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The Free State Project: A Project for Idaho
Idaho Observer via Sierra Times ^ | 11/16/02 | Hari Heath

Posted on 11/18/2002 7:26:58 AM PST by Jack Black

The Free State Project: A Project for Idaho

What is a "free state"? Whatever a free state is, it's certainly not being served and protected by regimes posing as constitutionally authorized state and federal governments. Our current government has all the trappings of a police state; they are managed through emergency proclamations, executive orders, bureaucratic mandates and judicial fiat. We are further whipped into a frenzy by the propagandists of terror who have been given unconscionable and unconstitutional license by the corporately purchased buffoons in the legislative branch. Our nation no longer bears any real resemblance to the government our founders intended.

From any direction you look at it, ethically, constitutionally, economically or politically, the regimes posing as our state and federal governments are bankrupt. A “free state?” Not hardly.

Many people talk about freedom, but few individuals try to do something about it. Regime change now has become a popular concept, but how? Anyone who has tried to organize even a local group to promote freedom issues will understand the impossible task of weaning 280 million American souls off the nipples of socialism and moving them toward liberty. The federal reptile with its countless bureaucratic tentacles, gnashing law enforcement fangs and seemingly limitless mammary secretions is just too much beast to tangle with.

So start small. Just such a “Free State Project” has already begun. Conceived in July of 2001 and organized by September, the Free State Project (FSP) already has over 1400 committed members. Under the motto of “Liberty in our Lifetime” and under the seal of the green porcupine, the FSP is for people who, “don't want to wait decades for most citizens in the U. S. to realize the nanny state is an insult to their dignity.”

How?

“The Free State Project is a plan in which 20,000 or more liberty-oriented people will move to a single state of the U. S. to secure there a free society. We will accomplish this by first reforming state law, opting out of federal mandates and, finally, negotiating directly with the federal government for appropriate political autonomy. We will be a community of freedom-loving individuals and families, and create a shining example of liberty for the rest of the nation and the world.”

A stellar idea, but what are the plans to accomplish this? Once the membership reaches 5,000, the state will be chosen and that is where the free-staters will move. The FSP is doing extensive research on all the candidate states. Many criteria are being considered with 10 states in the running: Alaska, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Vermont, Delaware, Maine, New Hampshire, South Dakota and Wyoming.

Criteria for a Free State

States with a population of approximately 1.2 million or less are being considered as viable locations for 20,000 liberty activists to infiltrate existing government and create a free state. The FSP's numbers are based on history and a statistical analysis of other independent party politics, such as the Parti Quebecois (PQ). The PQ began in 1967 as a coalition 3rd party that was formed from dissident Liberal Party members and smaller pro-independence parties. With only one out of every 62 citizens paid PQ party members, the PQ achieved a parliamentary majority nine years after it formed.

The FSP is specifically not affiliated with any political party, but rather a coalition of “libertarians, classical liberals, constitutionalists and others who believe that, at a maximum, the role of civil government should be the protection of citizens' rights to life, liberty and property.”

The FSP welcomes any liberty-oriented people. The FSP has adopted the porcupine as its “don't-tread-on-me” mascot.

The primary goal is to first achieve a majority in the legislature and then work towards filling the other branches of government. Just as many formerly “democratic” politicians in Idaho have infiltrated and became “republicans” to join with the party in power, FSP members can infiltrate the two dominant parties and take them over or support the various 3rd parties and raise them to greater political standing. Are there 20,000 republican and democratic activists in Idaho now? Imagine what 20,000 FSP members, dedicated to liberty, could do to the dominant parties at the local and state level.

Other considerations for a state where a free economy and society will be viable include the current funding levels of the republican and democratic parties; the native political culture and its orientation towards liberty; the economic freedom index; gun control and home schooling laws. A state with a coastline and ports or a border with Canada are considered more viable for “free-market policies” than landlocked states. There is even a criteria for the “lazy” factor -- the percentage of the population that is employed by federal, state and local governments.

And there is a many-faceted consideration generally falling under the term “quality of life.” Climate, projected jobs growth, crime rates, per capita income relative to the cost of living, and population density are given a more subjective evaluation.

Federal Equations

The amount of federal land ownership in a state is being considered for both positive and negative factors. “More federal land ownership might mean an excuse for federal meddling in the state, but it could also mean a legitimate grievance for the state's citizens.”

