Missing Adult, HELP NEEDED (crime in progress?) [SC]

Missing Adult family member -- thread on TimeBomb2000 Forum ^ | 11/15/02 | Prairie Lady

[Cascadians]

This is an urgent plea for help from Prairie Lady; these are her posts: [copied]

I JUST got off the phone with my neice. It seems my sister (her mother) is missing since yesterday between 3pm and 4:40pm yesterday from the SouthCarolina area.

She headed north as far as we can track, but then nothing. This is TOTALLY uncharacteristic of her.

We need to know if she is on her own willingly making decisions, or if she has been abducted and is in need of help. Is there anybody from that area that can help?
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ok, she spoke to hubbie from home via phone about 3 pm yesterday afternoon. She left home at that time saying she was headed for her local walmart near Aynor South Carolina..I don't know the exact town...maybe conroe or something? She never made it to walmart. Survaliance tapes show she never went in there. She withdrew some money from the bank locally. She put gas in her car at the north carolina / south carolina state line (cherry creek). She withdrew a BUNCH of money in Raliegh Durham North Carolina. She spoke to her daughter at 4:30 saying she was going christmas shopping and that she would be late. But she never made it home.

If she had any inclinations to leave home, she never indicated it, and she would NOT be heading NORTH!!

She is 5'7 inches tall, LONG legs, 150 lbs, has very short medium brown hair. lots of freckels, hazel eyes. Driving a Dark Blue BMW 4 door with a mini antennea on the driver's side on the post between the door and the windshield, licence plate # 845HLG
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Go ahead and post it at freeps..thanks
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My brother in law is former military police. He made a call to the police and is tracking bank usage which is showing itself to be very abnormal such as numerous attempts to use the various cards but rejects due to wrong pin numbers. He's requested survalance tapes from the banks as well. She was supposed to go to walmart, but walmart survaliance tapes show she never made it there. So, hes compiling stuff to show that something IS very wrong.

Also, she talked to her daughter AFTER one of the cash drafts and said someting weird to her daughter...like I love you...and she NEVER says that to THAT daughter.

Anyway, I didn't want to put all this on the boards...

This is too weird.
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[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

What's the best way to get this story in O'Reilly's field of vision? He has come down hard on defense attorneys whose clients are so obviously guilty; where the attorneys continue to represent these cases and subvert the truth from leaking to the families of the victims. Cochran comes to mind, as well as Chesterfield's attorneys...Feldman being one of them, I think.

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

updated timeline:

****Monday, NOV. 4th

Chadrick E. Fulks, 25, and Branden L. Basham, 21, escape from the Hopkins County Jail in western Kentucky, by climbing the wall of an enclosed "outdoor" recreation area and pulling loose the chain link-style wire mesh covering it. Authorities remain uncertain the route the two traveled to cover the nearly 10 miles from the jail, west of Madisonville, to Hawkins' residence -- or where they would have ditched their black-and-white striped jail uniforms for the street clothes they were wearing Tuesday night. http://www.myinky.com/ecp/gleaner_news/article/0,1626,ECP_4476_1532557,00.html Officials realized the two were missing at 8:25 a.m. Monday. http://krd.realcities.com/ads/media/network/news/popup.htm


****Tuesday, NOV. 5th

9 p.m. approx. - http://www.myinky.com/ecp/gleaner_news/article/0,1626,ECP_4476_1532557,00.htmlFulks and Basham appear at the Hanson, Ky. home of James Hawkins, 42, fabricating car trouble. The two asked to use the phone and then asked Hawkins to drive them in his truck to a neighborhood store. Hawkins, a soft-spoken man, said he wanted to help. "Next thing you know," Hawkins said, "I had a knife pulled on me." Basham held the knife and told Hawkins to keep driving. http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2002/November/23/LNtop2.htm

Midnight - At approx. midnight, the escapees had the victim exit the truck near Evansville, Ind, where Hawkins was secured by duct tape and an electrical cord to a tree in a field off Old State Road. Fulks and Basham told him they would send someone to free him after they had an opportunity to get away in his (light blue 1989 GMC pickup) truck. No one ever came. Hawkins struggled nearly 15 hours, rubbing the duct tape against the tree until it finally broke & he escaped around 2.pm. Wed. afternoon. http://www.myinky.com/ecp/gleaner_news/article/0,1626,ECP_4476_1532557,00.html


