 11/19/2002 8:14:18 AM PST by hchutch
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To: ukwildcat; Luis Gonzalez; hchutch; Lil'freeper; HiJinx; Spiff
The government, led by Bush, is doing nothing to seal and protect our borders.

Furthermore, President Bush and Ashcroft don't even address this problem. They don't even mention figures from the Border Patrol that shows the monthly totals of OTM's, and those from Terrorists countries who came into the country. They avoid the subejct. So I find it hard to believe they are doing their best when they refuse to let us know they even care. There's no discussion or words of caution to make us beware of the evildoers that stop off in Central America to become more "Mexicanized" and get fake id's to come on in to our Country.

Here in Arizona, our Governor only talks about getting trade in and out of the country in a more convenient manner. Tom Tancredo made a trip to our border to investigate border incursions and reported them on O'Reilly's show. I used to email Mr. Tancredo but somehow he now can only get email from his constituents. You cannot even email him on his Immigration Reform Caucus website. Something stinks about this. I don't think he became vocal and formed this caucus to become this inacessible. I think he's stepped on some toes in Washington or the RNC.

657 posted on 11/19/2002 8:15:00 AM PST by madfly
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To: Captainpaintball
I apologize - I was a little hard on you - sorry.

Here is my gut feeling about this situation. First - yes, there is a need to be careful how this is handled for two reasons - 1 - the hispanic vote and 2 - the effect on the economy of totally removing all illegals during a time when the economy is fragile.

Hispanics are the fastest growing portion of the society and any political party has to realize that in a few years they could be in real trouble if not drawing the hispanic vote. Not right - but reality.

Next - our economy does depend on the illegal aliens much as we wish it did not. A solution will have to take in account this fact. To pull all illegals will throw a huge economic blow to companies and individuals.

Now - I know these things about Bush (not hero worship - just understanding the president). Our safety and the defense of the U.S. is the top priority. Our economy is second. In addition, he appreciates the problems making the aliens come across the border - to feed their families because of poverty in Mexico.

I am expecting a very well thought out solution to the Mexican border problem. I think he wants Homeland Security Dept in place first. Reorganization of the INS with tougher security measures under this new organization.

I feel there will be some sort of guest worker program with detailed tracking of these individuals with an opportunity for full citizenship after possibly a 5-year great record as guest worker. I expect Bush to come up with a tracking procedure for all non-American visitors.

In addition - I think there were plans for an effort with Mexico with trade agreements to attempt to resolve the poverty causing the influx of people. This may have not developed due to the war and Fox's demands on us to serve only his needs.

I have no doubt this president will do something about the borders. But, as shown in the past, as we are stewing about problems, the Bush team is busily working on GOOD solutions - not just political maneuvers. Some of these solutions are just not pulled out of a hat. It is not their operating procedure to recklessly take action. Action will come and it will be effective action.

We need to just keep on nudging them and speaking up for better border protection, and stoppage of the drain on our society by illegal aliens.

658 posted on 11/19/2002 8:16:14 AM PST by ClancyJ
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"you like the rest of his politics?
"

I LOVE his politics, especially the part about keeping illegal Mexicans out of our borders!
659 posted on 11/19/2002 8:16:28 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Bikers4Bush
How is a person with a degree in electrical engineering and who works as manager and part-owner of a factory one of "the dregs of society" as you put it?

You also miss the salient fact that that family had applied for entry into our country - like it or not, we DID have a responsiblity to them, particularly when that asylum application was a red flag indicating that this was not a routine immigration matter - there might have been circumstances that warranted more immediate action than a waiting list.

Sorry, but you're not convincing me at all that we have no responsibility to them - not when it is government agents making a judgement - and who ought to gather the facts about the circumstances of applicants before doing so.
660 posted on 11/19/2002 8:17:05 AM PST by hchutch
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