Federal dependence, particularly whether a state receives more or less federal funding than it pays in federal taxes, is also factor being given important consideration. States that get more federal handouts than they pay for are likely to be harder to wean from federal socialism.

The federal government claims to own two-thirds of Idaho and there are considerable grounds for Idaho citizens to have a legitimate grievance. Especially when history, the current lethargic federal management schemes and the constitutional facts of life are considered. The federal Constitution prohibits the federal government from owning any lands within a state except for certain military purposes and other needful buildings. The Idaho Constitution conveyed all property of the Idaho territory to the new state upon admission to the union. But unconstitutional Presidential Proclamations usurped much of the Idaho public lands soon after it became a state (see The Big Lie, http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20010802.htm)

Why doesn't Idaho resume management of the public lands fraudulently held by the federal government? Because the current political powers in Idaho don't want to rock the boat and risk losing their federal handouts. What would be the result if Free State activists assumed a majority position in state government and chose to give up all the federal handouts (which they plan to do anyway) and reassumed the two-thirds of Idaho that was unconstitutionally “taken?”

Resources?

One criteria that appears to be missing from the FSP's evaluation of the states is resources. Especially natural ones. How can a state be independent and self reliant without the means to do so? The resource oversight is understandable, since many of the FSP's founders are from the eastern states, where resources are more likely to be acquired in commerce than by development.

The relative qualities and quantities of each prospective state's resources appears to have escaped the FSP's consideration. The western states typically have a much greater quantity and diversity of resources than the eastern states and have populations of people who know what to do with them.

Ultimately, a Choice

The Free Staters, or porcupines as they call themselves, will eventually have an election to choose a state. Instead of the conventional one person, one vote election, the FSP will give each member 10 votes to cast all for one state or divide among several different states. The current poll on the FSP's web site gives the following results:

New Hampshire 26%; Montana 14%; Wyoming 11%; Delaware 10%; Maine 8%; Alaska 8%; Idaho 8%; Vermont 6%; North Dakota 3%; South Dakota 25%.

FSP members will vote for a state when there are 5,000 FSP members and within three years from the beginning of the project or the effort will disband.

A Free State for Idaho?

Idaho is already under consideration to become the Free State. Under various criteria and popular choice, Idaho falls somewhere near the middle of the pack under most criteria. Idaho has more diverse opportunities than most of the other states in contention. Idaho has moderate climates, a pre-existing “liberty” culture, varied geography and economic opportunities and a quality of life that can be enjoyed from remote wilderness settings to modern, urban environments.

Formerly known as the gem state, Idaho has abundant gems, precious and industrial metals and minerals. Mining was one of the first post-European settlement activities.

Many of Idaho's native peoples have established tribal gaming enterprises. The proceeds enhance their tribal interests and provide additional revenue for schools and other infrastructures. Idaho native populations might be naturally inclined to support the FSP.

Agriculture is common throughout Idaho and is a major component of the Idaho economy.

Idaho has supplied a wide variety of forest products for well over a century. We also have wilderness areas nearly the size of New Hampshire and other forest lands. With 20,000 activists to help wean us from federal hand-outs and work to reassume ownership of Idaho's federally-occupied public lands, prospects could be good for Idahoans. An accountable state government and the teeth of our current State Constitution's corporations article, could provide excellent management of our public lands while preventing some of the past corporate abuses of Idaho's resources.

Recreation has become dominant in many areas that were formerly timber and mining areas. White-water rafting, skiing, snowmobiling, hunting, fishing, boating and hiking are now major parts of the Idaho economy and common Idaho pastimes.

Idaho, especially once you step out of the Boise beltway (where the socialists in office “work” and play), is one of America's few remaining liberty cultures. Those who have been here a generation or more are likely to have come from that independent pioneer stock. More recent migrations have seen many who wanted to get away from the big city only to bring it all with them. So Idaho now has a mix of urban/suburban comfortable living and rugged, rural lifestyle opportunities.

Idaho Politics?

Politically, Idaho has been dominated by Republicans for years. There are many reasons for this. Generally, Idaho is an independent, conservative and individualistic society. Traditionally north Idaho is the main refuge for Democrats. Those Democrats, however, tend to behave somewhat like Republicans. On the other hand, many “Democrats” joined the Republican party some time ago so they could get elected. So some of our Republicans tend to behave like Democrats.

