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National sales tax gains momentum
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, November 13, 2002 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 11/12/2002 11:46:28 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Lawmakers and experts who support fundamental tax reform are eyeing a consumption-tax plan being worked out by the Bush administration that they believe if implemented would make the U.S. tax code much simpler to follow and be a boon to economic growth.

The administration's plan, first reported by the Washington Post last month, calls for shifting the tax system away from taxing income and targeting consumption instead. The paper reported that administration tax policy wonks within the Treasury Department are still working out the details, and that their progress has largely been kept under wraps.

Officially, White House tax-policy experts have spent the past year working on reform options to present to the president, but "economists and tax lobbyists close to the effort believe that Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill is serious about elevating tax reform on Washington's agenda," said the Post.

Some experts and lawmakers have long complained that the government's system of taxation is painfully complex, difficult to administer, too costly and inefficient. The labyrinth of rules and regulations – mostly the work of a Congress seeking to curry favor with constituents and business interests – grows increasingly more convoluted by the year.

While it may not be a panacea for hard-core tax opponents, a consumption-based system is seen at least as a more equitable way of raising the money necessary to fund government functions, according to supporters.

"The Bush administration's plan to move toward a consumption-based tax is a winner on all fronts," says Chris Edwards, the libertarian CATO Institute's director of fiscal policy. "A consumption-based tax would be simpler, more efficient, pro-growth and fairer to taxpayers."

In a policy briefing, Edwards said a consumption tax would not only benefit consumers, but the businesses they patronize as well.

"On the business side, a consumption-based tax would scrap the complex depreciation system for immediate capital expenses. That reform would make U.S. businesses much more competitive in the world economy and create an investment boom that would drive Americans' wages higher," he said.

"On the individual side, a consumption-based tax could be arrived at by greatly expanding the Roth IRA and turning it into a Universal Savings Account. That would boost the savings rate and increase financial security for all Americans," Edwards added.

Consumer spending comprises two-thirds of the U.S. economy and was credited with helping curb a recession in 2001.

The consumption tax is also a staple of Americans for Fair Taxation, a tax-reform group that says taxing goods and services is simpler and fairer.

"Georgia is a prime example of the power of the frustrated taxpayer. In several congressional races and one Senate race, Fair Tax supporters and angry taxpayers worked to produce major upsets in support of pro-Fair Tax candidates. We witnessed this in other key races across the nation," says Genie Hayes, a spokeswoman for the group.

"We expect that these recent political victories will solidify the White House's decision to make tax replacement … into a key part of the president's agenda," she added.

Hayes said the Post report "confirms what we have been told by Washington insiders for the last two years – President Bush is listening to the American taxpayer."

"Any tax reform must result in a tax code that is simple, fair, voluntary, transparent, border neutral, industry neutral, strengthens Social Security and has manageable transition costs," said Rep. John Linder, R-Ga., in The Washington Times Oct. 28.

"These neutral principles would all be fulfilled by my proposal to eliminate all income and payroll taxes and replace them with a national retail sales tax," said Linder, author of the Fair Tax Act of 2001.

That's a good idea, says Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, as long as Americans don't end up with both an income tax and a consumption tax, as is the case in most of Europe.

"My worry," he told WorldNetDaily, "is that somewhere down the road, after we replace the income tax with a consumption tax, the American people will get saddled with an additional income tax."

Critics of a consumption-based sales tax say adding a levy at the point of sale would likely lead to less consumer spending, thereby worsening a weakened economy. Also, they say a national sales tax would have to be astronomical for the government to collect its current level of revenues.

William Gale, a senior fellow in economic studies at the Brookings Institute, a public-policy think tank, estimates that proposals to replace virtually all federal revenues with a 23 percent tax-inclusive national sales tax rate are based on assumptions that real government spending would decline by $480 billion per year, and that there would be no tax avoidance, evasion or political erosion of the tax base.

"Correction for these assumptions indicates that the required tax-inclusive rate would be over 50 percent," he writes in a 1999 policy paper.