****Wednesday, NOV. 6th

****Thursday, NOV. 7th

****Friday, NOV. 8th


****Saturday, NOV. 9th

Morning- According to police, Tina Severance and another woman made a surprise visit to the home of a Michigan City, Ind., man Severance briefly dated. Severance told the man she happened to be in the area and wanted to take him to breakfast...Before leaving, the other woman unlocked the back door, allowing Severance's ex-boyfriend Fulks and Basham, who were hiding in a car across the street, to gain entry during their absence. http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/news/local/4721358.htm ((Tina was (weeks later) arrested and charged with assisting in the crime. She knew the guy, went to his house with her friend and set this up so the other two could gain access for a weapons robbery. The arrest warrant for Severance states that four handguns and other property were taken in the burglary. The other woman could face charges and Severance may face additional charges.)) http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/news/local/4721358.htm


****Sunday, NOV. 10th

3:53 p.m. - FBI agents in Portage, Ind., located James Hawkins' 1989 GMC Sierra in a Days Inn parking lot. http://www.myinky.com/ecp/news/article/0,1626,ECP_734_1540177,00.html
Police found James Hawkins' truck, at a Days Inn in Portage, in Northern Indiana. http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2002/11/12/ke111202s312189.htm


****Monday, NOV. 11th

5:30 p.m. - Samantha Burns last seen by an aunt around 5:30 p.m. at the Huntington Mall.

9:46 p.m. - Burns called her mother & said she was on her way home from the University Courtyard Apartments in Huntington. Burns lives in West Hamlin, Lincoln County. Samantha Burns said she was visiting a friend at the University Courtyard Apartments near 6th Avenue and 20th Street, Kandi Burns said. "She just told me she was at Brad’s at the courtyard apartments and she was going to be leaving there," she said. Whitney Collins, also of West Hamlin, said Samantha Burns was friends with Brad Fulks, who lives at the University Courtyard Apartments. Collins said she had introduced Samantha Burns to Brad Fulks approximately three weeks before her disappearance. Collins said she and a friend had gone to the movies with Samantha Burns and Brad Fulks on Nov. 8. A spokesman for the FBI and Trooper J. M. Parde of the Huntington detachment said Brad Fulks is not related to Chadrick Fulks. "There is no connection that we’re aware of," Parde said. http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2002/November/22/LNtop1.htm

Fulks and Basham were reportedly seen in Huntington before Burns' disappearance. Fulks has lived in Huntington and is from a nearby county. (The Sun News By Kelly M. Burch) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789797/posts?page=1671#1671 Fulks was born May 16, 1977, in West Hamlin, the same town Burns is from. He lived there several years with his parents, Herman Roger Fulks and Diana Lynn (Holbrook) Fulks, and several brothers and one sister. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789797/posts?q=1&&page=1201#1210

FBI agents in West Virginia have evidence that Samantha Burns’ ATM card was used sometime after her disappearance. http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2002/November/22/LNtop1.htm


****Tuesday, NOV. 12th

Burns' burned-out car was found Nov. 12 on Haney’s Branch Road in Wayne County, near Huntington. http://www.wvgazette.com/news/News/2002111922/


****Wednesday, NOV. 13th


****Thursday, NOV. 14th

mid-morning - Fulks' ex-girlfriend, Tina Severance, 34, and her roommate Andrea Roddy, 26, both of Portage, Ind., said Fulks and Basham - who gave the first name "Tommy" - arrived at their door a few weeks ago. The group traveled from Indiana to Myrtle Beach and checked into their motel mid-morning on Thursday. (The Sun News By Dave Gustafson and David Klepper) Fulks told Severance he loved her, then he and Basham said they were going to make a food run in her minivan "and we never saw them again," she said. The FBI has told the women to stay in Myrtle Beach and has impounded Severance's van. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789797/posts?q=1&&page=1451#1465
Severance said she, her roommate and the two men then decided to take a trip to Myrtle Beach to meet a man named J.D. (By Dave Gustafson and David Klepper
The Sun News - post #1465) & also http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73123034147972&Avis=SJ&Dato=20021123&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=211230333&Ref=AR
says she booked the four a room at the Beach Walk Motel
in Myrtle Beach, a place where Fulks had stayed before. http://www.wpde.com/news/readarchive.asp?article=articles/archive/11-21-02news0.20391845703125