The libertarians of Northern Idaho fielded more candidates this year than the Democrats did and several have a decent chance of winning, especially after the legislature overturned the people's initiative for term limits last year. Incumbents who voted to repeal term limits may get the boot.

Given the weak standing of the nearly DOA Democratic party, it would not take a monumental effort for the Libertarians to become the second most powerful party. That would provide the opportunity to inject Libertarian issues into the Idaho political debate. Most Idahoans are unfamiliar with the Libertarian platform. There are a lot of Libertarians in Idaho that just don't know it yet. The Constitution party has also made a good showing this year, with good potential for improvement.

If the FSP moves to Idaho, a “Liberty Party” or coalition of Libertarians, Constitution Party members and free-thinking Republicans could be put together to develop some in-state political clout and challenge Idaho's Republican guard.

Twenty-thousand liberty activists could go a long way in Idaho. Idaho uses the caucus system. In some of the smaller counties, it is not inconceivable for 10 or 20 “activists” to show up at either the Republican or Democratic caucus,' take over, run their own candidates, and knock incumbents and conventional candidates down to write-in status.

The Free State Project: A Project for Idaho

An unintended result of so many activists moving to a state with a liberty agenda would be the eventual exodus-out of dyed-in-the wool socialists. Those who want to get their good life from the taxes of others will have to move to greener pastures once the “bennies” dry up.

The wheels of socialism have been turning in Idaho like anywhere else in modern America. There will be resistance from the “there-otta-be-a-law” politicians currently in power. And the hordes of agency employees will not go away with out a fight.

Guns?

Guns are a traditional component of Idaho culture. Concealed carry permits are easy to get as long as you provide fingerprints and pass a federal background check. Only convicted felons, drug addicts and the mentally infirm can be denied a concealed carry permit in Idaho. Permit holders are excluded from the federal waiting period and background checks for gun purchases. State law allows concealed carry without a permit when you are not in a vehicle or an incorporated town.

Alternative Schooling?

Home schooling is common in Idaho with some reasonable cooperation between public schools and home schoolers on some extra-curricular activities. Many home schoolers teach their children completely without government involvement. Charter schools began a few years ago in Idaho, in what is essentially a state-funded private school program. Time will tell how “private” charter schools can remain on public funds.

Climate and Geography

Idaho has a wide variety of climates, terrain and regions. Central Idaho is largely rugged wilderness and mountains that separate the other regions of Idaho. Mostly small towns and rural settings dominate central Idaho. Climate varies with the elevation from high country covered with snow until July, to river bottoms and canyons that provide good gardening opportunities.

Northern Idaho is a mix of mountains, valleys and prairies. Warm summers and moderate winters are common at the lower elevations. Climate is influenced more often by coastal weather than the central prairies. Couer d'Alene is the major city in North Idaho, which is dotted with many medium to smaller towns.

Southwestern Idaho contains the majority of Idaho's population and its political, economic and industrial base. The Treasure Valley around the greater Boise area has a climate with hot summers and moderate winters. Urban and suburban development along the Snake River is surrounded by active agricultural production.

Eastern Idaho is a mix of high desert, mountains and agriculturally developed prairies. Several eastern cities provide urban living opportunities, with many medium to small communities scattered across the mostly open terrain.

Idaho provides a vast array of rural living opportunities. High mountains, river valleys and canyons, the southern and eastern desert areas, the prairies and plains, offer many diverse relocation choices for the “porcupines” of the FSP.

Economic Opportunities?

Idaho ranks number one on the FSP's projected jobs growth analysis and their economic freedom index. Contrary to the FSP's listing, Idaho does have a port in Lewiston where many commercial products are barged up and down the Snake and Columbia Rivers. Rail service is available throughout Idaho. Idaho shares a short border with Canada.

The Case for Idaho

Consider the alternatives. If you're going to live somewhere, climate is important. It's easy to theorize about the relative importance of climate from an office in Florida or a house in California. How many FSP porcupines want to hole up in Wyoming or the Dakotas for a high-plains winter? How many would be able to brave a harsh Alaskan winter and still be there in the spring? FSP meetings may not be all that well attended come February.

