Physical Evidence Points to Foul-Play in TWA Flight 800 Disaster

11/9/02 | John Fiorentino

[JohnFiorentino]

(Below are excerpts from a forthcoming story on TWA Flight 800. They are being released now in the interest of furthering the goal of re-opening the investigation into that air disaster)

Evidence I have recently uncovered would seem to indicate that the pellets referred to in the BNLabs report may be an indicator of foul play re: TWA800. (The pellets being referred to here were recovered from several victims of the crash at autopsy)

The general consensus among several experts I have contacted indicates the pellets are CMC's or Ceramic Matrix Composites. (most likely pizeoelectric ceramics) Boeing has already indicated to me that they are NOT from the aircraft.

I have investigated the possibility these pellets may have come from the engines of the 747. However, in conversations and research with Pratt & Whitney I have ruled this out. Although some CMC's are utilized on P&W later model engines they were not in use on the engine models which powered TWA Fl800.

Below you will find some information regarding these materials.

(Some sources have been witheld)

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Piezoelectric materials generate an electrical voltage when their surfaces are stretched or compressed as a result of vibration.

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Over time, the company began to investigate other applications for its bone conduction technology. "In the early 70s, we started to work with General Dynamics on the Stinger Missile System,"

Harold Holsopple, President, Sensory Devices, Inc.,

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I apologize for not responding earlier. ........ from your description, it appears that the material could be some type of titanate-zirconate. Ca and Ba are common elements found in titanates. These are mostly piezoelectric ceramic materials.

My experience is mostly in mechanical properties of structural type ceramics. These appear to be electronic ceramics.

(Source witheld)

In conclusion, it would appear that the NTSB's stated "mechanical failure" scenario is the LEAST likely among the three categories initially considered -- Bomb, Missile, Mechanical failure.

Based on the foregoing I believe NTSB and FBI should be compelled to re-open their investigations.

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Copyright 2002, John E. Fiorentino -- All rights reserved

[cinFLA]

Why not wait for the full story?

Why not give the full story?

[Asmodeus]

"Comments from YOU re: "personal attacks" are really quite humorous."

By that response, you have confrmed your receipt and review of my posting #56 to you - without claiming any inaccuracies in it.

[ctnoell]

Loyal Clinton confidants or ordinary officials keeping quiet for fear of swift Clinton revenge (examples: Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Linda Tripp,
Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, maybe even Vince Foster or Ron Brown?).

[GBA]

" You must realize by now that Asmodeus isn't interested in verifying anything. His sole purpose is obfuscation and disruption."

I, for one, believe that the official explanation for what happen to TWA FLT 800 is wrong and may even be part of some cover up that benefited the Clinton administration and Clinton's standings in the polls and his re-election efforts. However, I don't believe that Asmodeus' "sole purpose is obfuscation and disruption." For all I know, his motive may be the same as mine: to know the truth.

I want you to win this one, but your attempting to question or slander one of your best critics' motives is unconvincing, lowers you, and reflects poorly on your efforts. Beat him with facts and you win this for all of us who are on your side.

I am praying that you have legally convincing evidence. The victims of Flt. 800 and the rest of us need to know. I'd like to be able to trust the relevent government agencies...again. I apologize for the sermon.

[Wil H]

Perhaps you would care to explain how over a hundred independent witness would provide evidence of a streak going up from the surface to the aircraft, and that their sightings triangulate to a single point of origin?

[Houmatt]

Forget it.

This clown has been defending the official (sic) version for as long as I have been here.

I promise you, he is going to tell you

there were no witnesses.

[Asmodeus]

A large number of attorneys were retained by the Flight 800 familys shortly after the crash to protect their interests and they include many of the most expert and experienced attorneys in air crash investigations and trial to be found anywhere in the world. The "lead" attorney is Lee Kreindler. The following is from his bio.

[quote]
Lee S. Kreindler is a trial and appellate lawyer specializing in the handling of air crash cases. He is senior partner of Kreindler & Kreindler, a firm which spends full time on litigation arising out of airline, military, and private airplane crashes, products liability, and cases arising out of industrial accidents and injuries.

Mr. Kreindler is:

Past President and Dean of the International Academy of Trial Lawyers. A Fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers.

Former Chairman of the Aviation Litigation Committee of the Litigation Section of the American Bar Association.

Former Chairman of the Aviation Law Section of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America.

Author of Aviation Accident Law, (three volumes; Matthew Bender; 1963, revised 1971, updated yearly), and numerous law review, law journal and bar publication articles on aviation law.