1:45 p.m. - Kentucky escaped convicts burglarize home (of weapons) in Forney. Escapees driving a green van (post #204) ...from Cascadians' post #647 http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAFMMJMO8D.html & http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/news/local/4545736.htm "two men shot at Carl Jordan, who interrupted a break-in at his son's mobile home near Conway. Police said the escapees committed that break-in, in which five guns were stolen...At that break-in, the men were driving a green minivan, which police believe they took after abandoning Hawkins' truck in northern Indiana. After the burglary, the minivan was found in rural Horry County." http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/2002/11/19/news/local/4545341.htm
Police say the van is owned by a female associate of the pair known to police as Tina Severance...Severance was interviewed by detectives over the weekend. The possibility that she is involved has not been discounted, Collins said. "According to Portage (police), there was some suspicion she was involved in the jailbreak," Collins said. "I don't know what her involvement is, other than a girlfriend; (but) we've got her transportation, so she's waiting for us to release it." http://www.myinky.com/ecp/news/arti...1552844,00.html
...Fulks and Basham left the motel and never came back. According to the FBI, Fulks stole Severance's van and used it to drive to the Conway area and steal guns from a home. http://www.wpde.com/news/readarchive.asp?article=articles/archive/11-21-02news0.20391845703125

2:00 p.m. (approx.) - A few minutes later, Mark Cooper saw two men in a green minivan speeding down the driveway to his metalworks company. They saw him, turned and headed back down the driveway, headed to a neighbor's house. "I knew they weren't supposed to be there so I called her," Cooper said. "I asked her if two young guys were supposed to be there. She said, `No.' She wanted me to call the law." Armed with a gun and cell phone, Cooper drove to the end of his neighbor's driveway. but the men left before police arrived. Police found the van stuck in the mud on a dirt road behind the house. Oleita Hyman said the men knocked on her neighbor's door. "They wanted her to take them somewhere and use her phone." Hyman said her neighbor refused twice to let them inside. Then the men drove away in Hyman's farm truck. That truck was left in the Wal-Mart parking lot before Donovan disappeared. "If I had seen them getting my truck, I would have tried to stop them,"
Hyman said. "They probably would have shot me. It's a good thing I didn't
know it." Sun News The Associated Press (post #1028)

2:37 p.m. - Wal-Mart in Conway captures abduction on lot-cam video (as per FBI agent Jeff Long...from http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/4545908.htm) "A stolen truck was found in the Wal-Mart parking lot, which police said they think the escapees stole after dumping the minivan." http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/2002/11/19/news/local/4545341.htm
(Officers say they later stole a pickup that was ditched at a WalMart in Conway...) surveillance video shows the truck pulling in behind a woman, according to the FBI, the two men carjacked her and drove off in her BMW.http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/news/11...uckyescape.html

4:04 p.m. - Put gas in car at an Amoco in Shallotte...from FoxNews 11-20, 7 pm, "FoxReport w/Shepard Smith"; from Cascadians' post #1. Surveillance camera captures Donovan with Fulks and Basham at a convenience store in Shalotte, N.C., about two hours after she was abducted on Nov. 14, Brunswick County, N.C., Sheriff Ronald Hewitt said...from http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/breaking_news/4573221.htm "The three were last seen at a gas station in Shallotte. The men were seen later that night near the town of Bolivia and later back in South Carolina, but without the woman." http://www.wnct.com/MGBW0JIXS8D.html Police in Brunswick County can place three people they believe were Fulks, Basham, and Donovan at an Amoco gas station near Shallotte around 4 PM on November 14th http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789797/posts?q=1&&page=1201#1210 "Brunswick County Sheriff Ronald Hewett says the two men and
Alice Donovan were seen at a gas station at the town of Shallotte." http://rdu.news14.com/content/headlines/?ArID=18599&SecID=2 Hewett said Fulks put gas in the BMW, paid at the pump and then went into the store to buy something. The sheriff wouldn't say whose credit card was used to buy the gas or what the suspect bought in the store. "We know without a doubt that the car, the BMW, then left this parking lot back out to U.S. 17 and traveled north. We can put the vehicle at least another 14 or 15 miles north of our location now," the sheriff said. http://newsobserver.com/nc24hour/ncnews/story/1946988p-1911667c.html Brunswick County Sheriff Ronald Hewett said Fulks stopped at an Amoco station in Shallotte, North Carolina, at 4:04 p.m. Thursday to refuel Donovan's dark blue BMW sedan and that he and Basham are believed to have driven about 15 miles farther on U.S. 17 before turning around and returning to South Carolina by 6 p.m. (post #1282)
... search efforts were concentrated on Brunswick County, North Carolina, not far from Conway, where Sheriff Ronald Hewett urged motorists who might have seen Fulks and Basham driving Donovan's blue BMW sedan to come forward. Hewett said Fulks stopped at an Amoco station in Shallotte, North Carolina, at 4:04 p.m. the day of the kidnapping to refuel Donovan's car. Investigators believe he and Basham drove about 15 miles farther up U.S. Highway 17 before turning around and returning to South Carolina by 6 p.m. "How we know that, I don't think is important," Hewett said. "What is important is to know that somebody along U.S. 17, I believe, saw something. I believe they might have seen that BMW pull over. I believe they may have seen what has led us to this event where we are." http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/11/21/kidnapping.fugitive/index.html

