Chief Moose Cost Lives

WorldNetDaily ^ | 11-08-02 | Paul Sperry

[Clara Lou]

They are off the hook because it's so easy for some to take one look at Moose and slam him. It's pathetic. The guy has trouble pronouncing the -th- sound. So what? A thousand of us Freepers have not mastered the use of an apostrophe (its/it's)-- so what? /rant

[dennisw]

Sure the FBI was in on it. But Moosie LOVED the "angry white guy" profile they turned out. He was the PR agent for this profiling thus put his reputation on the line. Better not get between Moosie and a TV camera. 

Leaving out other law enforcement agencies I would blame Moosie 67% and the FBI 33%.

[Consort]

Leave Moose alone.

[Catspaw]

Moose didn't do the profiling. The FBI did. In fact, they have a number of profilers on staff and train other profilers. They even made a movie about it ("Silence of the Lambs," remember?). They got it wrong. The "racial" profiling is actually the profilers playing the percentages--there are more white serial killers than black serial killers. But it's simpler and easier to blame Moose for the inaccurate profiling than on the FBI, because he was out front and the FBI was in the background.

[Catspaw]

Leaving out other law enforcement agencies I would blame Moosie 67% and the FBI 33%.

Dennis, this is where you and I disagree. From early on, Moose was scripted by the FBI. They--along with the ATF and other federal agencies--not Moose, were running the show. Unless you can show me that the Montgomery County Sheriff's Department had a profiler on staff, the actual profiling was done by the FBI.

[Catspaw]

My grandparents pronounced words this way. Their first language was German. They had great difficulty with the "th" sound.

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>Even if the suit did get tossed, it probably wouldn't happen, would it, till after some pretty darn interesting discovery was had..?<<<

That's an interesting point. But if it's ultimately likely to get tossed, the plaintiffs should have deep pockets OR the attorneys should be able to profit from the notoriety. Judicial Watch comes to mind. His lawsuit against Dick Cheney (practically his only high profile one against a conservative) will get him less political and monetary capital now. He needs a new way to vent his energies. Why not a case like this?

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>The "racial" profiling is actually the profilers playing the percentages--there are more white serial killers than black serial killers. But it's simpler and easier to blame Moose for the inaccurate profiling than on the FBI<<<

A main point of the article seems to be, though, that Moose didn't adequately consider new leads and modify the profiling accordingly. His documented (and reprimanded) racial hostilities may have been the cause.

[dennisw]

It was not all FBI. Montgomery County has a real hot dog liberal prosecutor, Doug Gensler. Moosie, Gensler and other MC Democrat apparatchiks heartily approved of the FBI profile. MC is Democrat controlled of course

If you were in Moosie's shoes would you have gone along with this bogus profile? You have to remember that people will identify you with it because you're on TV so much. Not the FBI. It's unfortunate that Moosie is getting accolade's when he really need to get his walking papers.

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>MC is Democrat controlled of course<<<

That's starting to change, on the STATEWIDE level that is. Lt. Governor Kennedy Townsend just lost to Ehrlich, a Republican, interestingly enough.

Hmmm.... does anyone know how to include this thread in the state of Maryland category so that conservative Marylanders will see it? I've never been able to add a thread to a state after the thread's already created, just to specific topics.

[Catspaw]

Did Moose have a choice? Do you actually think he was running the show and not the FBI, ATF, US Secret Service, Postal Inspectors, and who knows what other fed alphabet agencies? If he made an objection to the profiling of the FBI, just what would he do with it? Moose was the face out front and nothing more.

If Moose was/is running the show and not the feds, why aren't Mohammed and Malvo being prosecuted in his county of Montgomery County, Maryland? It wasn't his choice. It was AG John Ashcroft's choice as to where they were prosecuted. The President got daily updates from FBI Director Mueller. The President was not getting daily updates from Chief Moose.

Moose is handy target and nothing more. I would like to place responsibility where it belongs, and the responsibility for the failure to profile the perps was with the FBI.

