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Iraq air defenses fire on coalition aircraft (MATERIAL BREACH)
Fox News Channel | 11/15/2002 | FNC

Posted on 11/15/2002 2:20:44 PM PST by Libertarian4Bush

FNC reports that Iraq air defenses fire on coalition aircraft at 2:50 EST


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KEYWORDS: iraqfireunbreach
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To: AZ Navy Vet
actually no, you are wrong... and it has been classified as a material breach in fact.

nice try.
101 posted on 11/15/2002 6:11:59 PM PST by recalcitrant
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To: Publius Maximus
"Dubya needs to establish the precedent of what "zero tolerance" means, right now."

He already has. He never kept his broad plan for Iraq a secret. It's just that not enough people were listening to him. The media's tinfoil hat theories kinda overrode the voice of the president.

102 posted on 11/15/2002 6:20:57 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Route66
You are right. We will eventually break with the Europeans and we won't be counting on Blix to make our case for us. But we will probably wait for something we can present to the American people and the world - with a few pics from orbit and other show and tell items to make our case. [Something like the way the Kennedy administration showed the missiles in Cuba after they and the USSR swore that they were not there.]

Yes, I imagine something like the Security Counsel in session, and our guy:

1. Shows them a blank sheet of paper, which is what Saddam says he has;

2. Then he circulates a list and does the map and photos on the easel thing to fully document Saddam's lies;

3. And then to conclude he passes out another sheet of paper, and announces that while he has been talking, our military have been at work, and this is what is left of Saddam's material breach.

I do hope that we get some good close-up views on TV of the French ambassador as his jaw drops all the way down to his shoes!

103 posted on 11/15/2002 6:26:37 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: Publius Maximus
"Dubya needs to establish the precedent of what "zero tolerance" means, right now."

Important point you make.

Bush did say "ZERO TOLERANCE" ... now didn't he?

I wonder if this is like "no new taxes," or removing the taliban from power in afghanistan... bunker buster style?

Hope it's the latter... the arab street needs to be gang banged by the big dogs a few times, till they get it right...

allah is for naught, and he has neither virgins or kevlar... I think it's way past time for a little roast and toast.

I imagine the personnell manning those radar emplacements are like most combatants after eating a hellfire missile or ten... burned toast and ashes. Fries go with our shakes.

105 posted on 11/15/2002 6:30:24 PM PST by recalcitrant
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To: Libertarian4Bush
Under 1441 (brought under chapter7 of tha charter) says, "firing on any UN member" is a material breach.
106 posted on 11/15/2002 6:33:48 PM PST by ChadGore
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To: AZ Navy Vet
Thanks.
107 posted on 11/15/2002 6:41:50 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Even the Liberal NPR report this morning notes that the no-fly zones were set up pursuant to a UN resolution. He needs to go back to DU and get his story straight. LOL.

108 posted on 11/15/2002 7:04:22 PM PST by WOSG
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To: WOSG
It's a bit more vague than that. There is a UN resolution (691, I think) concerning protection of the Kurds. The US decided it would take a no-fly zone to enforce it. Iraq has never agreed to it. It was NOT a part of the cease fire.

So we say we're supporting UN resolutions, and Iraq says we are not. Personally, I don't give a tinker's damn about UN resolutions - we have a cease fire with Iraq, and should be able to do anything we please...

109 posted on 11/15/2002 7:08:59 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
Truth may be vague (yet I think "pursuant to UN resolution" is close enough fit to real situation here). But I find it interesting that *NPR* today was saying what this guy was accusing Freepers of saying.

As usual, the Freepers are more on target than the press.
110 posted on 11/15/2002 7:14:05 PM PST by WOSG
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To: Heartlander2
I'm not a military expert, but I think that we can get some advanced knowledge of their defenses by taking a few pokes at them. Light up their radars, check their reaction time, listen to their signals, etc.
111 posted on 11/15/2002 7:41:50 PM PST by Chemnitz
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To: Libertarian4Bush
So much for that provision of the U.N. resolution.
112 posted on 11/15/2002 7:48:08 PM PST by Man of the Right
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To: hchutch
According to one of the "talking head" shows, tonight's Iraqi attack on U.S. and British jets was more serious than past incidents becaue the Iraqis were firing advanced SAMs at our jets, which is something more serious than they have used before.
113 posted on 11/15/2002 8:15:32 PM PST by TennTuxedo
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To: TennTuxedo
The president has said several times...and Rummy, and I believe Cheney...that China hopped up Saddam's scuds so they could fly 2000 miles.
114 posted on 11/15/2002 9:06:16 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Here is the CBSNews report on it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/04/world/main527977.shtml

"When we were working on the resolution we said that Iraq should not take any action that would be hostile act against any member state," says Secretary of State Colin Powell."

Guess that answers this question.................
115 posted on 11/15/2002 9:12:29 PM PST by rockhead
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To: cake_crumb
Thank you Loral and X42
116 posted on 11/15/2002 9:13:46 PM PST by P8riot
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To: hchutch
1. Air bases
2. Communication Headquarters
3. SAM sites
4. Radar stations

We want the Republican Guard to kill Saddam, his closest followers and sons.
117 posted on 11/15/2002 10:04:13 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Libertarian4Bush
In the spirit of the American National Pasttime, we will give them three strikes before they are out!

This will probably be counted as the first strike.
118 posted on 11/15/2002 10:06:26 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: AmericanInTokyo
We welcome the latest DUer, AZ Navy Vet, to visit Free Republic!

AZ Navy Vet signed up 2002-11-15.

They are so obvious the 2-4 weeks before we kill off another batch of their Islamofascist and Islamokazi goat humping buddies. Spouting the same verbage that Saddam is spouting.

119 posted on 11/15/2002 10:10:37 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: AZ Navy Vet
They were set up arbitrarily by the US and UK following DSI and actually are an illegal occupation of a soverign nations' airspace.

Not quite arbitrarily. They were mandated by Da Bear, AKA Storming Norman, and AGREED TO by the Iraqi delegation to the cease fire talks. Norm screwed up and let them fly choppers, supposedly for humanitarian missions due to all the downed bridges and such, but of course what the Iraqis did is bring in Hind Gunships to massacure the Shiites in Basra and to some extent the Kurds in the north.

120 posted on 11/15/2002 11:24:17 PM PST by El Gato
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