4:28 p.m. - Alice called her daughter from her cell phone to say she would be Christmas shopping and would be home late....from Cascadians' post #1. Reported on FOX NEWS's timeline--cell call traced back to Bolivia. Cell phone records show that Donovan's phone used a cell tower in Brunswick County when she called her daughter two hours after she was abducted. (post #1219)

5:00 p.m. - Donovan was last seen alive with the two men in her blue BMW about 5 p.m. in the Bee Tree Farm area. The two men were seen about 15 minutes later at a cemetery on that road. http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/4707778.htm Donovan was last seen two hours after her abduction with Basham and Fulks in the Winnabow community, about 28 miles north of the state line, according to Brunswick County Sheriff Ronald E. Hewett. Basham and Fulks were seen again in South Carolina an hour later without Donovan.
http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/2002/11/27/news/4615014.htm

6:00 p.m. - Fulks & Basham withdrew cash from Little River ATM...from Cascadians' post #1. Investigators said they can place Fulks and Basham back in Horry County later that same day without Donovan. http://morningnewsonline.com/news/MGBK1M6QU9D.html

6:30 p.m. (approx.) - Both suspects **were back at an unnamed South Carolina motel**, Sheriff Hewett said. And no evidence in North Carolina or South Carolina indicates that Mrs. Donovan made it back with them, he said.
By Todd Volkstorf Staff Writer todd.volkstorf@wilmingtonstar.com (post# 1932)


****Friday NOV. 15th

12:01 a.m.+ - Alice's bank card used and cash withdrawn by escapees from an ATM in Raleigh-Durham area. Just after midnight Friday morning, Alice's ATM card was used in the Triangle area. http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/news/11...uckyescape.html

Lunchtime - Less than a day after Alice Donovan was kidnapped from the Conway Wal-Mart, the two men named as suspects stayed two nights in the Huntington, W.V., home of a childhood friend. Beth McGuffin, who went to elementary school with suspect Chadrick Fulks, said she had no idea that he and Branden Basham were wanted men when they pulled a blue BMW into her driveway at lunchtime on Nov. 15. They never mentioned Donovan to McGuffin, and there was no sign of her in their car. The Sun News By Dave Gustafson and David Klepper By 1 p.m. Nov. 15, Basham and Fulks had traveled more than 500 miles from Myrtle Beach to McGuffin's West Virginia home. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789797/posts?q=1&&page=1451#1465 By 1 p.m. Nov. 15, Basham and Fulks were sitting in McGuffin's West Virginia home. During the two days they spent there, the men appeared nervous at times, she said, and often spoke in hushed tones in corners of her house. http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73123034147972&Avis=SJ&Dato=20021123&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=211230333&Ref=AR


****Saturday, NOV. 16th

__:__ (unsubstantiated)Card used at the ATM in the Raleigh area again???


****Sunday, NOV. 17th

Basham arrested after authorities said he tried to hijack a car from a woman and her daughter at the Ashland Town Center mall.