Mr. Kreindler has been unanimously elected by the plaintiffs' lawyers handling the Swissair Flight 111 cases arising out of the crash of the McDonnell Douglas MD 11 aircraft at Peggy's Cove, Nova Scotia on September 2, 1998, as Chairman of the Plaintiffs' Committee that will be suggested to the Court. Our firm currently represents the families of 48 of the deceased passengers in that disaster.

Mr. Kreindler is presently acting as Chairman of the Plaintiffs' Committee and Co-Lead Counsel in the litigation arising out of the TWA 800 disaster off Long Island, New York on July 17, 1996; was appointed Lead Counsel and Chairman of the Plaintiffs' Committee in the Pan Am 103 Lockerbie litigation at the inception of the case, was in charge of the preparation of the cases and was principal trial lawyer for the plaintiffs. He served as one of the lead counsel in the Multi-District Litigation arising out of the Northwest Airlines MD-80 crash in Detroit in 1987 and has served as Lead Counsel or Member of the Plaintiffs' Steering Committee in Multi-District Litigation arising out of Turkish Airlines DC-10 crash in Paris, 1974; Air India 747 crash in Bombay, 1978; the American Airlines DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979; the Delta Airlines L-1011 crash in Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas, 1985; and the Arrow Air DC-8 crash in Gander, Newfoundland, 1985.
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Does John Fiorentino or anyone else with their plug wires in proper order really believe that people like that have connived with the U.S. government to "coverup" a missile shootdown or bombing of TWA 800, making themselves vulnerable to disbarment, criminal prosecution, imprisonment, massive civil lawsuits by the victim's families, etc.?

Mr. Fiorentino claims to be a very experienced and competent paralegal. If so, he's presumed to either know what competent legal representation is, what the applicable State Bar Rules of Professional Conduct are, what compelling evidence is, what the applicable criminal laws are, what the applicable civil laws are - or, how to conduct the research necessary to find out. He's also presumed to know the importance of having all that - and his own investigation, reviewed by a competent attorney to see if he has it right.

It remains to be seen whether he will provide us with a meaningful response to Reply #60 without further delay but it seems to me unlikely from his paper trail that he ever will.

[nanny]

i, too, tend to think there was something wrong with the official version of the downing of this plane. It just comes from personal feeling and years of watching the political arena and knowing the amount of garbage American people will swallow because they don't want to face the truth. However, I have no facts or figures and I know nothing about aviation, explosives, so do have a somewhat open mind.

[ Fiorentino or anyone else with their plug wires in proper order really believe that people like that have connived with the U.S. government to "coverup" a missile shootdown or bombing of TWA 800, making themselves vulnerable to disbarment, criminal prosecution, imprisonment, massive civil lawsuits by the victim's families, etc.?]

Now, I have stated that I do have a somewhat open mind - but am not persuaded one bit by the supposed vulnerability to disbarment, criminal prosecution, etc., of a group of trial lawyers - as a valid argument. You probably have some good arguments in your arsenal. But to say they would be more frightened of disbarment, criminal prosecution,e tc. than of the US Government - that is not an argument. If these people do know the government was involved or covered up, do you really think whether or not they would loose their license be their primary worry. It certainly wouldn't be mine. If you knew the facts and they pointed to the government and you were in a position to actually do something about it, and knowing they had already downed a plane load of innocent people and covered it up so far, what would you do? Think about it.

[Man of the Right]

Since far more civil aviation passengers have been killed by terrorists than by accidents in recent years, we ought to assume that any crash is the result of foul play until proven otherwise.

I always found the Pierre Salinger theory preposterous (I find Pierre Salinger preposterous): the Navy doesn't launch missiles in Long Island Sound whether by intention or misadventure.

Conversely, a shoulder-fired missile is plausible if the aircraft was flying low and slow enough. Prior to 9-11, the NTSB's predeliction would have been to declare any incident an accident unless bin Laden bought an hour of air time during the Superbowl to announce he was responsible with video proof.

I'd told Stinger missiles are rather fragile. They can't be abused and fired decades later like the AK-47s and Enfields so dear to the Afghans.

On the other hand, I'm also told portable SAMs of all origins are readily available from state sponsors of terrorism and on the private arms market.

The Connecticut, Queens, Gander and Air India crashes all cry out for new investigations now that the blinders have been partially removed from our national consciousness.

[GBA]

"If you knew the facts and they pointed to the government and you were in a position to actually do something about it, and knowing they had already downed a plane load of innocent people and covered it up so far, what would you do? Think about it."

Exactly right. After watching the Clinton crime family in action, after reading about the supposed Clinton death list (which seems rather plausible, unfortunately), after Waco, after etc., I tend to think as you do. I'm sure that no matter how powerful or well connected or how damaging one's information, there is someone or something that they value, that can be threatened to the point where they keep quiet or lie under oath.

