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South Dakota Suspicions
The National Review ^ | 11-07-02 | Byron York

Posted on 11/07/2002 8:23:41 AM PST by jwalburg

The very last precincts to be counted killed the hopes of GOP Senate candidate John Thune. Was something funny going on?

oday a team of Republican election experts is in South Dakota, looking into the circumstances of Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson's extraordinarily narrow, last-minute victory over Republican candidate John Thune.

While it is certainly possible that there were no significant irregularities involved in the voting, some Republicans are puzzled by the way the vote-counting unfolded. Early Wednesday morning, with 99.65 percent of South Dakota's precincts reporting, Thune held a narrow lead over Johnson. It was only when the last three precincts (out of a total of 844) were counted that Johnson finally edged ahead. What has made some Republicans suspicious is that those final precincts were located in a southwestern county that was in the news for allegations of voting fraud in the weeks leading up to the election.

MINUTE BY MINUTE For most of Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, the election returns looked promising for Thune. At 1:32 A.M. EST on Wednesday, an Associated Press report showed Thune had 134,904 votes to Johnson's 132,648 with 648, or 77 percent, of the state's precincts reporting. At 2.47 A.M., the AP issued another report, this one showing Thune with 153,952 votes to Johnson's 149,789, with 736, or 87 percent, of precincts reporting — a lead of more than 4,000 votes.

At 3:41 A.M., Thune was up 158,331 to 154,602, with 776, or 92 percent, of precincts reporting.

At some point after that, Thune's lead began to shrink. By 6:38 A.M., with 838, or 99.3 percent, of the state's 844 precincts reporting, Thune led Johnson by 166,588 to 165,639 votes. It was close, but Thune was still in the lead by nearly 1,000 votes with just six precincts left to count.

Then the lead narrowed dramatically. By 8:28 A.M., Thune had 166,747 votes to Johnson's 166,559, with 841, or 99.65 percent, of the 844 precincts reporting. Thune was up by just 188 votes with three precincts left to count.

Those last precincts killed Thune's chances to win. At 9:21 A.M., with 843 of 844 precincts reporting, Thune trailed Johnson, 166,707 to 167,252.

Finally, at 10:22 A.M., the last precinct was counted and reported. Thune trailed Johnson 166,954 to 167,481 — a margin of 527 votes. Johnson claimed victory.

It was a stunning finish to a race that was clearly tight but appeared for much of the night to be in Thune's hands. Somewhere in the last five precincts, Thune's Senate hopes disappeared.

QUESTIONABLE PRACTICES The vote counting has attracted the attention of Republicans because the precincts that defeated Thune — the ones that were counted last — were in Shannon County, on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. The county has been the target of intensive get-out-the-vote efforts by Democrats and has reported the largest gain in registrations, 17 percent, of any county in the state. In recent weeks, federal and local authorities have been investigating allegations of fraudulent voting practices related to some of those new voters (along with some in other counties around the state).

In mid-October, the Shannon County auditor said one in ten of the county's new registrations was under investigation for possible irregularities. On October 20, the Sioux Falls Argus Leader reported that, "Auditors in 10 counties, all but one adjoining a reservation, have forwarded questionable registration forms or absentee ballot requests to the sheriff or state's attorney for investigation. Of the nearly 400 questionable documents discovered by the auditors, 338 came from Shannon and Pennington counties, where the two investigations into possible voter fraud are under way."

Shannon County went heavily for Johnson — out of 3,118 votes cast, 2,856, or about 92 percent, went to Johnson, while 248 went to Thune (a third-party candidate received 14 votes). That percentage, in itself, might not be particularly unusual; Native Americans in South Dakota vote heavily Democratic, and Johnson is popular with Native Americans. But one thing that has aroused Republican curiosity is the significant increase in the number of votes cast in Shannon County since the last mid-term election, in 1998, in which Sen. Tom Daschle won reelection.

In 1998, there were just 1,559 votes cast in Shannon (that is precisely half the votes cast this year — a statistical nicety that might signify nothing, but might still catch Republican eyes). Of the 1998 total, 1,228 went to Daschle and 239 went to Republican Ron Schmidt (a third-party candidate won 92 votes).

