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1 posted on 11/15/2002 7:02:13 AM PST by TomServo
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2 posted on 11/15/2002 7:08:00 AM PST by TomServo
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Language tucked inside the Homeland Security bill will allow the federal government to track the e-mail, Internet use, travel, credit-card purchases, phone and bank records of foreigners and U.S. citizens in its hunt for terrorists.

They keep saying this, but so far, nobody in Washington has not been able to cite any specific text that allows for this.(Many Pols have been chalanged to articulate this claim, where still waiting)

Forth Amendment violations are not to be taken lightly and the public at large will not accept such violations and niether will the SCOTUS.
3 posted on 11/15/2002 7:11:03 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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Hillary is salivating...those FBI records were nothing compared to what she could do with this...
A dictators dream come true.....
4 posted on 11/15/2002 7:13:13 AM PST by joesnuffy
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Goodbye 4th Amendment. You were one of my favorites.
5 posted on 11/15/2002 7:21:46 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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these systems can capture a lot of data at different levels without oversight, judicial review, public reporting or congressional investigations.

That's funny, I thought the entire structure of our government was based on checks and balances.

Wait! I got it. Checks and balances were created to prevent abuses. Since we all know everyone in government is an angel and not human, abuses simply can't happen anymore so checks and balances no longer needed.

Look! Here's one of our angels right now!!


7 posted on 11/15/2002 7:35:09 AM PST by freeeee
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I can't find it. THOMAS has the bill (HR 5710), but I can't find anything about searching all our e-mail, credit card transactions, etc.
10 posted on 11/15/2002 8:32:42 AM PST by m1911
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Is this what your grandpa fought for in WWII?

Did our grandpas fight in WWII and our fathers in Nam to give us an American East Germany?

18 posted on 11/15/2002 10:07:16 AM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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Why worry about the Gummint being able to pull this off when nearly everything else It touches sooner or later turns into s#!%?

Heck, the ATF can't even track guns with any modicum of efficiency, the INS can't catch even 1% of The Invaders rotting the timbers of our nation, and the IRS can't even collect a tiny fraction of that which It is "owed."

Need I continue?? Rest easy, but stay alert and keep your powder dry....

22 posted on 11/15/2002 10:57:31 AM PST by tracer
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28 posted on 11/15/2002 5:35:47 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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29 posted on 11/15/2002 5:41:53 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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