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Ugly [Wichita Massacre][BARF ALERT!]
The Wichita Eagle ^ | Thu, Nov. 07, 2002 | Randy Scholfield

Posted on 11/07/2002 11:47:11 AM PST by Lassiter

Let's avoid offensive racial overtones in Carr trial

Add us to the list of people offended by a report of the Carr brothers being hanged in effigy -- not just because it's a tasteless prank that trivializes the death penalty and the tragedy of this case for all involved.

More offensive by far is how this stunt injected inflammatory racial overtones into a case in which race played no role.

A homeowner in west Wichita recently erected a display on his front yard showing two dummies -- in black face -- hanging by nooses from trees. A sign below the dangling bodies read "Carr Bros," referring to the two brothers found guilty Monday of the December 2000 killing spree that shocked this community.

We'll take the man at his word that his display was not racially motivated; he took it down after receiving complaints that it was offensive.

But how someone in this day and age could not understand that such a mock-lynching would be racially offensive is hard to understand.

For many black Wichitans, the display recalled a time not so long ago in this country when African-Americans were routinely intimidated, terrorized and lynched by racists.

We further deplore this stunt because it encourages the misguided notion (forwarded in many letters we've received) that this was a racially motivated hate crime. Prosecutors have clearly established that greed and lust -- not racial prejudice -- motivated Reginald and Jonathan Carr to choose their victims and commit these brutal crimes.

Wichitans are understandably emotional and angry about what the Carrs did to our community. They are understandably eager for justice.

Justice will be done.

But we don't need vigilante sentiments, race-baiting comments or ugly, vengeful glee. As this emotional trial reaches its conclusion, let's keep our emotions in check and work toward community healing, not hate and division.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: blackracism; carr; hatecrime; jonathancarr; kansas; reginaldcarr; wichita; wichitaeagle; wichitahorror; wichitamassacre
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To: Lassiter
For many black Wichitans, the display recalled a time not so long ago in this country when African-Americans were routinely intimidated, terrorized and lynched by racists.

And the Carr Brothers murders recalls a time in this country when White-Americans were routinely intimidated, terrorized and lynched by racist blacks.

And that time is NOW!

I just wish the lib that wrote this had been one of their victims instead of the decent people who were.

41 posted on 11/07/2002 2:25:22 PM PST by Libs R Evil
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To: Grut
What are you, some kind of anti-Scientology bigot? ;^)

LOL!

Clam humor, I love it! :)

42 posted on 11/07/2002 2:39:30 PM PST by Under the Radar
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To: Lassiter
My eleter to Mr. Scholfield

Dear Mr. Scholfield:

I really liked your piece today on people being offended by hanging the Carr brothers in effigy.

The logic of it all was masterful--some blacks were offended, not by the five murders, but by the hanging in effigy of two convicted mass murderers, thinking it "racially insensitive." Of course no proof was offered just their "feeling offended".

But of course anyone who thinks the Carr's viscious murders of five whites may have been motivated by racism could only be a white supremacist and should be immediately dismissed as such. And if they feel offended? Screw 'em. And write about their sentiments? Don't be ridiculous!

It was truly masterful, the way you twisted the hunting down, torturing, raping and murdering of 5 whites by 2 blacks into blacks being the victims in all this. Bravo, Joseph Goebels could not have done it better himself.

With such a deft manipulation of double standards you are truly a master propagandist.

So what's your next project? To make it look like the holocaust was really the fault of the Jews?

Sincerely _______

43 posted on 11/07/2002 2:40:58 PM PST by republicman
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To: Lassiter
--But we don't need... race-baiting comments. Let's... work toward community healing, not hate and division---

Tell it to yourself, Schoflield, you evil little bastard
44 posted on 11/07/2002 2:43:56 PM PST by republicman
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To: mywholebodyisaweapon
Imagine the outcry if an Islamic person were forced to kiss a pig before being executed.

I can certainly imagine the outcry from the pig.

-archy-/-

45 posted on 11/07/2002 2:46:47 PM PST by archy
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To: Lassiter
I wonder if this guy had been around in WWII. Would he have been offended by Jews Burning Hitler in Effigy but not by the murder of 6 million Jews.
46 posted on 11/07/2002 2:48:32 PM PST by republicman
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To: RAT Patrol
I don't deny it was hate. I just think they should get the ultimate penalty for this horrible crime regardless. Really, all murder is hate.

I agree & didn't mean to take issue with you. I meant to say that if there was such a thing as a 'hate crime' opposed to other crimes, this is it.

47 posted on 11/07/2002 2:51:47 PM PST by skeeter
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To: republicman
hehe, I like your letter. If he answers you, tell us what he says.

Yep, I guess I am nosy.
48 posted on 11/07/2002 2:53:28 PM PST by axel f
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To: xJones
"If only one of those victims had ran at the attackers,"

How bout " if one of those victims had a concealed pistol or a loaded shotgun & blasted the intruders?
49 posted on 11/07/2002 3:01:08 PM PST by wearredcaps
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To: RAT Patrol
This goon was trying to get people's eye of the ball and you fell for it.

