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National sales tax gains momentum
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, November 13, 2002 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 11/12/2002 11:46:28 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Lawmakers and experts who support fundamental tax reform are eyeing a consumption-tax plan being worked out by the Bush administration that they believe if implemented would make the U.S. tax code much simpler to follow and be a boon to economic growth.

The administration's plan, first reported by the Washington Post last month, calls for shifting the tax system away from taxing income and targeting consumption instead. The paper reported that administration tax policy wonks within the Treasury Department are still working out the details, and that their progress has largely been kept under wraps.

Officially, White House tax-policy experts have spent the past year working on reform options to present to the president, but "economists and tax lobbyists close to the effort believe that Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill is serious about elevating tax reform on Washington's agenda," said the Post.

Some experts and lawmakers have long complained that the government's system of taxation is painfully complex, difficult to administer, too costly and inefficient. The labyrinth of rules and regulations – mostly the work of a Congress seeking to curry favor with constituents and business interests – grows increasingly more convoluted by the year.

While it may not be a panacea for hard-core tax opponents, a consumption-based system is seen at least as a more equitable way of raising the money necessary to fund government functions, according to supporters.

"The Bush administration's plan to move toward a consumption-based tax is a winner on all fronts," says Chris Edwards, the libertarian CATO Institute's director of fiscal policy. "A consumption-based tax would be simpler, more efficient, pro-growth and fairer to taxpayers."

In a policy briefing, Edwards said a consumption tax would not only benefit consumers, but the businesses they patronize as well.

"On the business side, a consumption-based tax would scrap the complex depreciation system for immediate capital expenses. That reform would make U.S. businesses much more competitive in the world economy and create an investment boom that would drive Americans' wages higher," he said.

"On the individual side, a consumption-based tax could be arrived at by greatly expanding the Roth IRA and turning it into a Universal Savings Account. That would boost the savings rate and increase financial security for all Americans," Edwards added.

Consumer spending comprises two-thirds of the U.S. economy and was credited with helping curb a recession in 2001.

The consumption tax is also a staple of Americans for Fair Taxation, a tax-reform group that says taxing goods and services is simpler and fairer.

"Georgia is a prime example of the power of the frustrated taxpayer. In several congressional races and one Senate race, Fair Tax supporters and angry taxpayers worked to produce major upsets in support of pro-Fair Tax candidates. We witnessed this in other key races across the nation," says Genie Hayes, a spokeswoman for the group.

"We expect that these recent political victories will solidify the White House's decision to make tax replacement … into a key part of the president's agenda," she added.

Hayes said the Post report "confirms what we have been told by Washington insiders for the last two years – President Bush is listening to the American taxpayer."

"Any tax reform must result in a tax code that is simple, fair, voluntary, transparent, border neutral, industry neutral, strengthens Social Security and has manageable transition costs," said Rep. John Linder, R-Ga., in The Washington Times Oct. 28.

"These neutral principles would all be fulfilled by my proposal to eliminate all income and payroll taxes and replace them with a national retail sales tax," said Linder, author of the Fair Tax Act of 2001.

That's a good idea, says Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, as long as Americans don't end up with both an income tax and a consumption tax, as is the case in most of Europe.

"My worry," he told WorldNetDaily, "is that somewhere down the road, after we replace the income tax with a consumption tax, the American people will get saddled with an additional income tax."

Critics of a consumption-based sales tax say adding a levy at the point of sale would likely lead to less consumer spending, thereby worsening a weakened economy. Also, they say a national sales tax would have to be astronomical for the government to collect its current level of revenues.

William Gale, a senior fellow in economic studies at the Brookings Institute, a public-policy think tank, estimates that proposals to replace virtually all federal revenues with a 23 percent tax-inclusive national sales tax rate are based on assumptions that real government spending would decline by $480 billion per year, and that there would be no tax avoidance, evasion or political erosion of the tax base.

"Correction for these assumptions indicates that the required tax-inclusive rate would be over 50 percent," he writes in a 1999 policy paper.

But some economists say reducing income taxes means Americans will have more disposable income – and will spend it.

Indeed, the Commerce Department reported earlier this month that "robust" consumer spending contributed to third quarter economic growth at twice the rate of growth in the second quarter of this year. GDP climbed at a 3.1 percent annual rate in the three months from July to September, up from the preceding quarter's 1.3 percent rate.

"The largest contributors to the step-up were an acceleration in consumer spending – especially for motor vehicles – and a slowdown in imports," said the department.

Other critics support tax cuts as a way to reduce government spending.

"The tax shift is one of the great games of government. In the game, the government uses the prospect of lowering one tax in order to buy support for raising another," says Lew Rockwell, president of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a libertarian economic think tank based in Auburn, Ala. "The proposal to move from an income tax to a consumption tax is a good example of the game."

Rockwell told WND that "the essential key to understanding the trick is to realize that the government wants money and is going to get it one way or another."

"Zigzagging from one method to another does not change the reality, but it can fool the gullible. And it can raise a lot of money from affected groups during the transition period," he said.