"Missile? what missile? Terrorist? I di'n't see no terrorist."

[Clintons Are White Trash]

I had an extended conversation with a retired TWA pilot who flew that route pretty regularly - he had flown that aircraft in from Paris just a few days before the explosion.

He related to me that none, absolutely NONE of the pilots believe this was any kind of mechanical failure. He went into a detailed explanation of the fuel tanks and mixers, etc. and how it would have been preposterous to come to the conclusion that the NTSB did but I can't remember all the details.

What a shame this has been covered up the way it has - it cost TWA it's business.

[JohnFiorentino]

No need to apologize. Your points are well taken. My only defense, albeit a weak one, is my protracted experience with one Asmodeus, aka Elmer Barr.

I will try to avoid wasting time on jousting in the future.

[JohnFiorentino]

Well, what I would be most interested in, is some of these pilots coming forward with their opinions.

If you can persuade some of them to talk, I assure you I will guarantee anything they say will remain confidential.

I would hope they would come forward without hesitation, or the need for confidentiality. I do understand however, why that may not be possible.

If you can assist me, I would be most greateful.

[eno_]

You da man!

The cermaic pellets are an incontrovertable fact. They were recovered from bodies of victims, and were analyzed by a lab that published their results. This is all part of the public record, and is the closest thing I have seen to a smoking gun.

As you said, ceramics were used in some jet engines, but not in 747s of that vintage, and an unlikely source of shrapnel in victims in any case.

My guess is that these are from the joints in a continuous-rod SAM warhead.

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[Oberon]

Don't know how this impacts your theory -- unless you were were trying to make the logic leap that the presence of ceramic/metal composites indicates the presence of a piezoelectrically fired or fuzed missile. In that case, your theory falls apart. Ceramic/metal composites and piezoelectric ceramics are totally different animals.

All of which rather begs the question... if they weren't part of the aircraft, how did they get there?

[JohnFiorentino]

I'll be happy to respond Asmodeus. Below you will find some excerpts from one of Kreindler's lawsuits re: Flight800.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

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ERIC C. JOHNSON, individually and as
personal representative and Executor
of the Estate of LEONARD JAMES
JOHNSON, deceased,

Plaintiff,

-against-

TRANS WORLD AIRLINES, INC., and
THE BOEING COMPANY,

Defendants.

On July 17, 1996, at approximately 8:45 p.m., about eleven minutes
after TWA flight 800 took off from Kennedy Airport, a mechanical,
structural and/or electrical failure occurred aboard the subject
Boeing 747, causing a limited explosion of the center fuel cell of the
aircraft, followed by chain reaction structural failures and fires,
causing the plane to break up in mid-air.

The center fuel cell explosion caused burning fuel vapors to travel
through the vent lines of the right wing and out of the right wing
tip; the burning vapors then began to extinguish and receded back
toward the aircraft fuselage; as a result, ground eyewitnesses saw a
streak of light heading toward the aircraft which was in some accounts
mistaken for a missile.

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Civil No.:

COMPLAINT


PLAINTIFF DEMANDS A TRIAL BY JURY

Plaintiff Eric C. Johnson, by his attorneys Kreindler & Kreindler,
respectfully alleges:

(excerpts)


Perhaps you can explain to the readers, how he arrived at 1) his time for the disaster, placing it at "approx. 8:45pm" and 2) his rather vivid description of what HE contends the "ground witnesses" saw re: the "streak" of light.

Please provide, if you will the FACTUAL basis for Mr. Kreindler's contentions.

I anxiously await your reply.

[eno_]

See my #74. I think the pellets (balls) are from the joints in a continuous-rod warhead. These materials are exceptionally strong, which one would need in a joint designed to be opened with a high explosive.

[eno_]

You da man again.

Asmodeus is bad enough as just a crank or disruptor. If he is a paid shill for a sleazy tort lawyer, his posts should all be deleted as pollution.

[eno_]

Since far more civil aviation passengers have been killed by terrorists than by accidents in recent years, we ought to assume that any crash is the result of foul play until proven otherwise.

Excellent point. And that's just the acknowledged ones.

Conversely, a shoulder-fired missile is plausible if the aircraft was flying low and slow enough...

On the other hand, I'm also told portable SAMs of all origins are readily available from state sponsors of terrorism and on the private arms market.

Now you're talking. If it was fired from a boat, it does not need to be man-portable.

The Connecticut, Queens, Gander and Air India crashes all cry out for new investigations now that the blinders have been partially removed from our national consciousness.

Not to mention the Russian flight out of Israel. We are supposed to believe a Ukainian SAM flew clear from the other end of the Black Sea and hit it. Right. I want to visit the officer that took the fall for that in his new villa in Monaco.