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Ugly [Wichita Massacre][BARF ALERT!]
The Wichita Eagle ^ | Thu, Nov. 07, 2002 | Randy Scholfield

Posted on 11/07/2002 11:47:11 AM PST by Lassiter

Let's avoid offensive racial overtones in Carr trial

Add us to the list of people offended by a report of the Carr brothers being hanged in effigy -- not just because it's a tasteless prank that trivializes the death penalty and the tragedy of this case for all involved.

More offensive by far is how this stunt injected inflammatory racial overtones into a case in which race played no role.

A homeowner in west Wichita recently erected a display on his front yard showing two dummies -- in black face -- hanging by nooses from trees. A sign below the dangling bodies read "Carr Bros," referring to the two brothers found guilty Monday of the December 2000 killing spree that shocked this community.

We'll take the man at his word that his display was not racially motivated; he took it down after receiving complaints that it was offensive.

But how someone in this day and age could not understand that such a mock-lynching would be racially offensive is hard to understand.

For many black Wichitans, the display recalled a time not so long ago in this country when African-Americans were routinely intimidated, terrorized and lynched by racists.

We further deplore this stunt because it encourages the misguided notion (forwarded in many letters we've received) that this was a racially motivated hate crime. Prosecutors have clearly established that greed and lust -- not racial prejudice -- motivated Reginald and Jonathan Carr to choose their victims and commit these brutal crimes.

Wichitans are understandably emotional and angry about what the Carrs did to our community. They are understandably eager for justice.

Justice will be done.

But we don't need vigilante sentiments, race-baiting comments or ugly, vengeful glee. As this emotional trial reaches its conclusion, let's keep our emotions in check and work toward community healing, not hate and division.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: blackracism; carr; hatecrime; jonathancarr; kansas; reginaldcarr; wichita; wichitaeagle; wichitahorror; wichitamassacre
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To: Lassiter
Dear offended Wichitans,

Bite Me!
21 posted on 11/07/2002 12:44:07 PM PST by Yankee
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To: RAT Patrol
I would love to hear responses from people who email him. I don't even bother anymore. I've emailed Steve Rose at the Johnson County Sun, and I never heard back. But I wasn't pleasant, so maybe that had something to do with it.

Is Scholfield polite in his responses?
22 posted on 11/07/2002 12:45:47 PM PST by axel f
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To: RAT Patrol
Were the Carr's brothers victims shot execution style?
23 posted on 11/07/2002 12:46:27 PM PST by elephant
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To: xJones
Sorry, Jones, but your comment is out of line -- easy to say this when the gun is not pointed at you.

All of our civilized human nature tells us that where there is life there is hope. The survivor testified that the five were frequently separated. Any would-be hero therefore would have had to overcome not only fear of consequences to himself or herself, but a substantial lielihood that one or more friends might be hurt or killed in retaliation. That is asking an awful lot, particularly of people who had been brutalized and were undoubtedly in shock.

Let's remember that the heroes on 9/11 who fought back were the ones who had the advantage of knowing what happened to the other three planes. They knew what they faced and knew they had nothing to lose.

Don't judge these young people harshly. I don't think there are many among us who could have done what you suggest in the circumstances they faced.

24 posted on 11/07/2002 12:48:02 PM PST by blau993
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To: Lassiter
Why do they assume race played no role in the killings? Have there been similar mass executions of blacks? If white criminals had done this, the assumption would be that race was the dominant factor.
25 posted on 11/07/2002 12:48:25 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Lassiter
I guess they should have hung a couple of clear dummies in effigy. What are you, some kind of anti-Scientology bigot? ;^) Huh?

It was sarcasm. A "clear" is some type of high-level $cientologist. So, even a clear dummy would offend someone.

Clearly. :-)

26 posted on 11/07/2002 12:51:15 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: axel f
Scholfield has always been nice to me. I can't say I've always been 100% nice to him either. He's solidly far left but feedback is good for him. His passion is the environment. I try to steer clear of that subject. (Well, I forwarded a Mark Steyn column on the environment and you know Steyn, lol. I told him he would hate it but it would be good for him. lol)

Apparently, Steve Rose rarely replies because I've heard that before. Don't give up on writing the media, though. They do read it.

27 posted on 11/07/2002 12:52:14 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Whites are routinely and disproportionately mugged, raped, and murdered by black thugs.

Are we?

Compared to the proportion of black victims of white criminals, yes. But compared to the proportion of black victims of black criminals, I'm not so sure.

28 posted on 11/07/2002 12:52:40 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: elephant
How is the death penalty carried out in Kansas? Just curious how much these to animals are going to suffer.
God bless the sole surviver.
29 posted on 11/07/2002 12:54:15 PM PST by oceanperch
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To: mywholebodyisaweapon
This is not meant to impugn any of the victims, but I wonder how many "red-blooded American males" would rush to overpower their attackers when they are being "forced" to have sex? I know I'd have to muster a mighty effort to resist, simply because of the old sin nature.