Fundamentally, Paul agrees. He also believes that for Americans to achieve real tax reform, the government has to become more frugal.

"I think if we waved a wand today and had a sales tax implemented and the income tax removed, we really don't solve a lot of our problems because we still have the (government) spending side to deal with," he said.

Other experts say that millions of Americans are paying more than their fair share of taxes under the current system.

"The total tax burden on Americans is – and will remain – at near-record levels," says an assessment by the Heritage Foundation, a public-policy think tank in Washington, D.C. "Marginal tax rates are far too high, savings and investment are still subject to discriminatory taxation, and needless complexity in the Internal Revenue Code foments corruption and adds a hidden compliance tax on productive activity."

Rockwell says the argument for a consumption-versus-income tax rests on a few key principles.

Supporters claim "the consumption tax is at least voluntary," he said, but "actually, it is just as coercive as any tax."

"Under the income tax, if I earn income and don't pay the tax, I can be fined and jailed," said Rockwell. "Under the consumption tax, if I consume a taxed item and don't pay the tax, I get fined and jailed.

"It's true that I can choose not to consume that item. Similarly under the income tax, I can choose not to earn income," he added. "Nothing is voluntary if I am not permitted to exempt myself. There is no such thing as a voluntary tax. If there were, it would be called something else."

Meanwhile, now that Republicans are back in control of both houses of Congress, the administration will seek to make a set of tax cuts set to expire in 2010 permanent, while working on another tax-cut package to include reducing the taxation on share dividends, the Financial Times reported last week.

The new tax cuts, in addition to the Federal Reserve's half-point cut last week in the rate banks charge each other for overnight loans, will be aimed at helping consumers reduce personal debt and get their own financial houses back in order without inducing another slowdown, according to White House economists.

"If we look at the personal savings numbers, the reach for excess in the 1990s is being unwound," said Larry Lindsey, Bush's chief economic adviser. "I think that will continue, and it makes it incumbent on us to maintain real personal disposable income.

"The tax code is a luxury the economy can no longer afford," he said this week.

Others were more pointed.

"While Republicans will control Washington, they'll also be under the gun to deliver an economic turnaround," said an analysis last week in BusinessWeek magazine. "If they pull it off, they can look forward to an even giddier Election Night 2004. If not, there won't be much room for excuses."

Paul was not optimistic.

"I don't think any more will happen [on tax reform and reduction] now than happened during the Reagan administration or since Republicans took over the House in 1994," he said.

"The one thing no one should expect, despite the rhetoric, is that their taxes are going to go down, because government needs money now more than ever," Paul added. "I hope there's serious debate, but I don't see much happening."


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To: nopardons
Don't be grumpy, there is a good reason why you should want this to go through. Discussion of a consumption tax, as you rightfully noted, does not necessarily mean an NRST. However, the NRST is almost by default the type of consumption tax being considered.

In that case, only retail transaction, that is the original point of sell for NEW items would be taxed. Antiques, used jewlery, ext would not be taxed. An IPO might be, but other stocks are traded "second hand" and would not be retail. This is not the same as a luxury tax, and your right, that was dreadful. This would be a 25% tax added to the sale price of a new $300K yacht (45ft Bennetau, sigh) however the cost of producing it (in the US, hint hint) would be 20% less. Non of the components would be subject to tax until it was sold from the dealer, not the teak decking, not the motor..nothing. These are now taxed when ever anyone is employed in production. The end result is a 5% increase in price for the yacht, but you now have your entire gross income to buy it with. No second hand items are taxed, but they are now, the owner or store owner that sells a used item to you is required to pay income tax..or capital gains. So, in that sense, used items are taxed. The states try to put a sales tax on everything, that is a problem for the residents to fix.

This tax will not slow consumption. We now tax in the most destructive point in the wealth creating process. A consumption tax, and especially and NRST would fix this. The economic growth following would be explosive.

As Jim Rob pointed out, competition will eliminate demand pull inflation for most items. Realestate would be a huge investment however. If this goes through, buy a vacation cabin in Maine and get your hair done while you build equity. It is a win win situation.

The big thing that really makes it better than the Income tax, is the end of slavery to the government. We spend 4-6 month out of the year in slavery, the rest of our earnings are spent at the plantation store (also taxed).
161 posted on 11/15/2002 8:12:08 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: nopardons; All
I have to believe that those of you who are opposed to the NRST are opposed because you do not understand it.

Please take the time to read both H.R. 2525 and H.R. 2717, and visit these web sites: http://www.salestax.org , http://www.votr.org , http://www.fairtax.org and http://www.cats.org.

Lots of useful information there that just might persuade you that because implementing the NRST will foster and encourage individual FReedom, economic prosperity and equality of treatment under the law, it might, just might, be a better idea than the Marxist inspired progressive income tax.
162 posted on 11/15/2002 3:24:16 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Mudboy Slim
AbsoFReepinglutely!
163 posted on 11/15/2002 3:24:49 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Taxman
Thought so, bro...MUD
164 posted on 11/15/2002 5:04:06 PM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Taxman
I have to believe that those of you who are opposed to the NRST are opposed because you do not understand it.