What some Republicans find interesting about the numbers is that the popular Daschle, who won in a landslide statewide, won just 79 percent of the votes in Shannon County — significantly less than Johnson won this year — while Schmidt, who lost by a huge margin in 1998, received about the same number of votes that the well-known Thune received this year. Even though the total number of voters in Shannon County has gone up dramatically, it appears that virtually none of them chose Thune.

The situation might be completely attributable to get-out-the-vote efforts; 17,000 new voters were signed up statewide in recent months, and Democrats were particularly aggressive in Shannon County and on the state's other Indian reservations. But Republicans signed up new voters, too, and now they want to have a look at the county's voting patterns.

Finally, the GOP wants to know more about the timing of the Shannon County returns. Although nothing is set in stone, some observers say it is not usually the pattern in statewide elections for Shannon County returns to be the last counted. Given the fact that the county provided Johnson's winning margin, and given the earlier allegations of corruption, Republicans want to know why Shannon was so late this time.

WHAT TO DO? At this moment, the South Dakota secretary of state's office is finishing its official canvass of the election. That process in effect rechecks everyone's math and comes up with a final vote total for all the races. It is not designed to uncover voter irregularities.

According to state law, Thune is entitled to ask for a recount. On Wednesday, he released a carefully worded statement that suggested he might choose to do so. "If there is a change in the numbers or evidence of irregularities after the official election canvass, I will look at pursuing the next step in the process, which is a formal recount," Thune said:

However, I do not wish to put the people of South Dakota through this process unless it is absolutely necessary. Therefore, if there is no change in the vote totals or any irregularities after the official canvass, we will pursue no further action and the results will stand...No one would be happier than I to see those numbers change as the process continues. However, if the numbers stand, I am prepared to accept the outcome and know that my supporters and all those who have stood with me during this process will accept the outcome as well.

Speaking publicly later on Wednesday, Thune seemed inclined to let the matter drop after the canvass. At this point, it is simply not clear whether he will ask for a recount or take any other action.

Republicans want to be careful in the course they choose. They have already won the Senate, and they do not want to embroil the party in a long, acrimonious fight over a contest that will not affect the balance of power in Washington. In addition, they do not want to embark on a Democratic-style legal battle if there is no solid evidence of fraud. But at this point, they want to know what happened. The circumstances of Johnson's last-minute comeback look a little odd, and Republicans want to learn the story behind the numbers.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: election; johnson; senate; southdakota; thune; voterfraud
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To: ImpBill
ImpBill,
Would you please post the statute above at post #98 to the SD page?
101 posted on 11/08/2002 10:01:34 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: hchutch
From the rules of the Senate:
Credentials Dealt With by the Congress to Which Elected:

It is not the practice of the Senate to consider questions arising upon the credentials of a Senator-elect for a term commencing in a succeeding Congress; likewise, it is not the policy of the Senate in the closing session of one Congress, to consider in advance the right or claim of a person to a seat in the Senate for a term commencing in the succeding Congress.

This issue was settled in 1927 by the 69th Congress.

Now, the way I see it is that Thune, in his three day period, or three citizens from each of the precincts involved, in their respective ten day period, can bring action in SD to prevent this travesty.

Your reliance on the Senate, or a claim by an SD citizen (what's he going to do (?) sue the next Congress not yet seated?) is a waste of brain power.

The battle ground is laid in the law and rules, if we but follow them. Casting all the law, rules and history aside and laying claim to some metaphysical one line reading of the Constitution is futile.

102 posted on 11/08/2002 11:44:38 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: KC Burke; Congressman Billybob
Again, you are mistaking what I have said. I never said that this should be dealt with in the lame-duck session. I said that the new Senate should conditionally seat Johnson pending the results of the FBI investigation.

The race for the seat that will be filled in the 108th Congress is at issue. According to Article I, Sectiuon 5, the Senate is the final arbiter of whether it is okay or not. Congressman Billybob once mentioned that the House seated a Democrat in 1985 over a disputed election where Indiana said the Republican had won (Panetta was involved, I think).

All that has to happen on day one of the first session of the new Congress is for the Senate to seat Johnson conditionally pending the results of the vote fraud investigation being conducted by DOJ and the FBI.

Why do I favor this approach?