If you want to attract a following it needs to be attractive for the long haul. A free state is not a one-year project. A cool but not too cold Idaho canyon like the Clearwater, the Snake or the Salmon might be more preferable in January than say, Bismarck, North Dakota.

And just what is the resource base of say, New Hampshire? How do free-staters plan to build a free-market export economy? Maple Syrup and hardwood flooring? Idaho already has diverse and productive resources in greater quantity than all the eastern state candidates combined. It also has the best economic prognosis according to the FSP's own data.

The federal Constitution only authorizes federal ownership of lands within a state for four specific types of military purposes and other needful buildings. Once this fact becomes more widely known, and the federal usurpation of two-thirds of Idaho is properly challenged by 20,000 porcupines (and a few more locals), we can “finally negotiate directly with the federal government for appropriate political autonomy.” That's a lot of Idaho to build a free state with.

The political climate of Idaho is ripe for positive change. The republican majority in the legislature has upset much of the electorate by repealing a thrice passed term limits law. The democrats are nearly DOA, and have been for years. The libertarians have made record progress and the Constitution Party is alive and well. That doesn't mean there aren't also a lot of lawyers, lobbyists and socialists, eager to maintain business as usual.

Let's get real. How many liberty-loving westerners would actually cross the Mississippi and live? Easterners may like it there, but I don't think too many westerners could call it home -- even if we were the government. I've never been there, but I'll bet “rural” Vermont looks a lot more like “suburban” Idaho with deciduous trees. Size matters. And population density too.

Easterners and westerners are two different breeds of people. Are there only 20,000 liberty-oriented activists left in America? Eastern porcupines would certainly be welcome out west, but what about a free state east and a free state west? We could alternate our annual free state convention and compare notes.

In all fairness there are a lot of good things that can be said about Montana as a choice for the FSP. Wyoming? Nevada? Maybe. But Idaho, formerly known as the gem state, Idaho and its famous potatoes legislature pushing to be known as the “tolerance” state, would make a great free state. I like it already, Idaho, “The Free State.”

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Note to Marylanders: Maryland has been known as "The Free State" since the nineteen twenties, when Baltimore Sun editor Hamilton Owens proposed seceding from the federal union rather than going along with Prohibition.

Things change however, and from here in the Western States Maryland looks like nothing more than an appendage of the District of Columbia: bedroom communities and office parks supporting federal leechism.

Should Maryland still be called "The Free State" or should the mantle pass to another displaying the appropriate fruits?

To borrow from Benjamin Franklin, the moniker is yours "if you can keep it."

Idahoans and other porcupine types can register their vote in the FSP's poll at:

www.freestateproject.org


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: atatime; fixingthings; freestateproject; fsp; idaho; libertarians; liberty; limitedgovernment; onestate; porcupines
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To: Roscoe; claidheamh mor
To: Roscoe
http://www.cato.org
http://www.reason.org
And people still say libertarians don't have solutions? Morons...
# 92 by claidheamh mor
To: claidheamh mor
Lemme know when they solve something.
# 93 by Roscoe
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Libertarians solved the problem of how to create a government that would operate under a written rule of law, and created a government that interfered as little as possible with the rights of men.

I think that libertarians have proven that their ideas produce results.

161 posted on 11/19/2002 11:19:15 PM PST by exodus
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; wimpycat
To: wimpycat
Of course, Free State Idaho will have law enforcement - in the form of Sheriffs, who are worshipped by these guys.

The Sheriffs will quickly become the Lord High Sheriff, corrupt and absolute in their exercise of power - and will be dislodged only by much blood and mayhem (which is of course the stock in trade of these fanatics).
# 20 by Chancellor Palpatine
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Libertariams worship corrupt law enforcement officers? Libertarians love violence? Sheriffs will become "Lords," and terrorize the State?

You've been watching too much "Robin Hood," Palpatine.

On top of that, you're deliberately lying about what libertarian principles are.

Society cannot operate without laws; that's why our Founders created a nation governed by the rule of law.

162 posted on 11/19/2002 11:29:09 PM PST by exodus
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To: home educate
So, according to your logic, (since a nation is an extention of a family), I could concievably self-appoint myself as a member of your family and equally participate in its daily affairs? No need to answer my rethorical question. If we follow your logic, the answer must be YES.
# 136 by home educate
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The nation is not an extension of a family, home educate.