There is no evidence that the hangings in effigy were "racially motivated" Yet this idiot says, by decree it was "racially insensitive" and says blacks were "racially offended" by it. (Funny I never heard of any blacks in the "community" saying what the Carrs did was "offensive" did they? Yet they have the nerve to poke their racist little heads out now and yell "we're the real victims here")

And did this sh*^hole journalist ever bother talking to whites who think that what the Carrs did was "racially insensitive". Hell no. once again by decree this turd said it wasn't. Did he talk to or cite whites who were "racially offended" by what the Carrs did? Hell no. They're all white supremacists, don't you know? Who cares what they think?

So here we have it the gaping double standard. Where celebrating torturing murderers being brought to justice is "racist". But blacks hunting down, murdering, and torturing whites couldn't possibly be.

As another Freeper might say-- This is yet another unpaid political commercial for liberalism where--

Everything is racism...

...Except hating whitey

And you fell for it.

50 posted on 11/07/2002 3:10:24 PM PST by republicman
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To: axel f
hehe, I like your letter. If he answers you, tell us what he says.

You bet.

51 posted on 11/07/2002 3:11:35 PM PST by republicman
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To: Lassiter
John Wayne, Chisum: "Something Henry Tunstall told me, said he once saw a man hang from the gallows, said it was ghastly, well i've seen men hang, and that's the word, ghastly, you two are gonna hang!"

Justice SHOULD be color blind.

'em

52 posted on 11/07/2002 3:23:53 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo
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To: Lassiter
"Race played no part in the Carr brothers' crimes"? Bullsh*t.

On the other hand, mock lynchings are tacky. He should have given both the hanging dummies brief cases. Made one white and one black. Labeled them "trial lawyers." Then everyone in Kansas would have agreed and applauded, and no one would have claimed "discrimination."

Glad I could be of service.

Congressman Billybob

Click for preview of "to Restore Trust in America"

53 posted on 11/07/2002 3:40:07 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: republicman
And you fell for it. Not actually seeing the effigy display myself, I can't say for sure. I'm just saying that seeing an effigy of a black man handing in someone's yard could be taken wrong. That's all. Frankly, I'd have a problem with a display like that of anyone from any race. But I can see that it could have more of a dual meaning for a black person.

In NO WAY do I think murder is worse when it is white on black versus black on white.

I had not read the Eagle yet today so I didn't realize that this is an "Our View." In other words, Randy is writing the view of the entire editorial board.

To me, the issue is, what price are these guys going to pay for there horrible crime. I am also offended that the media thinks crimes like this that are white-on-black are somehow worse just because before we were all born blacks were once slaves in this country.

It is not important to my life to have effigies of criminals--any race--hanging in my neighbor's yard.

Frankly, I was more bugged at their editorial telling Bush to "govern from the middle, not the right." Excuse me but who gets to define "middle?" He should govern justly and honestly. He should keep the commitments he campaigned on because that represents the people's choice. The "middle" is found through the votes of the people's representatives, not through the intimidation of a few in positions of power intent on obstruction (read: Daschle and Leahy) or disinformation (read: most of the media). Bush has done exactly that, respecting the wishes of the people's representatives, even when it cost conservatives, when it was clearly unconstitutional (CFR), and when he really should have used his constitutional right to veto legislation.

The Eagle is preaching to the wrong team.

The media defines "middle" as "abortion until birth." That's never has been the middle, guys. If you want the middle, let's make it abortion until 20 weeks. The media would call that "far right." They clearly failed at math. The lefties are shaking in their lesbian boots, fearing Congress will pass a partial birth abortion ban again, and this time we have a Prez. who will sign it. Give me a break.

54 posted on 11/07/2002 3:51:50 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: republicman
handing = hanging. (grr)

Furthermore, when Clinton received only 49% of the vote, I don't remember everyone calling on him to govern from the middle. Why? They saw him as middle. Back then 49% equaled a mandate.

Besides abortion, it's the left trying to make sweeping "progressive" changes. The right has been fighting for status quo - just don't make things worse, and fix what the left messed up - for a long time. So it's the left we should be scared of.

55 posted on 11/07/2002 4:09:06 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: Lassiter
I can't even read about this damned trial because it makes me so furious.

I'd like to take the two negroes who dared to do this and spend about six months killing them in the most awful way I can think of, then send their miserable asses to the hospital to get fixed right up so I can do it again. And again. And again.

>growling<

56 posted on 11/07/2002 4:21:08 PM PST by Jonathon Spectre
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To: Lassiter
More offensive by far is how this stunt injected inflammatory racial overtones into a case in which race played no role...how stupid are they in Kansas?
58 posted on 11/07/2002 5:25:58 PM PST by RWG
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To: Congressman Billybob
Who really cares if it was due to race or not, it still isn't justified. Just as long as they get a fair trail, then the proper punishment. (BTW, Hang 'em if found guilty.)
59 posted on 11/07/2002 5:26:32 PM PST by In veno, veritas
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To: RWG
... how stupid are they in Kansas?

Must of been one of those Boeing transplants from Washington State. :`)

60 posted on 11/07/2002 5:50:58 PM PST by KS Flyover
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