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Pelosi on The Today Show: "I'm a Conservative Catholic"
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Posted on 11/15/2002 4:25:22 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Matt Lauer just completed an interview with Nancy Pelosi. After some standard stuff about her "historic" role as the first woman to lead a congressional party, Lauer asked a a pretty probing question:

"When Republicans chose Newt as their leader, Democrats were quick to say they had gone too far right. Why shouldn't the Republicans now say that in choosing you, the Democrats have gone too far left?"

Pelosi answered by stating that while she represented her district in SF (implying that she was being very liberal in representing a very liberal district), she will lead "right down the center" of the Dem caucus.

She then added the following statement: "When people call me a liberal, I call myself a conservative Catholic."

I had heard Pelosi make the same statement in an interview yesterday, so this clearly seems to be a standard part of her defense to the charge that she's too liberal to lead successfully.

I'm not Catholic, but I have to assume that many true "conservative Catholics" will be upset by hearing Pelosi claim that label. It is hard to imagine an authentic conservative Catholic supporting unrestricted abortion, including partial birth abortion, as does Pelosi.

Pelosi failed to vote to ban PBA even when an exception was included for the life of the mother. I think it is thus fair to categorize her as a pro-abortion extremist. Given that record, to go on national TV and call herself a conservative Catholic seems the height of gall and duplicity.

As a sidenote, Pelosi also trotted out what the Dems have apparently decided to make their new theme: "Safety and Soundness," apparently some combination of national security and economic progress. Instant nominee for the "Lamest Political Slogan of the Decade."


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To: governsleastgovernsbest
An insult to conservative Catholics like myself.
81 posted on 11/15/2002 5:45:17 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: Savage Beast
Exactly. She was careful to say she'd lead down the middle of the caucus, not down the middle of America.

If someone wanted to spend an interesting hour, they would compile the average American Conservative Union and Americans for Democratic Action ratings of all members of the Dem caucus.

I have no doubt that it would prove your point: the middle of the Dem caucus is way to the left.
82 posted on 11/15/2002 5:45:50 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Aquinasfan
"2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion."

I'm going to have to question that statement. Pope Gregory VI (1045-6) said, "He is not a murderer who brings about abortion before the soul is in the body." Gregory XIII (1572-85) said it was not homicide to kill an embryo of less than 40 days since it wasn't yet human. His successor, Sixtus V (who rewrote the Bible), disagreed. His Bull of 1588 made all abortions for any reason homicide and cause for excommunication. His successor, Gregory XIV, reversed that decree. In 1621 the Vatican issued another pastoral directive permitting abortion up to 40 days. As late as the 18th century, one of the Catholic church's theologians, St. Alphonsus de Liguori, still denied that the soul was infused at conception and allowed for flexibility, expecially when the mother's life was in danger. Finally, in 1869, Pius IX declared that any destruction of any embryo was an abortion and merited excommunication.

Thankfully (since this is the opion I agree with), this is the view of the Catholic church that remains to this day. I just wish they would be honest about the different "official" positions that have been put forth and not try to tell everyone that they have had the same stand "since the first century."

83 posted on 11/15/2002 5:47:05 AM PST by Pablo64
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To: Dick Vomer
LOL!!! Had to show that one to my not-so-conservative Catholic wife!
84 posted on 11/15/2002 5:47:24 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
OUTSTANDING!!!!

In her first major interview as House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi has told a bald-faced LIE and has besmirched the reputations of REAL conservative, practising Catholics. This woman is a hypocrite and a liar of the highest order.

Nancy Pelosi advocates abortion on demand, partial birth abortion, abortion for minors without parental consent, gay marriage, and gay adoptions. For her to claim herself to be a "conservative Catholic" is truly despicable. She ought to be ex-communicated from the church for the public policy evil she has helped perpetrate on this country.

85 posted on 11/15/2002 5:48:17 AM PST by RooRoobird14
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
There you go again, assuming that DemocRATs have to tell the truth.
86 posted on 11/15/2002 5:48:58 AM PST by jackbill
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To: MarkT
In the off chance that the Archbishop of the San Francisco Diocese heard her comment, she may actually face some cannonical and then political problems.

Did the Archbishop of the Boston area ever call the Kennedy's to account? They hold similar views on abortion to Pelosi.

Pelosi will get away with her statements as far as the church hierarchy is concerned, but she won't get away with them with the public.

