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Posted on 11/15/2002 2:23:23 PM PST by RJCogburn
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To: Jael
so what is your standard for judging between spiritual and pigheaded or foolish?
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posted on
11/15/2002 6:37:04 PM PST
by
Woahhs
To: Lurking2Long
Again, I submit to you that children have difficulty separating fact from fiction...therein lies the inherent danger of the book... It would appear they have less difficulty than some adults.
To: CharacterCounts
Isn't it amazing that some people who would say they believe in personal responsibility and individual freedom are so quick to step in and tell other people that they're bad parents or just bad people because of a series of books?
183
posted on
11/15/2002 6:42:44 PM PST
by
JenB
To: Woahhs
Is there any reason to answer with anger and ugly words? Why does this cause such a reaction of those types in you? I have not insulted you, why must you try and do so?
184
posted on
11/15/2002 6:43:21 PM PST
by
Jael
To: Jael
Why did you include me in that ping?
It's called freedom man. Tend your little plot of garden, worship your God and let the rest of us tend ours. I'm not going to try to convert you- why should you try to convert me? You don't want to go watch it? Don't. I enjoyed it though. I don't care if you consider it an offense to God or not- I really, really don't.
To: JenB
Isn't it amazing that some people who would say they believe in personal responsibility and individual freedom are so quick to step in and tell other people that they're bad parents or just bad people because of a series of books? Not really. People with spiritual lives that are dead often try to convince themselves otherwise by finding ways of trumpeting their orthodoxy. That way they can fixate on the argument of the moment and forget that they are being ignored by the Almighty.
186
posted on
11/15/2002 6:47:30 PM PST
by
Woahhs
To: Jael
Children were posting there, sharing with each other how Harry Potter had gotten them interested in spells and other aspects of the occult. Oh, Horrors.
Go ahead on and try any "spell" in the Potter series..
Anything happen?
Nope. It's literature, a story.
Want to see real evil? Look to the muslims.
To: null and void
I make no apology for believing in and trusting what God says.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
188
posted on
11/15/2002 6:48:39 PM PST
by
Jael
To: Cultural Jihad
Boorishness is not nearly as slippery and dangerous as judgmentalism is. I'm confused. You've indicated that boorishness is better than judgementalism.
Aristotle's ethics has boorishness as a vice, and righteous indignation as a virtue. And Ayn Rand's ethics holds that the purpose of the human mind is to make judgements using reason.
The religious saying "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is flawed in that it's telling people to avoid using their mind, and reason.
To: Woahhs
Hmm. Most other Christians I know have no opinion on Potter, or don't mind it. I have known a few in RL who freak out like this. They tend to be the legalistic type who don't believe in having fun on Sundays.
I'm not sure I'd paint with such a broad brush, though. I'm Christian and I'm pretty sure God doesn't have a problem with me reading Harry Potter. If I ever think otherwise I'll stop reading them immediately.
190
posted on
11/15/2002 6:49:56 PM PST
by
JenB
To: JenB
Isn't it amazing that people who claim to be good moral parents actually expose their child to the violence and filth in Harry Potter and then can't deal when others comment???
191
posted on
11/15/2002 6:50:34 PM PST
by
Jael
To: Jael
My mother read the books before she let me read them to my younger brothers. She didn't have any problem with them. Neither did my father, who has undergone some theological training.
By the way, I'll give you "violence" - not that much in the first few, but there's a little more in the latest - but not the filth. And these aren't books for six year olds, you know!
Do you approve of fairy tales?
192
posted on
11/15/2002 6:52:56 PM PST
by
JenB
To: 50sDad
Wow. Great thread. When Ministers attack things such as Harry Potter, they really look dumb and the media picks up on it to illustrate the point that people who follow God are "Weird or crazy."
I find it ironic that the press will ignore religious stories of Musim Hatred but will concentrate on the Minister from Maine that says Harry Potter is evil.
Great post. Perhaps someday the press will care more about Wahibi Death Cults then a Minister insulting Harry Potter, but I dont count on it.
I think I will play some Computer D+D now! :D
193
posted on
11/15/2002 6:53:42 PM PST
by
Arioch7
To: Jael
Please do not misunderstand me. I am being descriptive, I'm not calling names. It was a real question. If you don't know what would prove an idea wrong, you won't recognize it if it shows up. I have known many people who had deeply held beliefs, and they were wrong. Trouble is, you couldn't convince them otherwise because they would appeal to exactly the same passages you refered to.
194
posted on
11/15/2002 6:54:07 PM PST
by
Woahhs
To: Jael
I make no apology for believing in and trusting what God says. I make no apology for recognizing that the Bible is chock full of sin, albeit as examples of what not to do...
To: Jael; Lurking2Long
Then why would you judge Lurker?
His statements were illustrative of the blind leading the blind. To remain silent about the pit they are heading for would be most uncharitable, but even so I would never presume to judge the state of grace of his or anyone's soul. As it is written, "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
To: Prodigal Son
"Why did you include me in that ping?"
It's called freedom man. A duty to inform my fellow citizens of the content of a dastardly movie. There was no intent to convert anyone. For that you would have to hear and believe the Gospel. What I posted was in regards to 1.The actual filthy violent content of the movie. 2. What God says about such things.
Blessings,
197
posted on
11/15/2002 6:55:07 PM PST
by
Jael
To: thinktwice
"The religious saying "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is flawed in that it's telling people to avoid using their mind, and reason."
Oh no. Actually the context of that verse is concerning judging someone involved in a sin you are involved in. For instance, were I having an affair, I would be best served by keeping my mouth shut about what Bill Clinton did.
In actuality, I believe that a Christian should judge certain things. It is needful for discernment.
But you judged Lurker yourself by calling him boorish, but then faulted judgment.
I found your comment to be a contradiction. If you are offended at what he said or did, you certainly wouldn't want to do the same. But you did.
198
posted on
11/15/2002 7:01:30 PM PST
by
Jael
To: Jael
A duty to inform my fellow citizens of the content of a dastardly movie. Which dastardly movie was that? Ishtar? Harry Potter was a good movie. My opinion counts just as much as yours- yes or no? I say it was good. Which part of the movie did you object to? Assuming you've seen it, of course.
Are you in communication with God at the moment? Am I? How do you know? Maybe God was sitting with me in the theatre enjoying the movie too. I say he was. Prove he wasn't.
To: Woahhs
Did you know that 7 is Jesus' favorite number?
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