****Monday, NOV. 18th

Late Monday - Ohio Highway Patrol troopers spotted a man believed to be Fulks sleeping in a BMW with a stolen West Virginia license plate at a rest area in Marion County, Ohio, about 40 miles north of Columbus. The license plate was taken Sunday from a vehicle parked at a Wal-Mart store in Princeton, W.Va., West Virginia State Police Trooper M.K. Summers said. The plate’s owner reported it missing on Monday.
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2002/November/20/LNspot.htm
Man believed to be Fulks leads Ohio police on high-speed chase near Marion, Ohio. ...the license plate on the blue BMW he was driving was stolen Sunday from a vehicle at a Princeton Wal-Mart, said State Trooper M.K. Summers. The plate’s owner reported it missing on Monday. http://www.wvgazette.com/news/News/2002111922/

****Wednesday, NOV. 20th

Late morning - Late in the morning, police followed a Chevrolet Beretta...pulled it over. Fulks got out and ran, police said. He tried to enter a nearby home but was caught. (post # 1233)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789797/posts?q=1&&page=1201#1210
Fulks captured near Goshen, Ind. One of Chadrick's brothers, Ronnie, and a woman named Andrea Adams were arrested Wednesday with Chadrick Fulks in Goshen, Ind.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789797/posts?q=1&&page=1201#1210

Morning - Two women who voluntarily traveled with the suspects from Indiana to South Carolina were taken into custody by FBI agents at a motel, according to the FBI. Spokeswoman Kathleen Murphy refused to identify the women or the location of the motel in which they were found. The women are from Portage and Chesterton, both small towns in northern Indiana, less than 50 miles from where Fulks was arrested Wednesday. The FBI would not disclose their relationships with the suspects. "We can't say anything about ongoing investigations," Murphy said. http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/4569518.htm

6:00 p.m. - The FBI, along with a infrared helicopter, the Horry County police bloodhounds, and a team of officers searched a large wooded area near Waccamaw Drive in Conway. Waccamaw Drive sits off Highway 501 By-Pass where it crosses the Waccamaw River. The helicopter seemed to focus its search in the woods off Waccamaw Drive. The search area bordered at least one neighborhood and included Wonderland Drive, which was the location of an abandoned mobile home park flooded after Hurricane Floyd. The park has since been cleaned up. Although police gave no official word about why they were there, or what they were doing, just hours earlier authorities in Brunswick County, North Carolina were searching for Donovan using helicopters. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789797/posts?q=1&&page=1201#1210
FBI agents tell Team 15 they received information that Donovan could be in a wooded area behind Waccamaw Drive near the Savannah Bluff Landing. Around 6:00pm on Wednesday, police and FBI agents began searching by both air and ground.
http://www.wpdetv.com/news/newsstory.asp?article=articles/topnewsstory

Evening - The FBI found a blue BMW believed to belong to Donovan in a field north of Goshen on Wednesday night.


****Thursday, NOV. 21st

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Extra information -
December 7, 2002
Road signs along U.S. 17 from Winnabow to Myrtle Beach could lead to Alice's body. Investigators are looking for signs with key words like:

Animal
Landfill
Park
Preserve
Wildlife

They're also looking for information concerning a bucket truck, which is used to trim trees.
'There's no evidence to indicate she made it back. All clues point to Brunswick County, N.C.'
A new clue Friday energized the search for Alice Donovan, the same day police formally abandoned hope of finding the 44-year-old Galivants Ferry woman alive.
Brunswick County, N.C., Sheriff Ronald E. Hewett would not say whether the 1 p.m. tip came from eyewitnesses or Kentucky jail escapees Branden Basham and Chadrick Fulks, the two men charged with kidnapping Donovan from the Wal-Mart in Conway on Nov. 14. Hewett said he could not reveal any specifics about the clue.
About 50 police officers and trained search-and-rescue workers combed through undisclosed wooded areas looking for Donovan on Friday afternoon. As team members searched shoulder-to-shoulder, Hewett issued a cryptic plea to resi-
dents to reveal anything odd they may have seen between Winnabow, N.C., and Cherry Grove the day she disappeared.
He asked that anyone who saw Donovan's blue BMW 318i or anything else suspicious near signs with the words "wildlife," "park," "animal," "preserve" or "landfill" between 5 and 6:30 p.m. Nov. 14 to call police.
He also wants to hear from anyone who operated a bucket truck, a truck used to trim trees or work on power lines, or saw someone else operating a bucket truck that day along or near U.S. 17 between Winnabow and the state line.
The Brunswick County landfill is off U.S. 17, just south of Winnabow.
"I know this sounds like a jigsaw puzzle," Hewett said, but added it could lead to finding Donovan.
It is important to find her as quickly as possible to preserve any evidence at the scene, he said.

