Posted on 11/08/2002 10:34:38 AM PST by Destro
Hoplite You have your popularity to fall back on and as long as you have yourself to talk to , you must be right.
I was at the scene in Racak in 1999, saw the gully were the bodies were, saw the KLA trences in the hills overlooking it etc etc. Got a first hand visual. You have not nor will you ever have the opertunity, because you will forever be sitting on your hemeroid cusion. Their I go again about your age.
Oh by the way you were getting quite upset about my comments about your old age and plumbing problems. I have always known that you are younger than what I had stated. Funny how perception of something can be changed. Like your age group for example. You did not like the image of yourself being portrayed as an old hemorrhoid infested man craping in his adult diapers, so you of course went on the defensive and had to defend your position against this WRONG PERCEPTION of the facts. You stood alone and had no one to back you up. Sound familiar? The Serbs at Racak can attest to that.
Now in comparing this little perception experiment which in reality is sickening to think about but lets move on and relate this to the KLA generated massacre at RACAK. Wild Willie Walker walks in and presents to the world the Serb massacre perception like I did about your so called hemorrhoid and bladder problem. The Serbs know that no massacre had taken place and were doing everything they can to present their side which in this case is the truth. No one there to back them up (like you whining about being younger) so they call in a forensic teams to prove their case TO THE WORLD like you had to about your age.
Does not work because the audience out there were sold on Walker's massacre perception as was the imiage of your bowel problem that got your shorts in a knot. I know your younger Hoplite but it was useful in making you older, get it?
The big question here Hoplite ARE YOU CAPABLE OF BEING WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING AND THEREFORE BE ABLE IN ADMITTING IT?
Come on Ho, everyone know you're a Ho for clinton!
You ignorantly raised a point about the bullet trajectories, and I skewered you on it.
Join me in considering the body of your post unworthy of my attention, and we can share some common ground.
I figured the KLA set the villagers up to get taken out but I didn't even think that they may have also been shooting at them. I guess that idea was too horrific for me to think of, but it makes sense.
I would not waste my time with Cain and Able, they may not have existed.
I seriously doubt they actually existed too. I meant the metaphor.
You did not mention the great spirit who started the whole F%^$king program in the first place.
I'm not really sure who that person or persons even is.
I thought I said ultimately responsible not collectively?
I have a hard time separating the two.
In any case I still like your sense of humor.
Thanks. I gotta million of 'em. It's all in the timing ;-)
You forgot the the part in bold below.
The Ottoman Turks, the Albanians that ill treated the Serbs while willing allies of the Turks, the Serbs that ill treated the Muslim Albanians...
Kosovo OSCE observers admit to distorting their 'neutral' reports to favour KLA
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/focus/news/650948/posts
Also........dear Ranta is a forensic dentist, She was either kicked off the team or was forced to resign for the final and complete Finnish report was written by 2 other Finnish Experts..........Ranta's has been discredited by her own collegues, therefore her statements are pretty worthless.
Finally, One should note that the HumWarriors Ho's refuses to acknowledge a) that the KLA commander at the Firefight testified that he gangpressed a few dozen villagers that day and b) Racak was a anti-KLA village.
The HumWarrior's insistence that these poor anti-KLA villagers were executed, may perhaps be true. But by who ? Given the full complete picture, one can only conclude that the villagers were executed by the KLA.
After all, in the last year virtually the entire leadership cadre of the KLA has been arrested for killing Albanians. The HumWarriors expect us to believe that the KLA was out killing anti-KLA Albanians everywhere in Kosovo and Metohija EXCEPT at Racak.............
that sort of lreasoning may work on CNN, but not on FR
Kosovo OSCE observers admit to distorting their 'neutral' reports to favour KLA
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/focus/news/650948/posts
Also........dear Ranta is a forensic dentist, She was either kicked off the team or was forced to resign for the final and complete Finnish report was written by 2 other Finnish Experts..........Ranta's has been discredited by her own collegues, therefore her statements are pretty worthless.
Finally, One should note that the HumWarriors Ho's refuses to acknowledge a) that the KLA commander at the Firefight testified that he gangpressed a few dozen villagers that day and b) Racak was a anti-KLA village.
The HumWarrior's insistence that these poor anti-KLA villagers were executed, may perhaps be true. But by who ? Given the full complete picture, one can only conclude that the villagers were executed by the KLA.
After all, in the last year virtually the entire leadership cadre of the KLA has been arrested for killing Albanians. The HumWarriors expect us to believe that the KLA was out killing anti-KLA Albanians everywhere in Kosovo and Metohija EXCEPT at Racak.............
that sort of lreasoning may work on CNN, but not on FR
As for the SEM-EDX method that she talked about, there's something you should know about it: "For these methods, samples must be obtained from the skin surfaces of a victim at the scene. Delay in obtaining residues, movement, or washing of the body prior to autopsy will diminish or destroy gunshot residues." Source. As she indicates in your own link, those requirements were not met. Now, as for your other "damning evidence":
each corpse had, on average, ~ 6 gunshot wounds
And what exactly is that supposed to prove? No one denies that the Serbs had automatic weapons. 6 wounds is nothing in such a battle situation. Do you recall the name Amadou Diallo? He was the unfortunate African immigrant who was gunned down by NYC police when he reached for what they had mistaken to be a weapon. He was left with 41 gunshot wounds. And all they had were handguns, not automatic weapons. In a tense situation, 41 bullets can fly in no time flat.