DAT'S what I tole em Dag nabit!

165 posted on 11/15/2002 6:28:29 PM PST by Bigun
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To: Bigun
Either that, or they are committed to the Liberal/Socialist/Marxist agenda, and are unable to get past their ideology.
166 posted on 11/16/2002 1:23:11 AM PST by Taxman
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To: EternalVigilance
Yup. Our time is coming, and soon.
167 posted on 11/16/2002 1:24:44 AM PST by Taxman
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To: JohnHuang2
I'll believe it when I see it. The IRS is just too powerful in DC to be disbanded. Even my brother hates the IRS; and he is an auditor for the IRS! Yet, will it happen? Maybe; but it will take decades to revoke their influence on the power structure!

MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/
168 posted on 11/16/2002 1:41:52 AM PST by logic101.net
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To: logic101.net
I don't think so. We outnumber them! Once we reach critical mass, there is no way the income tax and the IRS will survive.
169 posted on 11/16/2002 2:03:59 AM PST by Taxman
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To: JohnHuang2
If you get rid of income taxes, hell, I'll be tempted to pack up and move to America. Not having to pay this socialist dodge would make me very happy indeed.

Regards, Ivan

170 posted on 11/16/2002 2:20:01 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: logic101.net
If Bush got rid of the IRS, the pure love and devotion of the American public would be such that he would coast to victory in 2004. Hell, the American public would carry him on their shoulders and sing hymns of praise.

Regards, Ivan

171 posted on 11/16/2002 2:21:29 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: Taxman; CHIEF negotiator; COB1
"AbsoFReepinglutely!"

I figgered as much...LOL!! Congrats to you and those who have helped this issue get as far along as it has to date...MUD

172 posted on 11/16/2002 3:14:21 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
We are not there yet, Bro. We need the help of every pro-FReedom, pro-economic growth, pro-equality of treatment under the law Patriot out there still sitting on the sidelines.

Mr. Justice Holmes: "As life is action and passion, man must be engaged in the action and passion of his times, lest he be thought not to have lived."

Get involved, FReepers, get involved! Go to http://www.salestax.org and http://www.votr.org and get involved.

173 posted on 11/16/2002 5:17:13 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Taxman
Get involved, FReepers, get involved!

BUMP!!

174 posted on 11/16/2002 2:41:35 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: The Raven
How on earth would we prevent the REAPPEARANCE of the income tax. The Dems would simply put it back the first chance they got.

Preferably, we'd repeal the Income Tax Ammendment. Better yet, it would be nullified as never having been properly ratified.

Then, it would take a Constitutional Ammendment to reimpose a federal income tax. And that would be very hard!

175 posted on 11/16/2002 2:53:18 PM PST by DakotaGator
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To: MadIvan
The problem is getting rid of the IRS; just the act of doing so. However; I think you overestimate the hate of the population for the IRS. Had there been a huge segment of the population that wanted to eleminate the IRS, Alan Keyes would have easily won the GOP primary.

Saddly, most people don't ever look at their gross pay and compare it to their net pay. Those that file the 1040EZ form have little concern about the IRS. They don't even have to spend an extra $200 every year for an accountant like I do! Plus their tax form takes 10 minutes, they don't have any clue as to how twisted and complicated the tax laws are.

MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/
176 posted on 11/16/2002 4:26:38 PM PST by logic101.net
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To: nopardons
You are arguing against the NRST without fully comprehending what it is and what it does. I'd urge you to read H.R. 2525 and H.R. 2717 very carefully before make any more assumptions about what is and is not re: the NRST.

You might be pleasantly surprised.
177 posted on 11/16/2002 7:07:23 PM PST by Taxman
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To: EternalVigilance
Get involved, FReepers, get involved! Go to http://www.salestax.org and http://www.votr.org and get involved.
178 posted on 11/16/2002 7:08:10 PM PST by Taxman
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To: The Raven
After the NRST becomes law of the land, no dufuss Representative or Senator will dare jump up and suggest that the US needs to reinstitute a progressve income tax.

Under the NRST, the economy will take off like a Saturn Five rocket to the moon and Americans will be doing so well economically that they would run said dufuss Representative or Senator out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered.

The idea is that the NRST will FRee the economy, causing such an increasing rate of economic growth and individual and corporate prosperity that no one will dare "tinker" with it, for fear of tar and feathers, liberally applied (or the political equivalent thereof)!
179 posted on 11/16/2002 7:18:38 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Jim Robinson
Yes!! If Bush can pull this off and end the tyranny of the income tax and the IRS and their goon squads, then he will go down as the greatest president in history

Absolutely!! I would never have dreamed that this could even have been discussed as a serious possibility in our lifetimes. If this comes to pass I will become a stronger advocate of GW than even you. This could truly re-invigorate the Republic and put us on the path to regaining our freedom.

If I could have one but prayer answered for this country it would be ending the slave tax. After that I truly believe the rest could fall into place.

180 posted on 11/16/2002 7:19:52 PM PST by carpio
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