Ronald E. Hewett Brunswick County Sheriff
http://www.msnx.net/Donovan.html

Severance calls Fulks a "neat freak who showers 500 times a day." http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73123034147972&Avis=SJ&Dato=20021123&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=211230333&Ref=AR

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

6:30 p.m. (approx.) - Both suspects **were back at an unnamed South Carolina motel**, Sheriff Hewett said. And no evidence in North Carolina or South Carolina indicates that Mrs. Donovan made it back with them, he said. By Todd Volkstorf Staff Writer todd.volkstorf@wilmingtonstar.com (post# 1932)

Something just occurred to me...was this the same hotel where they had checked into earlier? The same hotel where Tina and Andrea would have been? Am I missing something? Is this info incorrect? Do you see what I am implying? Let's discuss this today...

[SunnyUsa]

I hadn't seen this thread in awhile and I have wondered and prayed for these poor women and their distraught families.

I can't imagine the pain.

How do men like this exist....snuffing out lives, families, dreams and hopes - for what reason?

And they KNOW where these women are....let's hope one of these murdering cowards speaks up soon.

[Velveeta]

The name of the motel is th Beach Walk Motel in Myrtle Beach, if I recall correctly.

I can hear your wheels turning, but I don't know what you are implying???

[Velveeta]

PORTAGE - CHILD NEGLECT - TINA SEVERANCE

Woman who left with escapees faces charges

A Portage woman who traveled to South Carolina in November with two escaped convicts has been charged with neglecting her 14-year-old child during that time.

Tina Severance, 34, of 521 Fifth St., faces up to three years in jail if convicted of child neglect. She is accused of leaving the child alone without food or heat for four days.

The two convicts, Chadrick Fulks and Branden Basham, are accused of going on a multistate crime spree after their escape from a Kentucky jail. They picked up Severance and Andrea Roddy of Chesterton, traveled to Myrtle Beach, S.C., and left the women behind.

Before their capture, Fulks and Basham allegedly abducted a woman from a Wal-Mart parking lot, taking her BMW. The woman is still missing.

Severance already faces a felony charge of aiding in theft. In that case, Severance is accused of luring a former acquaintance away from his Michigan City home long enough for the others in her group, which included the two convicts, to enter through an unlocked door and steal the handguns.

http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2003/01/10/news/porter_county/26506f0c9129f8de86256caa0007784e.txt

[SeattleTiger]

Yes, it seems like they went back to the hotel where the women were staying.

1. They had lost Tina Severance's minivan, which Severance and her girlfriend would have to have noticed and in theory been concerned about.
2. They had acquired Alice's BMW, which also would have caused comment from the women.
3. They might have discussed what transpired in the time they were gone.
4. Or, they may have returned with either Alice alive or a body, though either seems unlikely.

At minimum, the women know more that they alluded to in the first interviews. That, along with the child abuse indictment, makes Tina Severance's comments to the newspaper in November about their trip and her infatuation with Fulks exceptionally creepy and suspicion-inducing rather than just dumb.

[Otta B Sleepin]

A Portage woman who traveled to South Carolina in November with two escaped convicts has been charged with neglecting her 14-year-old child during that time.

It's a good thing the child was 14.....given her mother's obsession with Fulks, she would probably have left even a much younger child alone, with disastrous consequences.

I hope these charges are just the tip of the iceberg. As gmoPBCFL has noted, both women must know a lot more than they've revealed.

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

I wonder if there were custody and/or neglect issues before her trip to S.C... As I cut and pasted below, Tina was arrested by police for the gun robbery in which she and Miss Roddy were accomplices, as she walked out of a custody hearing on Dec. 3. My heart and prayers go out to this child.

"Michigan City (Ind.) police Detective Cpl. Jeff Cuma confirmed that he and his partner arrested Severance while she was attending a custody hearing for her daughter Dec. 3.