Now I'm starting to see the wisdom behind Trent Lott's statement that one of the first issues he'll bring up in the next Congress is PBA. That will blow Pelosi and all the other so-called "centrists" right out of the water. They'll be on the defensive from the get go--a great way to start the next two years.

87 posted on 11/15/2002 5:50:40 AM PST by randita
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To: PJ-Comix
Isn't Clinton a "religious Baptist?"

And porn pusher Larry Flynt was a born again Christian. Liberals are liars.

89 posted on 11/15/2002 5:56:41 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Motherbear
Not sure I can agree. I believe it has the potential to disturb many ethnic Catholics who are swing voters.
90 posted on 11/15/2002 5:58:52 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: DWSUWF
When people call me a liberal, I call myself a conservative Catholic.">

People, people! Give her some credit. This statement has an almost Clintonian deviousness. She doesn't claim to be a conservative Catholic. What she did was say she called herself a conservative Catholic.

She could have easily said, "When people call me a liberal, I tell them I'm a martian agronomist." or "When people call me a liberal, I tell them I'm really a 14th century time-travelling llama disguised as a human."

In addition, she can claim it was a sarcastic reflexive opposition to being 'labelled'. In that case, the whole 'it's a dirty lie' thing doesn't even come close to sticking.

Watch this woman carefully, she's more clever than you think.

91 posted on 11/15/2002 5:59:29 AM PST by WileyC
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To: randita
Now I'm starting to see the wisdom behind Trent Lott's statement that one of the first issues he'll bring up in the next Congress is PBA. That will blow Pelosi and all the other so-called "centrists" right out of the water. They'll be on the defensive from the get go--a great way to start the next two years.

I sure hope you're right. I think the archbishhop of San Frncisco is new. I have been told that he is being punished/sued for his stand on homosexuality.

I'm not surprised that Pelosi is trying to convince people she is a Catholic, however the conservative part is a real joke. After all it worked for Granholm in Michigan. I wonder what her homosexual supporters will have to say.

92 posted on 11/15/2002 6:01:09 AM PST by Diva
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To: IronJack
I would think her record on abortion would stand alone? How does she vote and is she for the killing of the unborn? The vatican nees to take a stand on these Kennedy/Pelosi "Catholic" liberal Democrats. It is time for the church to speak out on these politicians that want it both ways.
93 posted on 11/15/2002 6:05:01 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
>>"When people call me a liberal, I call myself a conservative Catholic."

This is as good an example of what I've talked about all along as can be found. How can you trust anyone who can't even tell the truth to THEMSELVES?

94 posted on 11/15/2002 6:05:48 AM PST by Wondervixen
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Guess people are coming to accept that there is value in keeping track of what the other side is up to

That and the fact that the Fox morning show is generally embarrassingly infantile.

95 posted on 11/15/2002 6:08:16 AM PST by iconoclast
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Someone at DU posted a reply saying she wasn't concerned by Pelosi's statement since JFK also said that his Catholicism wouldn't affect the way he governed, and it didn't.

JFK was around before Roe v. Wade, so his views are probably irrelevant as far as abortion is concerned. But let's look at Ted, a "practicing Catholic". He is virulently pro-abortion and that does affect the way he governs. While on Judiciary, he made it a top priority to submarine any judicial appointment that wouldn't support abortion on demand (Bork, e.g.).

Ask DU why they think Teddy belongs to a group whose views he openly advocates against.

96 posted on 11/15/2002 6:08:56 AM PST by randita
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Left wing extremist Pelosi's claim of bing a "Conservative Catholic" gives me the same sickening feeling of watching Billie Clintoon receiving Holy Communion at a Mass!
97 posted on 11/15/2002 6:09:51 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Aquinasfan
Perhaps the Bishops do call them to task in the confessional. "Say 100 Hail Mary's, 100 Our Fathers, and drop a check off for $10K on your way out and you will be once again a good Conservative Catholic."

Naw, money buying favors and position in "the Chruch" ... Can't happen!

98 posted on 11/15/2002 6:11:19 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: Polycarp; Salvation; patent
If you wouldn't mind, would you post to your bump lists.
99 posted on 11/15/2002 6:12:20 AM PST by cebadams
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To: RooRoobird14
Pelosi knows what she is and knows WE KNOW what she is. What she's doing here is known as "Pulling an Eddie Haskell"...She's trying to buy time by snowing the many people in the heartland who have no idea who the heck she is...

YET!

100 posted on 11/15/2002 6:12:28 AM PST by Wondervixen
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