But some economists say reducing income taxes means Americans will have more disposable income – and will spend it.

Indeed, the Commerce Department reported earlier this month that "robust" consumer spending contributed to third quarter economic growth at twice the rate of growth in the second quarter of this year. GDP climbed at a 3.1 percent annual rate in the three months from July to September, up from the preceding quarter's 1.3 percent rate.

"The largest contributors to the step-up were an acceleration in consumer spending – especially for motor vehicles – and a slowdown in imports," said the department.

Other critics support tax cuts as a way to reduce government spending.

"The tax shift is one of the great games of government. In the game, the government uses the prospect of lowering one tax in order to buy support for raising another," says Lew Rockwell, president of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a libertarian economic think tank based in Auburn, Ala. "The proposal to move from an income tax to a consumption tax is a good example of the game."

Rockwell told WND that "the essential key to understanding the trick is to realize that the government wants money and is going to get it one way or another."

"Zigzagging from one method to another does not change the reality, but it can fool the gullible. And it can raise a lot of money from affected groups during the transition period," he said.

Fundamentally, Paul agrees. He also believes that for Americans to achieve real tax reform, the government has to become more frugal.

"I think if we waved a wand today and had a sales tax implemented and the income tax removed, we really don't solve a lot of our problems because we still have the (government) spending side to deal with," he said.

Other experts say that millions of Americans are paying more than their fair share of taxes under the current system.

"The total tax burden on Americans is – and will remain – at near-record levels," says an assessment by the Heritage Foundation, a public-policy think tank in Washington, D.C. "Marginal tax rates are far too high, savings and investment are still subject to discriminatory taxation, and needless complexity in the Internal Revenue Code foments corruption and adds a hidden compliance tax on productive activity."

Rockwell says the argument for a consumption-versus-income tax rests on a few key principles.

Supporters claim "the consumption tax is at least voluntary," he said, but "actually, it is just as coercive as any tax."

"Under the income tax, if I earn income and don't pay the tax, I can be fined and jailed," said Rockwell. "Under the consumption tax, if I consume a taxed item and don't pay the tax, I get fined and jailed.

"It's true that I can choose not to consume that item. Similarly under the income tax, I can choose not to earn income," he added. "Nothing is voluntary if I am not permitted to exempt myself. There is no such thing as a voluntary tax. If there were, it would be called something else."

Meanwhile, now that Republicans are back in control of both houses of Congress, the administration will seek to make a set of tax cuts set to expire in 2010 permanent, while working on another tax-cut package to include reducing the taxation on share dividends, the Financial Times reported last week.

The new tax cuts, in addition to the Federal Reserve's half-point cut last week in the rate banks charge each other for overnight loans, will be aimed at helping consumers reduce personal debt and get their own financial houses back in order without inducing another slowdown, according to White House economists.

"If we look at the personal savings numbers, the reach for excess in the 1990s is being unwound," said Larry Lindsey, Bush's chief economic adviser. "I think that will continue, and it makes it incumbent on us to maintain real personal disposable income.

"The tax code is a luxury the economy can no longer afford," he said this week.

Others were more pointed.

"While Republicans will control Washington, they'll also be under the gun to deliver an economic turnaround," said an analysis last week in BusinessWeek magazine. "If they pull it off, they can look forward to an even giddier Election Night 2004. If not, there won't be much room for excuses."

Paul was not optimistic.

"I don't think any more will happen [on tax reform and reduction] now than happened during the Reagan administration or since Republicans took over the House in 1994," he said.

"The one thing no one should expect, despite the rhetoric, is that their taxes are going to go down, because government needs money now more than ever," Paul added. "I hope there's serious debate, but I don't see much happening."


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To: Jim Robinson
Holy shit. I'm doing one of my JimSpy missions and you're saying all the right things. The JimRob I know and love.

You just made my day sir.

101 posted on 11/14/2002 3:43:11 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Jim Robinson
Quoting the constitution and getting to the heart of REAL issues!
102 posted on 11/14/2002 3:44:50 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Jim Robinson
Took the words right off my keyboard.