Can you tell me which former FBI profiling talking head said that the perps were black? I don't remember a one. There was debate about whether there was one or two, perhaps that it was a woman (the Aileen Wournos factor), but none of them--and they trained the current FBI profilers (I'm thinking Cliff Van Zandt here)--said the perps were black. They were consistent in saying it was the "angry white male" profile, Wayne Williams and Colin Ferguson (although Ferguson was a spree killer) notwithstanding. They also didn't say the perp/perps was/were Hispanic, although the railroad killer was Hispanic (Rensendiz Ramirez, I do believe).

But what I'm getting from you is that because Moose is black, he was the one who refused to allow that the perp/perps were black. Am I correct in understanding you?

[dennisw]

Did Moose have a choice? 

We all do. He could have threatened to go public with his distaste for such a profile. The FBI would have caved to this Black police chief in two minutes. Or he could have resigned. 

Do you actually think he was running the show and not the FBI, ATF, US Secret Service, Postal Inspectors, and who knows what other fed alphabet agencies? 

In the beginning YES!

If he made an objection to the profiling of the FBI, just what would he do with it? Moose was the face out front and nothing more.

You take the credit (which Moosie is) then you must handle the blame. Moosie is getting plenty of credit and no blame. An unbalanced situation. Paul Sperry is assigning blame where blame belongs. So blame the FBI too which this article doesn't get into much.

[yarddog]

The fact that Moose was Black may have something to do with his insistence that the only people to be investigated were White males.

The fact that he was an obvious Black racist almost certainly colored his view of how the investigation should be conducted.

If you think Moose does not deserve the blame because he was not really in charge, then you should be leading the charge for those who say Moose should not be getting all the credit.

I have known plenty of smart people who use bad English/grammar, but none of them have a PHD.

Moose was such a rabid racist that no one could reasonably doubt that if he were White with the same attitude towards Blacks then he would have been summarily fired if not put in jail, charged with various hate crimes.

[DonQ]

I live within the Beltway, about five miles from two of the shootings, and I think that Chief Moose did OK.

He was dealing with an unknown quantity but the best minds in the FBI and other Law Enforcement authorities (mostly white) said that, statistically, there was probably only one perp, a white male. I do not fault Chief Moose for taking instructions from the FBI and other big shots.

I should like to point out that there were several false leads, including the business about white vans, and, as with several other famous killers, the case was solved primarily because of a lucky break.

[dennisw]

If Moose was/is running the show and not the feds, why aren't Mohammed and Malvo being prosecuted in his county of Montgomery County, Maryland? It wasn't his choice. It was AG John Ashcroft's choice as to where they were prosecuted.

Choosing Virginia is the best choice and definitely done over the strenuous objections of Doug Gensler. Notice how Virginia got it the day after the Republicans did so well in the elections.

[DonQ]

But Mr. Moose said that he "respects" the sniper as a person.

After the perps were caught, there were several authoritative opinions that, while the shootings were going on, public statements by various political types calling the unknown sniper a coward and similarl insults probably provoked him (them) to do even more killing.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Someone on Fr claimed to have a relative in the investigation that worked for Moose and said Moose was leading it. The whole crew of officers, from Moose on down, is a joke. They cost lives. I would not admit I had a relative on that staff, if it were me.

[bribriagain]

Well my grandparents were German as well. But I have no problems pronouncing "th" . Do you?

[bvw]

You are deficient, evidently, in knowledge of idol-making. (Perhaps a good thing that you are so unaware of it, too.)

It's also likely Moose was more in charge than you'd admit. Look -- the Feds under Ashcroft just recently dropped the Fed charges so as to allow STATE prosecution first. D'ya think that mayhaps the Ashcroftian FBI also let the locals -- that is, Chief "Black Em-Power" Moose -- run the sniper hunt show? If nay, well then pony up the goods that back up your assertion of Fed honchoing up, for in present and demonstrated condition your assertion is the less likely one.

But to get back to Idol Making 101 ... First rule is that Idols are made, not born. Moose is being made into an idol. I don't know about y'all but, personally, I don't cotton to idols. That the Idol of Moose is being crafted right in front of your face, for the purpose of future venerational acts to be forced upon you and I -- that is more important, long-trend-wise, than who pulled the leashes during the sniper hunt.

[joesnuffy]

Good thing Ron Lantz and his Christian buddies were handy to block the suspects in for over 2 hours waiting for the swat team to 'save the day' .....