Where do you get that idea? Libertarians aren't "new agers." We believe in old fashioned values.

Even though we all may be "children of God," I'll still shoot you if you break into my home.

You DO NOT have the right to move into my house, nor to participate in my life, nor to talk to me if I don't want to be bothered by you.

163 posted on 11/19/2002 11:38:47 PM PST by exodus
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To: Cultural Jihad; Poohbah; Roscoe; wimpycat; Kevin Curry; Boot Hill; VaBthang4
To: Poohbah; Roscoe; wimpycat; Kevin Curry; Boot Hill; VaBthang4
"...Imagine how ludicrous it is that grown adults would seriously contemplate moving to some far-away place just for the express purpose of inflicting their cruel toleration upon their neighbors..."
# 139 by Cultural Jihad
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Libertarian principles created this country.

Cultural Jihad, you say that libertarians want to force their cruel intolerance upon their innocent neighbors.

If so, why did libertarians bother with a Constitution? Why recognize the God-given rights of men, and then charge the government to refrain from interfering with those rights? Why create a system of justice where all men are equal under the law?

Libertarian principles are all that protect our rights. Socialist views like the ones you promote would destroy the rule of law.

164 posted on 11/20/2002 12:01:31 AM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
Are you going to join the free state project? I think it is a great idea. Hell you guys could show us dolts how it could be. Go for it, I support the project 100%. I hope the population of the state that is targeted for liberation is enlightened enough to accept it. I am sure they will be happy to see all 20,000 freedom fighters that will lead them to the promise land. Your name fits right in doesn't it?
165 posted on 11/20/2002 12:06:38 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Poohbah; wimpycat
To: wimpycat
"...These guys do not understand the history of the regions they are thinking of inhabiting. The range wars of the West were the result of rigidly Libertarian laws regarding water allocation (i.e., no law at all)..."
# 134 by Poohbah
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Our libertarian forefathers created a nation based upon the rule of law. I'd say that is strong evidence that your claim of anarchism is wrong.

Society cannot survive without laws to regulate bad behavior.

Any libertarian would tell you that, Poohbah.

We advocate limited government, not no government. There is a difference.

166 posted on 11/20/2002 12:11:07 AM PST by exodus
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To: Texasforever
To: exodus
Are you going to join the free state project? I think it is a great idea. Hell you guys could show us dolts how it could be. Go for it, I support the project 100%. I hope the population of the state that is targeted for liberation is enlightened enough to accept it. I am sure they will be happy to see all 20,000 freedom fighters that will lead them to the promise land. Your name fits right in doesn't it?
# 165 by Texasforever
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"Freedom fighters," Texasforever? You're reading more into this than I've seen. Freedom "voters" would be closer to the truth. They don't advocate force, but instead support a lawful assumption of power.

My "name" has nothing to do with my beliefs, Texasforever. In this case, your own name would fit me better. If they move into Texas, I'll be glad to vote with them. I will stay here, however, if they chose to go to a different State.

167 posted on 11/20/2002 12:18:06 AM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
If they move into Texas, I'll be glad to vote with them. I will stay here, however, if they chose to go to a different State.

Texas is not on the list. Sorry. Hell you really need to get with this program. It may just work and you can experience the joys of liberation in all its glory. Be a pioneer, join up. Be a big fish in a small pond for once. I want to see libertarianism in its full glory....don't you?

168 posted on 11/20/2002 12:22:46 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: exodus
Libertarian principles created this country.

Nonsense.

169 posted on 11/20/2002 12:24:53 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: exodus
Libertarians solved the problem of how to create a government that would operate under a written rule of law

False.

170 posted on 11/20/2002 12:25:24 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Texasforever
I wonder how long it would be before they were starving?
171 posted on 11/20/2002 12:28:21 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: AAABEST
Pretty foul post.
172 posted on 11/20/2002 12:29:23 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
I wonder how long it would be before they were starving?

With the massive munchies in the first week of liberation I would give them a month before the junk food runs out and then the WOTwinkies will create a new “police state” .

173 posted on 11/20/2002 12:32:56 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: exodus
Yeah yeah...

Got it.

"Win" [not "also-ran"] a federal election then give me a call.

