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1 posted on 11/09/2002 10:39:27 AM PST by Future Useless Eater
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2 posted on 11/09/2002 10:56:13 AM PST by Travis McGee
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Immigration law says stowaway aliens are to be deported immediately, but this pair was released and given November 2002 deportation hearing dates, even though they are both said to be living in in homeless shelters and were described as likely to abscond.

I wonder how the families of the innocent murdered feel about these criminals being allowed to stay. It's not like they were here in this country to work hard, they were low-lives allowed to stay when they should have been sent back.

3 posted on 11/09/2002 11:07:17 AM PST by FITZ
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Interesting enough to bump.
4 posted on 11/09/2002 11:14:57 AM PST by cookcounty
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Excellent. Thank you.

Just little comments.

Can we track Richard Reid further?? Would love to catch him in Florida or Antiqua at the same time as the 9-11 creeps and/or these guys. Watching these two guys run all over the place gives me the same impression as the Atta gang AND the anthrax scenario.

The Sept 21 killing implicates a third party.

These two spent a lot of time with his relatives. Wonder if he was passing them some bucks?? Too many visits with too many relatives doesn't make them look very innocent to me. (Regardless of what they are saying.)

5 posted on 11/09/2002 11:25:36 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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7 posted on 11/09/2002 11:31:29 AM PST by Plutarch
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Osbourne interviewed Friday by Trentonian reporters. The 26 year old Jamacian is a singer and loves music.
Osbourne said his music was not exploitative. "It's an inspiration from God," he said. "I don't abuse the system."

Hmmm ... his music is "not exploitive" and "don't abuse the system" yet is inspired by God. What kind of music could that be?

8 posted on 11/09/2002 11:31:41 AM PST by bvw
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Racist Liar thief rapist murderer child spouse abuser homosexual bully dead beat dad violent ill tempered dangerous malingerer goldbrick meanspirited backstabbing low life insane extortionist devout muslim...
9 posted on 11/09/2002 11:33:37 AM PST by joesnuffy
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Great job of putting this time line together!
11 posted on 11/09/2002 11:42:23 AM PST by Eva
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This gets better all along.

You have the basis for a great spy type novel based on your John Muhammud time lines.
12 posted on 11/09/2002 11:45:47 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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Dec 19 2001 - Malvo and mother were arrested by INS in Washington state, and detained for one month after the school reported them for not delivering transcripts. A different report says the mother raised a stink when she arrived in Washington state, and thats how the INS got involved.

Immigration law says stowaway aliens are to be deported immediately, but this pair was released and given November 2002 deportation hearing dates, even though they are both said to be living in in homeless shelters and were described as likely to abscond. Part of the reason is the border patrol supposedly learned these two were smuggled into this country by Muhammad, and that gives the illegals more rights than a stowaway.

Muhammad appeared dangerously delusional according to his cousin - Anderson, and she is eventually showed that his duffel bag contained a rifle and ammunition. She asks him to leave the next day, but agrees to hold his padlocked duffel bag for safekeeping for a week.

I wonder how many immigration lawyers are involved here. Why can’t these predators be sued by the families of the dead? Why can’t these b@st@rds be publicly identified as public enemies who profit as public defenders with our tax money letting loose criminals in our society? Don’t ask your politicians for help because they are mostly predatory lawyers. It’s going to take mobs to weed these b@st@ards out. We need photographs and stories circulating the Internet identifying these b@st@rds.

14 posted on 11/09/2002 11:47:48 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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This is real good for an engineer. <>
15 posted on 11/09/2002 11:56:52 AM PST by blam
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Wow! Are the authorities arware of all this?
16 posted on 11/09/2002 1:02:11 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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Have you noticed the Washington Post's reports that the staff at the YMCA in Silver Spring, MD saw Muhammad and Malvo work out several times in late August and early September? Have you noticed the report in last Sunday's Washington Post that a woman in Silver Spring observed the two in their dark car driving slowly along her block in late September, after the heat broke? You might want to add those things to your chronology.
19 posted on 11/09/2002 1:09:09 PM PST by aristeides
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Antigua

20 posted on 11/09/2002 1:22:37 PM PST by Consort
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John Muhammad flew to Antigua August 2002 on fake ID

It's good to see that the 4-hour lines to get through airport security are paying off.

21 posted on 11/09/2002 1:30:06 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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September 21 2002 @ closing time - Montgomery Alabama - Muhammad / Malvo and a presumed a 3rd person commit a hold-up outside an ABC Beverages liquor store as the doors are being locked. A clerk is shot in the back of the head, it glanced off and exited her cheek. She survives. [this was probably the low-power .22 bullet] The manager is shot in the back and dies. One of these women were shot with the high-powered .223 Bushmaster. Police arrive and see Muhammad rummaging thru a purse, holding the handgun. No one saw anyone holding the .223 Bushmaster. A third person assists their escape using the blue Chevrolet Caprice. The .22 caliber Magnum was dropped in a chase, and found under leaves in October.

What I want to know is if they were at the Islamic training camp in marion, AL, just outside Montgomery. What do you think?

24 posted on 11/09/2002 10:22:00 PM PST by me3
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Still to be explained is where the money came from for all this flying around by a man of no visiable means. I make 70K and I cann't fly around like that.
28 posted on 11/10/2002 1:56:50 PM PST by fella
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