"We saw her arrive and politely introduced ourselves; she went in [to the hearing] and we took her into custody when she came out," Cuma said."


http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/news/local/4721358.htm

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

Velveeta,
Read Seattle's #2307.

When F & B left the hotel in Tina's minivan on Thursday, November 14th, Fulks told Severance he loved her, then he and Basham said they were going to make a food run in her minivan "and we never saw them again," she said. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789797/posts?q=1&&page=1451#1465

Insert here: robbery of mobile home, shooting at Mr. Jordan, ditching Tina's minivan when it got stuck in mud, theft of a truck, ditching the truck in Wal-Mart parking lot, *abducting Alice*, various stops over several hours traveling into NC, and THEN BACK TO THE hotel.

6:30 p.m. (approx.) - Both suspects **were back at an unnamed South Carolina motel**, Sheriff Hewett said. And no evidence in North Carolina or South Carolina indicates that Mrs. Donovan made it back with them, he said.
By Todd Volkstorf Staff Writer todd.volkstorf@wilmingtonstar.com (post# 1932)

Wouldn't F & B have seen Tina and Andrea there? How 'bout that food, guys??? What did the women think and/or know when the guys wanted to leave again?

One would think that a "neat freak" who showered a 100 times a day would have stayed at least long enough to have showered mud and/or evidence from his person, before making the overnight trip up to WV. (maybe his neat status that she describes was prevalent during their trip......perhaps because Fulks abducted Samantha and later Alice???)

So, it appears to me, and Seattle caught my implication...that Tina is lying. My question then, is why? If she were not involved, would admitting the guys returned but then suddenly left again somehow be damaging to her or the guys? Why would it if she didn't have a clue about the guys' actions? Maybe they were muddy? What more does she know or did she witness?

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

News Archive from 11/21/02

FULKS' GIRLFRIEND SPEAKS TO TEAM 15

Shortly after Chadrick Fulks and Brendan Basham escaped prison, Fulks' girlfriend tells Team 15 they showed up at her house and easily convinced her and her roommate to go on a road trip.

Fulks, Basham, Fulks' girlfriend Tina Severance and a friend ended up driving to Myrtle Beach.
That's where Severance tells us Fulks and Basham left her and her friend at a motel.
Severance tells us she is shocked that Fulks' capture did not have a fatal ending.
She says he called his mother and said he would not be taken alive.
Tina Severance says she met Chadrick Fulks two years ago at the Westville Correctional Facility in Indiana.
He was serving time there.
She worked there as a jail guard.
Severance says she and Fulks had plans to marry once he was out of jail.
When he showed up at her door, she claims she did not know he had escaped from jail.
Severance says she and her roommate decided to go with the men on what they thought was a road trip.
She says she booked the four a room at the Beach Walk Motel in Myrtle Beach, a place where Fulks had stayed before. Just a few hours later, Fulks and Basham left the motel and never came back. According to the FBI, Fulks stole Severance's van and used it to drive to the Conway area and steal guns from a home.
Shortly afterwards, police believe the two men kidnapped Alice Donovan.
Severance says Fulks never called after he left.
She does not know anything about Alice Donovan's whereabouts.
http://www.wpde.com/news/readarchive.asp?article=articles/archive/11-21-02news0.20391845703125

[Otta B Sleepin]

She says he called his mother and said he would not be taken alive.

I'd forgotten he said this. Maybe he knew he'd done something so terrible that he'd probably get the death penalty if convicted, so he preferred to go down fighting.

I seem to recall he had some kind of reaction (paled? flinched?) when told that he could face the death penalty if Alice Donovan was not found alive. Sounds like he has an aversion to the death penalty. LEOs must have timed his capture perfectly so that he had no opportunity to resist. Good work, guys.

[Cloe]

I have felt all along that Tina & Andrea were more involved in this whole thing then they let on.

Now I am wondering about Beth McGuffin - it seems strange that F&B were in her area on Nov.15th & 16th and stayed with her. But they were also in that same area on Nov.11th & 12th {the time of Samantha's disappearance} and there is no mention of them being with her.
At first, I thought maybe they were looking for Beth's house on the 11th, and came in contact with Samantha by accident. But then, I remembered that Fulks and his wife{Veronica} and baby had stayed with Beth during the summer - so he knew where she lived.