103 posted on 11/14/2002 3:50:54 PM PST by unixfox
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To: AAABEST
Well, despite the claims of those of no faith, my views have not changed one iota. My long term mission remains the same as it's always been. Long term is to restore the Constitution to its rightful place as the supreme law of the land. Short term is to block as many American hating socialism loving democrats as possible from gaining power. And, sorry, Libertarians are too few and too weak to matter other than to act as spoilers in a handful of races. It's Democrats vs Republicans. That's it for the forseeable future. And I'll proudly stand with the Republican vs the Democrat in every race in this great country, thank you very much.
104 posted on 11/14/2002 4:16:35 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
It's a little more complicated than pulling levers on election day Jim. There's a whole lot more to America than that. You don't have to thank me, I'm just doing what I do.
105 posted on 11/14/2002 4:43:04 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Thanks, but it's not complicated at all. Like I said, it's a two party system. You're either gonna have Democrats or Republicans running the government. I don't want it to be Democrats. It ain't exactly rocket science.
106 posted on 11/14/2002 4:56:10 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
OK lemme get this straight. All we're supposed to do as Americans is go to the polls every 2 years and push buttons for one party or the other? There's nothing else we can do to create awareness, effect change or do our civic duty?

Sorry, some of us look at effecting change as much, much more than that. You should too. It kind of is like rocket science, as it's going to take a lot of very smart and very dedicated people to engender substantive change. There's much more to America that party politics.

107 posted on 11/14/2002 5:15:31 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Well, I'll put it this way. I would love nothing better than to see the complete destruction of the leftist/marxist Democrat Party before it completely destroys what's left of America. Then the political battle can be waged between the Republicans and the Libertarians or which ever major parties can muster enough strength to win the voters. In the meantime, we will continue on best as we can.
108 posted on 11/14/2002 5:21:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I would love notihng more than to see the destruction of the socialist party. The Libertarians are nearly irrelevant at this point.

I'm saying is there is so much going on out there, outside of the party politics "box". There are many ways to make a footprint, many ways to affect politics and accomplish the mission posted on the index.htm of this forum.

What's needed is very dedicated Americans who use the gifts that God has given them to do what's needed to be done.

109 posted on 11/14/2002 5:45:25 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Well, I'm hoping we FReepers can continue on what we've been doing. I mean, I don't think we've just been whistling Dixie here. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!
110 posted on 11/14/2002 5:57:18 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Richard Kimball
AMEN!!! If the KILL the income tax, a national retail sales tax is fine. But if they only lower it, then they can raise taxes just by jacking up the income tax one year and the sales tax the next.

That's why HR2525 entirely eliminates the income tax and destroys existing tax records. It wouldn't be easy to start it up again. After the NRST is in place, the 16th Amendment should be repealed, but practically it can't be done beforehand.

111 posted on 11/14/2002 6:03:20 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: Dead Dog
" Used " books and jewels and furniture and paintings and object D'art are ALL now sunject to sales tax. Never heard of " A-N-T-I-Q-U-E-S " ? "Used " clothing, in some parts of this country, are also now sunject to sales tax. Since a " sales tax " is the same as a CONSUPTION TAX , which is what is being suggested to replace ethe income tax ( or didn't you read the article ? ), it stands to reason that there would be NO revocation of a sales PLUS a consumption tax, should this ever ( GOD forbid ! ) pass into being.

No goods nor services will come down in price. That's NOT how the world works.

With a very reduced , or NO ( prefferable ) Capital Gains tax, we'd be far better off, than with a consumption tax on EVERYTHING ; including stock / option / mutual fund investiment. You obviously know nothing about the market.

I don't pay sales tax at the beauty parlour. Should this pass, I would have to. WHERE IS THE SAVING ?

