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Oklahoma City Bombing - John Doe No. 2?
World Net Daily ^ | November 9, 2002 | Notra Trulock

Posted on 11/10/2002 6:17:33 AM PST by joesnuffy

Oklahoma City bombing John Doe No. 2?

Posted: November 9, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Notra Trulock © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

In 1995, the worst act of terrorism on American soil, prior to the 9/11 disaster, was committed in Oklahoma City.

On April 19, terrorists blew up the Murrah Federal Building and killed 168 Americans and wounded scores more. Not long after the bombing, Timothy McVeigh was arrested about 60 miles east of Oklahoma City and a few days later Terry Nichols surrendered to police in Herrington, Kansas. With those arrests, the Justice Department shut down any further investigation into who had committed this awful crime.

But like the Kennedy assassination, many Americans remained deeply skeptical about the government's assurances that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone in this horrible crime. And for good reason, as it seems that the FBI ignored important investigative leads, failed to interview potentially significant witnesses, and destroyed the Murrah building before experts could examine the crime scene.

The involvement of a John Doe No. 2 in the bombing has remained a simmering controversy. Skeptics ask why the FBI canceled an all-points-bulletin for a Middle Eastern male subject or subjects fleeing the scene issued in the immediate aftermath of the explosion. Numerous eyewitness accounts have identified Middle Eastern males in the company of McVeigh in the days and weeks before the bombing.

Dr. Frederic Whitehurst's allegations against the FBI crime lab sparked a Justice Department investigation that found the lab had provided "inaccurate pro-prosecution testimony in major cases including Oklahoma City." Retired Air Force General Benton K. Partin, an explosives expert, disputed the FBI's theory that the damage to the Murrah Building was caused by a single truck-bomb. His analyses were later endorsed by numerous physicists, physical chemists, and experts in structural mechanics as well as a series of live tests conducted at Eglin Air Force Base. These are just some of the lingering questions about the 1995 bombing.

Beyond covering McVeigh's execution and the FBI foul-ups that delayed it, the mainstream media have devoted little effort to digging into any of these questions. Concerned citizens have had to go to Internet media outlets like WorldNetDaily and NewsMax or be on the lookout for the occasional investigative report in obscure outlets like the Los Angeles Weekly or the London Evening Standard. In early September, the Wall Street Journal did one column on its editorial page about possible Iraqi involvement in Oklahoma City and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, but seemed to lose interest after that.

One columnist who has refused to let the story die is James Patterson, an editorial writer at the Indianapolis Star. Patterson was one of the first to report a potential crack in the wall of silence erected around the Oklahoma City bombing by the government and the elite media.

Twice in recent months, Patterson has reported that Chairman Dan Burton's House Government Reform Committee investigators have uncovered the possible whereabouts of videotapes and photographs of the Murrah Federal Building from the day of the bombing. The Final Report of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee noted the existence of such tapes, but the Justice Department has adamantly refused to release them, even in response to Freedom of Information Act requests.

Burton believes that the tapes and photographs may be held in the archives of Naval Intelligence at the Washington Navy Yard and he has issued a subpoena to the Secretary of the Navy to obtain them. The tapes are said to contain video of a John Doe No. 2 getting out on the passenger side of the Ryder truck just prior to the explosion.

Former FBI Deputy Director Weldon Kennedy told the Philadelphia Inquirer that talk of withheld videotapes is "ludicrous and insulting." Kennedy says that agents nailed down "98 to 99 percent" of McVeigh and Nichols' movements in the months before the bombing and he is absolutely convinced they acted alone. Cate McCauley, who worked on McVeigh's appeal, goes beyond Kennedy and charges that talk of Middle Eastern men helping McVeigh is "perhaps the worse case of misinformation and pandering" she has come across. The allegations, she says, are easily refutable and those who promote them are "standing on the graves of thousands of people."

A quick, easy way to resolve the controversy over John Doe No. 2 would be to simply release the videotapes and photographs and let the American public judge for itself. Release the tapes and bring this case to closure. The victims of the Oklahoma City bombing deserve nothing less.

Notra Trulock is the associate editor of Accuracy in Media's AIM Report. He is a former director of intelligence at the U.S. Department of Energy.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: middleeast; murrahbuilding; okcityok; terrorism; timmcveigh
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1 posted on 11/10/2002 6:17:33 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy
John Doe Number 2 is Jose Padilla.
2 posted on 11/10/2002 6:27:48 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: joesnuffy
The execution of McVeigh is an argument against the death penalty. It would be better to have kept him alive; important information may have been lost with his execution.

There are people who deserve the death penalty.

However, arguments that it is not an effective deterrent are probably valid.

A better argument against it is the sizeable number of convicts proven innocent by DNA analysis. One must wonder how many innocent people have been executed.

Criminals deserving of the death penalty should be incarcerated permanently and securely, with no chance of parole.

Anyone convicted of a crime, punished, and later found innocent, should be well reimbursed financially by the government, inasmuch as it is the government that is responsible for his unjust punishment. This is one thing for which I will be willing to pay taxes.

