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Why are guns "evil"?

Posted on 11/18/2002 1:07:06 PM PST by WalterGR

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=1012057&nav=3YeXCNgu

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20021114/1042844.asp

http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news02/111502_news_albright.shtml

Hmmmm. 3 stories in 4 days about a citizen using a firearm in self-defense. And yet, all the soc/libs tell us is that "guns are evil". I wonder why they NEVER admit guns are an effective means of self-defense. Could it be that they don't WANT people to defend themselves from criminals? Naahhh, that's just crazy thinking.

Why, every civilized person KNOWS that, if you just do as the criminal says, you won't get hurt. Especially if you're a woman about to be raped. But, if she tries to use a gun to protect herself, the attacker will just take it away and shoot her with it. After all, women are so weak and fragile - that's why they aren't allow to serve in ANY military in the world.

Just like every civilized person KNOWS that, a gun in the home is more likely to kill a family member than be used in self-defense. That's why, with over 80 million homes having firearms, the population of the United States is shrinking due to the millions of accidental shootings each and every day. In fact, by the end of 2002, the USofA will be deserted. (Will the last person standing please turn off all the nuclear reactors?)


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: banglist; firearms; guns
(Torrington-AP Nov. 14, 2002 7:30 AM) _ A handgun trumped a crowbar in an attempted robbery of a Torrington gas station Wednesday.

James Borla, owner of Borla's Service Station, said he saw Erick Valsecchi on a video camera walking into the station as Borla was at work in his back office.

He said he saw Valsecchi wielding a crowbar.

The 22-year-old Valsecchi demanded cash from the attendant.

Borla grabbed his .44-caliber gun, came up behind Valsecchi and ordered him to drop the crowbar and lie on the ground.

Valsecchi complied and was soon arrested.

He was charged with first-degree robbery and held on a $75,000 bond

1 posted on 11/18/2002 1:07:06 PM PST by WalterGR
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To: WalterGR
Borla grabbed his .44-caliber gun, came up behind Valsecchi and ordered him to drop the crowbar and lie on the ground.

Borla should have shot him a couple of times.

2 posted on 11/18/2002 1:11:04 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: *bang_list
Ping
3 posted on 11/18/2002 1:11:21 PM PST by phasma proeliator
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To: WalterGR
Guns are "evil" for liberals for 2 reasons:

1) They cannot imagine taking responsibility for themselves - the very thought is anathema to them. Anything that suggests that they can do it easily is a challenge to their House of Cards worldview and is, hence, evil.

2) Guns represent the ability of the average person (or tens of millions of them) to resist the government. Since these people mainly worship the State, anything opposed to its power is automatically evil.

Crime has little to do with it, despite protestations to the contrary.

4 posted on 11/18/2002 1:13:41 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: WalterGR
http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=1012057&nav=3YeXCNgu http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20021114/1042844.asp http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news02/111502_news_albright.shtml
5 posted on 11/18/2002 1:18:06 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Paleo Conservative
Brought a crowbar to a gunfight.
6 posted on 11/18/2002 1:27:06 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Paleo Conservative
Brought a crowbar to a gunfight.
7 posted on 11/18/2002 1:27:19 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Vic3O3; cavtrooper21
Ping!
8 posted on 11/18/2002 1:29:06 PM PST by dd5339
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To: Paleo Conservative
Borla should have shot him a couple of times.

It's usually illegal to shoot someone in the back. Even if they deserve it.

9 posted on 11/18/2002 1:33:42 PM PST by templar
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To: WalterGR
Guns are not evil...

How can wood, plastic and various types of meltal be evil?

humans are evil.
10 posted on 11/18/2002 1:36:57 PM PST by 12.7x99mm
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To: WalterGR
Hoplophobia
11 posted on 11/18/2002 1:46:55 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: templar
It's usually illegal to shoot someone in the back. Even if they deserve it.

Even while that person is threatening the life of another person with a deadly weapon (crowbar)?

12 posted on 11/18/2002 2:02:12 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: WalterGR
If there are 3 stories reported, there are 3,000 unreported, most requiring only a display of the gun to ward off the would be attacker because the police are likely to arrest the innocent and charge them with brandishing a weapon or reckless endangerment for being so foolish as th assume that they have the right to self defense.
13 posted on 11/18/2002 2:13:36 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Paleo Conservative

It's usually illegal to shoot someone in the back. Even if they deserve it.

Even while that person is threatening the life of another person with a deadly weapon (crowbar)?

Well, there's the blow-through issue; according to the story the Good Guy had a .44, and both .44 Spl and .44 Magnum would be likely to exit the Bad Guy and perhaps hit an Innocent downrange.

Besides, a capture's better than a kill. The Bad Guy couldn't fight and gave up to the Good Guy.

14 posted on 11/18/2002 2:17:45 PM PST by Chemist_Geek
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To: Paleo Conservative
Even while that person is threatening the life of another person with a deadly weapon (crowbar)?

Unfortunately, in most circumstances, yes. District Attorneys tend to go after anyone doing this (shooting someone in the back) is most instances. Some States commendably excepted. Even if a jury aquits you, you will often have lost all of your savings, your home, your family, your job or business, etc. It costs a lot, in both money and family, to prove your innocence. And in most Jurisdictions today, if you shoot someone with any doubt at all that you could have avoided it, you will be presumed guilty until you prove yourself innocent. I don't much like it, but I will probably never get on a Jury where my beliefs will matter.

15 posted on 11/18/2002 5:06:02 PM PST by templar
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To: 12.7x99mm
humans are evil.

That would be a Christian view; that evil originates in the heart of man. Don't expect it to factor into liberal reasoning that believes our behavior originates in our environent.

16 posted on 11/18/2002 5:10:01 PM PST by templar
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To: WalterGR

17 posted on 11/18/2002 8:58:06 PM PST by strela
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To: Paleo Conservative; dd5339; cavtrooper21
Borla grabbed his .44-caliber gun, came up behind Valsecchi and ordered him to drop the crowbar and lie on the ground. Borla should have shot him a couple of times.

Alas, the perp complied with the order to desist & go prone...

18 posted on 11/19/2002 6:14:21 AM PST by Vic3O3
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To: templar
Even while that person is threatening the life of another person with a deadly weapon (crowbar)?

Yes. Now if the guy with the crowbar turned around to face the guy with the gun, it would be a different story, and probably with a much different outcome.

19 posted on 11/20/2002 7:27:46 AM PST by pray4liberty
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