I find it strange that these 3 women have conveniently distanced themselves from F&B on the exact dates that murders may have been commited !

[Cloe]

Has anyone ever seen a picture of Tina ?

[rejoicing]

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[Velveeta]

As gmoPBCFL has noted, both women must know a lot more than they've revealed

These women helped these creeps steal guns. What the heck did they think the guys were going to do with the guns???? I hope the women go down for their part in the murders of Alice and Samantha.

Tina *knew* that Chad called his mother and told his mother that he would not be taken alive. I join you all in the opinion that: Tina and Andrea know alot more about this than has been been reported in the press. I don't understand why charges have not been filed against Andrea Roddy yet??

I'm not sure about Beth McGuffin's involvement except that I never saw any indication that she notified police that Chad was at her house.

[Velveeta]

VERY SAD UPDATE:

Posted on Thu, Jan. 16, 2003

Suspect describes slaying
Woman who disappeared was raped and stabbed, according to statements
By CLIF LeBLANC
Staff Writer

One of the men accused in the November disappearance of a Gallivants Ferry woman told investigators his co-defendant raped, strangled and stabbed her.

The escapees from a Kentucky jail then dumped Alice Donovan's body near a cemetery southwest of Raleigh, suspect Branden Basham, 25, told investigators in one of the four accounts he's given.

Basham's statements, made public for the first time Wednesday in a Columbia courtroom, are the most detailed description of what might have happened to the 44-year-old wife and mother. Her body has not been found.

Federal prosecutors here, where the case is being heard after being transferred from Florence, doubt Basham.

Prosecutors said Wednesday they think Basham is more involved in Donovan's presumed homicide than he has admitted.

Both defendants were in court but said little.

Basham's accounts of the crime are in a memo filed Tuesday in Columbia's federal court.

Trial Judge Joe Anderson refused Basham's motion to seal the memo, which summarizes his statements.

A trial is six months to a year away, defense attorneys say.

U.S. Attorney Strom Thurmond Jr. is considering the rare step of asking for the death penalty, but said he has yet to file murder charges.

Basham told investigators he and fellow jail escapee Chadrick Fulks, 21, carjacked Donovan and her dark blue 1994 BMW sedan Nov. 14 from the Conway Wal-Mart parking lot, where she was Christmas shopping.

Basham told several versions of a five-state crime spree that began 10 days earlier when he and Fulks escaped from the Hopkins County, Ky., jail.

Basham, charged with carjacking and kidnapping, was serving five years for forgery. Fulks was held on charges of credit card fraud, theft and a felony possession of a firearm. He faces similar charges as Basham's in Donovan's disappearance.

On Thanksgiving day, Basham gave his most recent account of the killing when he and his lawyers took authorities to where he and Fulks had left Donovan's body.

He led them to a cemetery in the Winnabow area of North Carolina's Brunswick County, about 40 miles from the capital.

Basham said he would recognize the place because Donovan's purse strap, used by Fulks to strangle her, would be nearby.

When that search turned up nothing, Basham gave his lawyers - Columbia's Cam Littlejohn and Billy Monckton of Myrtle Beach - another account.

Prosecutors say the lawyers relayed this version of Donovan's final hours:

Fulks raped her in the back seat of her car then choked her with an 18-inch purse strap. They put her body in the trunk.

Basham said he threw the strap out of the car window.

About an hour later, Fulks got worried that Donovan might not be dead and could tamper with the tail lights to get help.

Fulks found a dirt road in what Basham described as an animal park or a wildlife area. They stopped and Fulks stabbed Donovan with a knife and slit her throat.

The pair dragged her about 50 feet into the tree line and covered the body with brush.

Fulks threw the knife out of the window as they left.

Later, they dumped Donovan's clothes, but Basham said he doesn't know where.

Investigators found no trace of blood during tests of the BMW. The car was found about Nov. 20 in Indiana.

Federal prosecutors have asked the judge to disqualify Littlejohn and Monckton as Basham's lawyers because they have become potential witnesses.

Anderson is considering that request.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/4958688.htm

[Velveeta]

Please see post #2317

[Velveeta]

Prairie Lady wants to put up a website for Alice. If anyone can offer suggestions, I'm sure she would appreciate it.

She has posted recently on the TB2K forum here:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=468479#post468479

[Velveeta]

pinging you to post #2317