3 posted on 11/10/2002 6:40:20 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: joesnuffy; TXnMA; glorygirl
Concerned citizens have had to go to Internet media outlets like WorldNetDaily and NewsMax or be on the lookout for

...posts and pings from TxnMa, GloryGirl, etc.
Thanks for your work!
4 posted on 11/10/2002 6:42:14 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: joesnuffy
Let's cross-link:

-The OKC Bombing Roundup--

5 posted on 11/10/2002 6:45:29 AM PST by backhoe
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To: GirlShortstop
Why no posts from Glorygirl since Wellstone died?
6 posted on 11/10/2002 6:57:33 AM PST by sjersey
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To: backhoe
Lonk ~~ **Bump**
7 posted on 11/10/2002 6:59:20 AM PST by TwoStep
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To: Savage Beast
You wrote:"The execution of McVeigh is an argument against the death penalty."

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I disagree...The execution of McVeigh was a slam-dunk, no questions asked, pro-argument for the death penalty.

My only reservation...is that in this case he was executed way too fast. As I'm of the opinion that there is no way those two guys masterminded, arranged, and carried out the OKC bombing on their own. He had tales to tell...but of course, "dead men tell no tales".

FWIW-

8 posted on 11/10/2002 7:11:34 AM PST by Osage Orange
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To: Savage Beast
Criminals deserving of the death penalty should be incarcerated permanently and securely, with no chance of parole.

Great. Now how are you gonna assure no chance of escape, commutation of sentence, killings of guards, visitors or other prisoners?

Nothings can reset justice once it has played out against innocents. How is all your compassion of throwning gobs of money going to compensate Grant Snowden who missed seeing his kids grow up because he was incarcerated falsely by Janet Reno in FL. Or Cheryl Amirault who missed having children herself because she was falsely incarcerated during her child bearing years.

You need to do a little growing up.

9 posted on 11/10/2002 7:34:21 AM PST by laredo44
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To: Osage Orange
"He had tales to tell...but of course, 'dead men tell no tales'."

Yes, but that's the point. I don't argue that his execution was undeserved. I say that keeping him alive--and permanently imprisoned--would have served the same purpose, i.e. punishment, deterrent, and perhaps revenge, but would have kept those tales available. They might have been important. Their loss serves no purpose.

He should not have been executed--not because he was undeserving of it but because he might have proven useful if kept alive, and permanent incarceration would have been about as effective a punishment as execution.

10 posted on 11/10/2002 7:37:48 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: ConservativeMan55
John Doe Number 2 is Jose Padilla.

That's what I believe also.

11 posted on 11/10/2002 7:47:29 AM PST by Texas Mom
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To: laredo44
"How is...throwning gobs of money going to compensate Grant Snowden...or Cheryl Amirault"?

It won't. And generally I don't think much of reparations. However, if the government erroneously convicts and imprisons an innocent person, when innocence is proven then that same government owes reparations to that person. It is the government, after all, that made the mistake and injured an innocent.

You've been wandering through...through the streets of Laredo too long. Stay in the shade a while.

12 posted on 11/10/2002 7:50:42 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: ConservativeMan55
John Doe Number 2 is Jose Padilla.


I agree totally.
13 posted on 11/10/2002 8:11:19 AM PST by nini
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To: Savage Beast
He should not have been executed--not because he was undeserving of it but because he might have proven useful if kept alive, and permanent incarceration would have been about as effective a punishment as execution.

How would he have proven useful? I don't see any incentive on his part to provide any information once he has been convicted and sentenced, one way or the other.

14 posted on 11/10/2002 8:51:30 AM PST by templar
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To: Savage Beast
It is the government, after all, that made the mistake and injured an innocent.

To be a bit more precise, wouldn't be the jury that did this?

15 posted on 11/10/2002 8:53:54 AM PST by templar
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To: templar
"How would he have proven useful?"

One never knows. Maybe he would have been. Maybe he wouldn't have. But the possibility would have remained. Now we know that he won't be.

All I'm saying is that we should have reserved that possibility rather than discard it for no particular purpose, assuming that permanent incarceration would be about as effective as execution.

16 posted on 11/10/2002 9:16:42 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: templar
"Wouldn't be the jury that did this?"

Yes, the jury and the court, serving as agents for the government.

It could be argued that the judge and members of the jury should be held accountable for the mistake, and this is logical. However, obviously, it would bring the criminal justice system to a screeching halt. Since they serve as agents of the government, the government is responsible and should be held accountable.

17 posted on 11/10/2002 9:21:00 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: ConservativeMan55; nini; Texas Mom
John Doe Number 2 is Jose Padilla.

He might be Padilla, but maybe not. Have you ever seen this?

Andreas Strassmeier: John Doe #2?

18 posted on 11/10/2002 9:45:48 AM PST by Norman Arbuthnot
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
Padilla has the scar at the same place witnesses said John Doe had a scar. No I hadn't see the picture on the link.
19 posted on 11/10/2002 11:56:02 AM PST by Texas Mom
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
He was the first guy I remember thought to be #2. I've got a good archive of OKC stuff from the web and his name usually comes up.

Carol Howe really got my attention.

20 posted on 11/10/2002 12:17:36 PM PST by ReaganIsRight
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