Signs of contact or close-range firing were recorded
ONE sign of close-range firing was recorded. Another thing that tends to happen in battle situations. Not exactly what you'd call an earth-shattering find.
The fact that bullets which had carried flesh from the victims were found in the ground under them is damning to both the Serbs who killed them and to anyone who would attempt to exculpate those killers
Flesh was found underneath the "victims"? You mean after the KLA strategically placed the bodies in the ditch where it would have the most emotional impact for the media? Too bad they forgot to put the blood underneath the bodies, too. OOOPS!
So, the most you seem to be able to do is cast lame aspersions against certain findings of the forensic teams. But you're going to have to do more than that if you want to justify NATO's bombing of Serbia. I'm still waiting to see your evidence that this was a massacre.
Ponder this: If Racak was a massacre, why did so many of the "victims" have gunpowder residue on their forearms, consistent with having discharged weapons of their own?
Then you damn well better be able to back the implicit statements they contain - something which you seem to be unwilling to do. Well, you're in luck, I can help you out and show you the source of your confusion:
The GSR finding was reported by Dr. Dobricanin, the Serb's chief pathologist in Kosovo:
"They had traces of gun-powder on their hands",
and Serbian State Prosecutor Ms. Dragisa Krsmanovic
"According to this report, the Dobricanin/Kuzmicov teams detected nitrates ( one of the components of gunpowder, but also one of the components of many everyday items such as tobacco, laundry soap, etc ) on 37 out of the 40 bodies they analyzed."
Now then, you stipulate that it was not a paraffin test, echoing Dobricanin's later attempt to confuse the issue, but this flies in the face of numerous statements to the contrary, coming from both Milosevic and those he's cross examining at his trial:
Hendrie Testimony under crossexamination from Milosevic.
P6496
11 Q. And are you aware of a report of the aluminum test with the
12 paraffin glove from the hands of people who were killed in Racak?
13 A. I am aware that the paraffin test was applied to the deceased.
Page 6523
6 Q. And were you there when the paraffin glove was taken off the
7 bodies in Racak?
8 A. I was present, sir, yes.
Naumann testimony under crossexamination from Milosevic
Page 7098
6 Q. And do you know that the findings of the Finnish, Belorussian, and
7 Yugoslav pathologists do not differ, with the exception of one single
8 case, to the effect that all had been killed by firearms fired from a
9 distance and in movement? Are you aware of that?
10 A. I'm not aware of that, and I'm not aware of the fact that the
11 findings of the Yugoslav and Belarus doctors do not -- do not differ from
12 the findings of the Finnish. I am aware of the fact that the Finnish
13 doctor stated that you and the Belarus doctors applied techniques which
14 are outdated and not very accurate.
15 Q. That was said in respect to the paraffin glove, which is a legal
16 technique and which showed that 37 out of the 40 killed had used firearms
17 to shoot with. And a paraffin glove --
Which brings us back to your statement:
Too bad it doesn't indicate that the Serbian and Belarussian team used the paraffin test.
Are we clear on this matter now?
You asked a question:
Ponder this: If Racak was a massacre, why did so many of the "victims" have gunpowder residue on their forearms, consistent with having discharged weapons of their own?
I answered it - there are no tests supporting your original claim, and asking me to disprove the negative (i.e., that tests conclusively showed there wasn't GSR on the victim's hands) isn't an option.
We need to clear this up before proceeding - either bring some supporting evidence regarding positive GSR tests or admit your error - the majority of Serb positions on Racak can be dismantled in much the same manner, but if you cannot understand the underlying logic used, it's a pointless pursuit.
Woof.
1) it was a anti-KLA village
2) the KLA gangpressed a few dozen villagers that day
3) The KLA refused to allow UNMIK and Albanians Judical authorities in to investigate
It is pretty obvious that any civilians who died that day died at the hands of the KLA.
long time,no see!
I see that we are back to the samo old arguments!?And,who are you arguing with???The greatest case for proctologist on FR?Why?I believe that you as an British soldier(right?) are aware of the fact that British troops in Kosovo were issued PARAFFIN KITS TO SCREEN ,ON SITE, MACEDONIAN ALBANIAN TERRORISTS COUGHT CROSSING THE BORDER FROM MACEDONIA TO KOSOVO?!That was at the beggining of the conflict in Macedonia.
Now,what is good for the British MoD is not good enough for this Ampula Recti(full of it),Hoplite?!Or Helena Ranta (DENTAL PATHOLOGIST) and her admirer on this site????She is a disgrace for medical proffesion,a professional medical whore....many of them arround.There is a basic rule in medical diagnostic:go from most general and obvious towards smaller things...If you see a woman with big tummy in pain,with a wet thights,think : the water is broken,she is in labour!Not:maybe she has a gigantic abdominal tumor of egzotic orrigin!!!!!Ranta has done(with purpose) exactly that:in the aftermath of firefight you look for the evidence of firefight !She was looking for the theorethical excuse to dismiss the obvious.Fertilizers in the middle of January on -10C???That`s why her report was locked in some drawer for more than 2 years.Only Hoplite and Wesley Clark (his boss) were privy to the sacred truth!
Don`t waste your time on this creature .He is only good in trading insults.Truth,logic,common sense are alien concepts for him.
Maybe,some day ,we can have that pint,after all.
All the best!
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