I don't pay sales tax on a lot of things, now. I'm in the higest income tax bracket and yes, I AM over taxed ! This solution, as much as you like it, would make me pay even MORE; unless I stopped buying things that aren't totally necessary. I guess that you have no memories of what transpired, when the " LUXURY TAX " , on certain items, was instituted. Hint, hint ... yacht & luxury boat builders almost went out of business completely.

112 posted on 11/14/2002 8:38:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Competition is how the world works. If I can profit by producing and selling a product cheaper than you, and I have the resources and ability to do, I will. Or someone else will.
113 posted on 11/14/2002 8:41:14 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: WileyC
Since I haven't EVER ( we paid the full price, whenever we bought a place ) a mortgage, I don't personally care about a mortgage deduction. OTOH, most people DO and having to pay a consumption tax, when buying a home / co-op / condo will stiffle the housing market.

As for charitable giving, the high enders wouldn't donate as much. You want proof ? Once musem donations were tightened up / lowered , re deductability, they've all fallen off.

114 posted on 11/14/2002 8:44:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
Some people don't want to own a home ( as unbelieveable, as that might seem to you ) and prefer to rent. This then penalizes renters.

I don't know where YOU live; however, a $100,000 house / apartment , in the areas that I am familiar with, are SHACKS !

115 posted on 11/14/2002 8:47:35 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
That they will; but that brings us back to those here, screaming about things being made in China, etc.; doesn't it ? :-)
116 posted on 11/14/2002 8:51:49 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
Competition is how the world works. If I can profit by producing and selling a product cheaper than you, and I have the resources and ability to do, I will. Or someone else will.

It's a marvelous and excellent concept when practiced on a level playing field, such as the common set of laws and regulations defined by the jurisdictional boundaries of our Constitution.

Other than that, I'm not very fond of the prospect of "competeing" with Chinese wages and benefits. That giant sucking sound is like an enormous economic black hole.

117 posted on 11/14/2002 8:52:28 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Jim Robinson
The end of the income tax and its replacement by the NRST will do all of these things and more:

Restore liberty.

Restore personal and business privacy.

End the hidden nature of most of the current system.

Bring all the various taxes into ONE TAX that is transparent and visible.

Leave only one tax debate left in DC---what is the rate?

Unify all Americans in one goal---reducing the rate by cutting unconstitutional, outside the enumerated powers, spending.

Create true campaign finance reform by ending the world's largest protection racket (ask Bill Gates what happens when you don't pony up).

Remove the huge tax and compliance burden on American businesses, making them finally more competitive than anyone else in the world market.

End the competitive advantage enjoyed in our own markets by foreign producers (they now bear none of the burdens built into their products caused by tax and compliance costs)...making them pay the cost of competing in our markets by being taxed at the point of sale.

Vastly increase savings and capital formation (which are the foundation stones of productivity and prosperity).

Reverse our huge trade deficits, and bring tons of capital and high-paying jobs back to our shores.

Reempower the States, since it is they who would be collecting this tax rather than the IRS (All but a few of the states already have a simple nonintrusive structure in place for collections).

Etc., Etc, Etc.....

I have said for years that if I could accomplish any single thing through my political activism that would guarantee the future freedom and prosperity of my children and grandchildren, this would be it!

EV

118 posted on 11/14/2002 9:16:37 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
You've convinced me. Where do I sign up?
119 posted on 11/14/2002 9:18:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
LOL...I knew I didn't have to convince you! ;-)

The question in my mind for years has been 'when will we reach critical mass'---having educated enough Americans about the historical, the moral, the economic and the political reasons that we should do this---to actually create the political tsunami it would take to force the politicians to go along...giving up their most potent weapon for gaining and keeping power.

We have made huge strides in recent years within the GOP...we have virtually won the argument. But I doubt we have quite made the case yet to the American electorate. This is not a sound-bite issue.

However, if the President would truly use the bully pulpit and his vast political capital to finish the educational job, we could get there very, very quickly...and the end result would be what others on this thread have said...April 15th would be just another spring day, and George W. Bush would go down in history as one of the greatest of our Presidents.
120 posted on 11/14/2002 9:30:14 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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