Physical Evidence Points to Foul-Play in TWA Flight 800 Disaster

11/9/02 | John Fiorentino

[JohnFiorentino]

(Below are excerpts from a forthcoming story on TWA Flight 800. They are being released now in the interest of furthering the goal of re-opening the investigation into that air disaster)

Evidence I have recently uncovered would seem to indicate that the pellets referred to in the BNLabs report may be an indicator of foul play re: TWA800. (The pellets being referred to here were recovered from several victims of the crash at autopsy)

The general consensus among several experts I have contacted indicates the pellets are CMC's or Ceramic Matrix Composites. (most likely pizeoelectric ceramics) Boeing has already indicated to me that they are NOT from the aircraft.

I have investigated the possibility these pellets may have come from the engines of the 747. However, in conversations and research with Pratt & Whitney I have ruled this out. Although some CMC's are utilized on P&W later model engines they were not in use on the engine models which powered TWA Fl800.

Below you will find some information regarding these materials.

(Some sources have been witheld)

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Piezoelectric materials generate an electrical voltage when their surfaces are stretched or compressed as a result of vibration.

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Over time, the company began to investigate other applications for its bone conduction technology. "In the early 70s, we started to work with General Dynamics on the Stinger Missile System,"

Harold Holsopple, President, Sensory Devices, Inc.,

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I apologize for not responding earlier. ........ from your description, it appears that the material could be some type of titanate-zirconate. Ca and Ba are common elements found in titanates. These are mostly piezoelectric ceramic materials.

My experience is mostly in mechanical properties of structural type ceramics. These appear to be electronic ceramics.

(Source witheld)

In conclusion, it would appear that the NTSB's stated "mechanical failure" scenario is the LEAST likely among the three categories initially considered -- Bomb, Missile, Mechanical failure.

Based on the foregoing I believe NTSB and FBI should be compelled to re-open their investigations.

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Copyright 2002, John E. Fiorentino -- All rights reserved

[ctnoell]

Of the three, choice "b" is most likely. Vince Foster, Ron Brown, who's next? With choice "a", eventhough Clinton loathed the military, he still found it useful to wipe his scandals off of the front pages. With choice "c", I doubt that our military may have screwed up (eventhough Kennedy's former press secretary, Pierre S*******, whatever his name is, thinks this). However, that too is possible as Clinton allowed our military to decay from the prominence we enjoyed during the late 80's/early 90's. Who knows?

[exnavy]

One thing is very clear to most of us,this was no accident. Who ever was behind this got away with it because of gubment ineptitude.

[pie_eater]

Military screwups are one thing when you're in a battle zone and there are armed pilots flying around. As in the El Al flight that was shot down last year or in the two helicopters full of generals that were supposedly shot down over Iraq about 10 years ago by our own pilots (although I heard from a source that they were actually taken down by ground fire).

But in an era where they wouldn't even let our Naval guards on ships carry loaded weapons (remember the USS Cole...the guards' weapons weren't loaded so they couldn't shoot the speedboat), I doubt that a military screwup would shoot down the plane, as there wouldn't be a military there to screw up.

But don't discount "A". There are many things that the governments suppresses because they don't want to deal with them at the time. What fool thinks that the tail of that jet just fell off and crashed it into Rockaway? It was a bomb, clearly.

[TXnMA]

BTW Where do you see the term "ceramic-metal" composites in my article?

You are, of course, correct. However, "CMC" is frequently used for both "Ceramic Metal Composites" and "Ceramic Metal Composites".

IF piezoelectric ceramic composites were used in a missile, they would probably be in the form of a small chip or slab that produces a spark when struck. (Think of the 'squeeze trgger to light' butane gadgets used for lighting gas grills, etc.) Such a device could conceivably be used to trigger the launch or to trigger the warhead upon impact.

In either case, I don't see how a significant number of piezoelectric CMC "pellets" would be involved in a single missile.

BTW, I probably have as many questions (and doubts) about the govt story on Flt 800 as 'most anyone, and I am definitely interested in the info that a significant number of CMC pellets were found embedded in corpses. And, I expect that a missile may have been involved.

I just can't see a connection between a significant number of CMC pellets (piezoelectric or otherwise) and a missile...

Please keep digging; the pony must be in there somewhere!

TXnMA (No Longer!!!)

[TXnMA]

both "Ceramic Metal Composites" and "Ceramic Metal Matrix Composites".

[Wil H]

Military screwups are one thing when you're in a battle zone and there are armed pilots flying around.

...Except the navy WERE testing a forward linked radar missile guidance system right underneath the crash area at the time of the crash...

[JohnFiorentino]

I think I HAVE "the pony".........as I said there is more to this story, which I will publish shortly. Again, the above are just excerpts from my research.

[Asmodeus]

"John Fiorentino--Author--Record Producer--Independent researcher & Paralegal Investigator. Author of forthcoming book on the assassination of President Kennedy."

Are you contending that "the pellets" came from a missile - or a bomb?

Donaldson Brothers TWA800 forum
From: John Fiorentino - 14 January 2001
As the author of a forthcoming book on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and in my occupation as a Paralegal, having investigated many "conspiracy" theories, it would seem the first step would be to prove conclusively that TWA Flight 800 was IN FACT downed by a missile or missiles. [emphasis yours]

Yahoo TWA800 forum
From: John Fiorentino - 28 May 2001
Subject: Seeking comments on this story
FBI questions crash victims' families about mysterious luggage tag
October 27, 1996 NEW YORK (CNN) -- Investigators probing the crash of TWA Flight 800 want to know more about a man named William Kabofovic, whose name was not on the passenger list but did turn up on a piece of luggage in the wreckage.