174 posted on 11/20/2002 12:42:29 AM PST by VaBthang4
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To: exodus
" Libertarian principles " did NOT " create this country ". As a matter of fact, Libertarians have purloined some of its supposed " principles " and claim that they invented them / that the FFs were Libertarians; all the while, denying factual history.

If you, for one moment, believe that the FFs and those who lived here during the Revolution and immediately afterwards, were NOT intolerant of much and did NOT " want to impose their " cruel " intolerence on others ", then you don't even know the most basic of things about history or about America !

In colonial times and down to only a few decades prior to today, there were laws against pornography, public lewdness, public intoxication, racial inetrmarriage, prostitution, sodomy, oral sex between even married couples, homosexuality, not attending church, gossipping,gambling, abortion, premarital sex, adultry ( which, BTW, is STILL on the books in Washington,D.C. ! ),stores / business being done on Sundays,blacks voting, women voting, and a whole panaply of other " intolerent " things that Libertarians are for.

Libertarians did NOT ( since they only became a subspecies of a fringe political party about 30 years ago ) write the Constitution, frame the BoR, become president, start this nations, nor any of the other wildly delusional things that you have written or think.

Oh and BTW, Jefferson, for all of the " good " that he did, was also pretty bad , re Libertarian positions. He kept slaves, he was a profligate, and had a losuy take on some foreign policy matters. Heck, he did NOT even bother to go to Congress, so that they could " declare war ", before he went after the Barbary pirates. He also almost got us involved in the French Revolution !

175 posted on 11/20/2002 12:44:55 AM PST by nopardons
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To: VaBthang4
"No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved," wrote Samuel Adams in 1775. "On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders."

http://www.ocregister.com/commentary/columns/greenhut/2002/greenhut20020707.shtml
176 posted on 11/20/2002 12:47:13 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Poohbah; Joe Hadenuf
Your right! But there are millions of American's that have "hadenuf" of the current state of affairs and the two party cartel in DC.
To: Joe Hadenuf
Uh, Joe...if there are that many people who've "hadenuf" of the GOP and the Democrats...then how come the GOP or the Democrats are the ones who win the elections?
# 135 by Poohbah
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The major parties win elections because the electorate has swallowed the propaganda that we have a "two-party" system of government.

Because of the belief that we are a two-party nation, and because of the further belief that there's no difference between the two parties, a large segment of our people don't vote at all, under the assumption that their vote doesn't matter. Another large segment votes for the 'lessor of two evils" in the hope that they can at least slow the erosion of our freedom.

Remember the "Contract with America, Poohbah? Those lawmakers were elected because they convinced voters that they wouldn't act like normal Republicans, but instead would restore the nation to conservative values.

The lies worked; people who usually wouldn't bother to vote went to the polls to elect "real" conservatives, and the Republican Party took over both houses of Congress.

Funny, when the voters found out that their new conservative Republicans were no more conservative than the old Republicans, seats were lost in both the House and the Senate.

Right now, citizens have swallowed the "can't win" mythology put upon the libertarian candidates by both major parties, just as voters fell for the lie that Alan Keyes could never win, even though everyone agreed that Keyes was the best fit as the "idea" conservative Republican candidate.

The Republican leadership wanted the liberal Bush as it's candidate, even though that leadership claims to promote "conservative" values.

The conservative base of the Party was betrayed again, just as it was when the Contract with America was abandoned.

177 posted on 11/20/2002 12:48:55 AM PST by exodus
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To: nopardons
In colonial times and down to only a few decades prior to today, there were laws against pornography, public lewdness, public intoxication, racial inetrmarriage, prostitution, sodomy, oral sex between even married couples, homosexuality, not attending church, gossipping,gambling, abortion

Facts! No fair!!!

178 posted on 11/20/2002 12:49:26 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Libertarian principles created this country.
- exodus
To: exodus
Nonsense.
# 169 by Roscoe
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Really?

Then tell me, Roscoe; what principles were followed in the creation of our country?

179 posted on 11/20/2002 12:51:52 AM PST by exodus
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To: Roscoe
I ALWAYS post facts. That's the problem with so many Libertarians ; they don't know any and often refuse to admit that such things exist. :-)
180 posted on 11/20/2002 12:53:37 AM PST by nopardons
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