I must not be much of an "American male", then, because I would find it beyond repulsive.

30 posted on 11/07/2002 1:07:29 PM PST by The Duke
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To: xm177e2
Whites are routinely and disproportionately mugged, raped, and murdered by black thugs.

Are we?

Compared to the proportion of black victims of white criminals, yes. But compared to the proportion of black victims of black criminals, I'm not so sure.

About as many whites are murdered by blacks each year as blacks are by whites. As whites make up 75% of the population and blacks, 12%; it stands that blacks are killing whites disproportionately, about 6 to 1. Where is the screaming from the left wing (main steam) press? The truth dies a quick, silent death when the underclass is demonstrably without moral value. I'll bet the disproportionate murder began with the great society, the point where the left began to undermine the black family structure with a huge, seductive welfare program.

31 posted on 11/07/2002 1:17:35 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
But my point was to compare the rate of black-on-white crime to the rate of black-on-black crime.
32 posted on 11/07/2002 1:21:17 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
You're right. If the races were reversed it would automatically be assumed that it was a "hate crime".
Are we to assume that blacks killing whites is the "natural" order of things, and therefor is not racially motivated?
Good question for anyone denying that this was a race hate crime.
Another thing, if a non-minority harms a minority, the determining factor of "hate crime" is if the perp utters any racial epithets. Was there any testimony in the Carr case that the perps mentioned the victims race?
If so, it's racially motivated. Period.

I think I'll send these thoughts off to the author of this piece.

33 posted on 11/07/2002 1:36:00 PM PST by MrB
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To: elephant
I went through the gory details to find you this:

After a short drive, both vehicles stopped in an empty field. Reginald Carr ordered H.G. to go sit with Miss Muller in Mr. Sander's car. A moment later, she saw the men line up in front of the Honda. In her testimony H.G. said, "I turned to Heather and said, 'They're going to shoot us.' "

The Carr brothers ordered H.G. and Miss Muller out of the car. Miss Muller stood next to Mr. Sander, her former boyfriend, while H.G. stood beside her boyfriend, Mr. Befort. The Carrs ordered them to turn away and kneel in the snow. "As I was kneeling, a gun shot went off," says H.G. "[Then] I heard Aaron [Sander]. . . . I could distinguish Aaron's voice. He said, 'Please, no sir, please.' The gun went off."

H.G. heard three shots before she was hit: "I felt the bullet hit the back of my head. It went kind of gray with white like stars. I wasn't knocked unconscious. I didn't fall forward. Then someone kicked me, and I had fallen forward. I was playing dead. I didn't move. I didn't want them to shoot me again."

As H.G. lay in the snow, the Carrs drove off in Jason Befort's pickup, running over the victims as they left. H.G. says she felt the truck hit her body, too.

Let me add that I don't think the effegy hangings was a good idea either. These guys deserve to hang; I think it was racially motivated though I don't believe in hate crime legislation; I think the media is generally completely one-sided on the hate crimes issue; and I can see why an effegy of a black guy hanging in someone's yard is offensive and could be taken to mean something other than it likely meant, more than if it were a white guy; also, I think Randy is a big time liberal who is wrong most of the time but he has a point in this column, but those who disagree have a point too and should write him.

34 posted on 11/07/2002 1:39:54 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: oceanperch
How is the death penalty carried out in Kansas?

Lethal injection.

But the death penalty was reinstated just a few years ago, so we have yet to actually execute anyone that way. Long ago, it was done by hanging.
35 posted on 11/07/2002 1:44:29 PM PST by CodeWeasel
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To: RAT Patrol
As H.G. lay in the snow, the Carrs drove off in Jason Befort's pickup, running over the victims as they left. H.G. says she felt the truck hit her body, too.

No hate there. Nah.

36 posted on 11/07/2002 1:53:37 PM PST by skeeter
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To: elephant
Excuse the butt-kickin' run-on sentence. LOL! Um, I get into trouble when I try to do two or three things at once.
37 posted on 11/07/2002 1:56:12 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: skeeter
I don't deny it was hate. I just think they should get the ultimate penalty for this horrible crime regardless. Really, all murder is hate.
38 posted on 11/07/2002 1:59:07 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: AnnaZ
I call it Suckertology, myself.
39 posted on 11/07/2002 2:02:21 PM PST by Bob Quixote
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To: Lassiter; TroutStalker; alfa6; mjaneangels@aolcom; carlo3b; dennisw; Judith Anne; AK2KX; ...
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Please let me know if you want on (or off) this list.


40 posted on 11/07/2002 2:04:07 PM PST by KS Flyover
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