Yahoo TWA800 forum - April 12, 2002
From: John Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [twa800] Kabofovic revisited
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Most here are convinced a "missile" did the dirty deed. I'm not, not yet at least. The initial assessment was "bomb". I thought so to. I still do.
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(a) If you still contend that, please provide us all with the reference source URL's you are relying on.
(b) If you don't still contend that, please explain why and provide us all with the reference source URL's that caused you to change your mind.

[TXnMA]

I think I HAVE "the pony"

If so, and your solution fits the evidence. you're going to find many FReepers (including me) eager to "hitch up their wagons" behind you!

[Asmodeus]

"the navy WERE testing a forward linked radar missile guidance system right underneath the crash area at the time of the crash."

Please provide us all with the reference source URL you are relying on.

[Asmodeus]

Your #1: "(Some sources have been witheld)"

The only "source" you have given is the name of Harold Holsopple, President, Sensory Devices, Inc. who you allege told you - Over time, the company began to investigate other applications for its bone conduction technology. "In the early 70s, we started to work with General Dynamics on the Stinger Missile System" - and only one of those sentences is in quotes. You didn't include ANY documentation.

Your #27: "as I said there is more to this story, which I will publish shortly. "

Approximately when? Will it include documentation?

Will you publish the "story" in its entirety FIRST here in FreeRepublic?

Or will you try to SELL it first to a Commercial publisher?

In short, were your postings of the excerpts of "the story" here in FreeRepublic 11/08/2002 10:50 PM - and in Message #10126 in the Yahoo TWA800 forum Nov 8, 2002 11:04 pm, promos to help you sell "the story" to a Commercial publisher?

There's nothing wsrong with an author trying to sell his wares but I think the readers here in FreeRepublic would like to see your answers to those questions.

[Wil H]

I will have to research it for you but it was in the first report that Donaldson issued, I'm sure if you go to TWA800.com you will find references. Right now I'm late for an appointment. I'll get back to you in a day or so.

[Asmodeus]

"And all of those eyewitness accounts of seeing flaming missile streaking upward toward the aircraft prior to explosion" were quickly swept under the rug."

Most assumed the same thing initially, including James Kallstrom, because of the reports flooding in to the Coast Guard and the Suffolk County Sheriff's office of a fiery streak ending in a Massive Fireball, the assumption being that the Massive Fireball explosion was the 747 blowing up when struck by a missile. However, the timeline and altitudes of the major events was approximately as follows.

8:31:11 Intact and climbing 747 approaches 13,800 feet.

8:31:12 Initiating Event at 13,800 feet followed immediately by the commencement of the decapitation process.

8:31:43-8:31:47 Streak of light appears.

8:31:47 Explosion of Massive Fireball at 5500-7500 feet.

8:31:55-8:31:57 Splashdown of the Massive Fireball flames.
Source - The "Missile Witnesses" Myth.

Those who have believed for over six years that Flight 800 was a "shootdown" victim find that hard to believe but during all those years none of them has been able put together a sequential timeline of thir own that would support the "shootdown" allegations. Recently, Swordmaker, a "shootdown" conspiracy theorist, published a sequential timeline but it was in irreoncilable conflict with other known facts, not the least of which were the reports of the conspiracy theorists' own three Star "shootdown" witnesses. His sequential timeline can be reviewed in its entirety by clicking here.

[Asmodeus]

"I will have to research it for you but it was in the first report that Donaldson issued, I'm sure if you go to TWA800.com you will find references. Right now I'm late for an appointment. I'll get back to you in a day or so."

There are indications in the Donaldson brothers ARAP website that they interviewed 100+ witnesses but it doesn't appear that those witness reports have ever been made available to the public. Perhaps you can get Bob Donaldson to do that without further delay.

[willyone]

Speedboat? If I remember correctly a few years ago you were ranting about it being a Navy ship. So which was it? How is your buddy Rivero these days?

[willyone]

You are silly.

[JohnFiorentino]

ASMODEUS, here on FR and on the TWA800 forum has intimated that I have never posted a timeline re: Flight800. Below is the post I made on that subject on FR.

To: Asmodeus

And the point of all this is......There was no TIME for a "zoom-CLIMB"

TIMELINE (Outline) with Comments

IE 20:31:12

MF 20:31:36

Splashdown 20:31:54

But NO turn to the RIGHT----A turn to the LEFT or North as evidenced by the debris field, and sooting patterns on right wing.




757 posted on 08/25/2002 2:14 PM EDT by JohnFiorentino
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Since it was directed to him, I find it unbelievable that he never read it, as he contends.

Another glaring example of the Asmodeus MO.

[willyone]

Bull shit. Some of you people are so stupid. CEC had nothing to do with 800. Get over it. The ship named by Salinger and others did not have CEC and was incapable of supporting CEC. Wrong baseline. The people pushing this lame theory do not even know the purpose of CEC. Give it a rest.

[willyone]

Good trick if you can do it since Donaldson is deceased. When so called eyewitnesses as far away as Long Island Sound claim to have seen a missile track I say BS.