1. I believe fraud DID affect this election.

2. I believe the Dems set it up so that any investigation of vote fraud would allow them to engage in serious race-baiting in South Dakota, Louisiana (got that runoff, and there is concern abotu the black turnout), and across the country.

3. The FBI has been investigating since October - BEFORE the election occured. It's going tobe VERY hard to accuse them of bias one way or the other.

4. If it come to the RNC, DNC, or FBI, the average person is going to most likely believe the FBI. I do not want this to be an RNC vs. DNC thing. I want this to be FBI vs. DNC.

The Dems in South Dakota are, IMHO, clearly hiding something. Apparently a vote-fraud scheme. But we need to prove it. Unfortunately, Thune and his campaign won't be as believeable as an "unbiased" source. We've got the FBI already looking into it. Handle this smart, and right, not quick and aggressive, and we take down the fraud, get the seat, AND preserve our electoral viability by NOT looking like sore losers.
103 posted on 11/08/2002 12:10:58 PM PST by hchutch
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To: hchutch
It would be interesting to see a poll taken to see who the state supports now, knowing that the Senate is now in (R) hands. You have to think that SD voters would feel different now that they would have two Sens in the minority, and probably not get preferential treatment when it comes to pork.
104 posted on 11/08/2002 12:22:20 PM PST by Tuxedo
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To: Tuxedo
It might, but the fact remains that Johnson is the preceived winner. We need to get the proof of fraud if we are to reverse this.

And the average person is going to believe the FBI over the RNC or DNC. We need to use that to our advanatge. Have TEM release the info, and when they are swearing in thye Senators for the 108th Congress, Johnson gets seated pending the results of the FBI investigation.

The Dems want to play the race card. Why walk into the ambush that we know they are setting up?
105 posted on 11/08/2002 12:48:15 PM PST by hchutch
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To: hchutch
I certainly don't question your earnestness.

...on day one of the first session of the new Congress is for the Senate to seat Johnson conditionally...

but my point is that there is no proceedure for that to occur if SD certifies Johnson. The FBI, the AG, a citizen petitioning the Senate, none of those will have standing to bring the issue up. A Senator raising the issue will be told that here are his credential from the State of SD. End of story.

Now, by saying this, I'm not saying that a battle can't be waged at the start of the next session, but the Wedge has to be driven now, the case has to be made now, otherwise the credentials go forward and no handle is available for any later battle. The candidate and citizens are afforded redress, but only as prescribed. Therefore they must make the claims within the proceedures.

106 posted on 11/08/2002 12:52:48 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: hchutch
According to the State of South Dakota web site:

Shannon County votes in statewide races: (% refers to the percent of total votes for all candidates for that race in county)

US Senate - Johnson (D) 2856 92%
US House – Herseth (D) 2857 92%
Governor – Abbott (D) 2535 86%
Sec. Of State – Looby (D) 2777 90%
Atty. General – Volesky (D) 2653 86%
State Auditor – Butler (D) 2762 92%
Treasurer – McGregor (D) 2799 92%
Comm. Schl. – Healy (D) 2679 89%
Pub Utilities – Nelson (D) 2773 92%
Pub Utilities2 – Johnson (D) 2759 92%

State Legislature:
Dist 27 State Senate – Hagen (D) 2505 89%
Dist 27 State House – Bradford (D) 2136 46%
Dist 27 State House – Valandra (D) 2135 46%
(Apparently they can vote for two candidates here but vote split identical?)

Ballot Questions:
Constitutional Amendment A – (No) 1245 43%
Constitutional Amendment A – (Yes) 1664 57%
Constitutional Amendment B – (No) 1411 49%
Constitutional Amendment B – (Yes) 1464 51%
Constitutional Amendment C – (No) 1315 46%
Constitutional Amendment C – (Yes) 1563 54%
Initiated Measure 1 – (No) 880 30%
Initiated Measure 1 – (Yes) 2037 70%

Although this looks very suspicious – especially 43% voting no on amendment A, unless concrete evidence of voter fraud is found, this is just another heavily democratic county.
107 posted on 11/08/2002 12:56:58 PM PST by thtr
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Comment #108 Removed by Moderator

To: KC Burke; Congressman Billybob
Congressman Billybob posted a little about this a couple days ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/783601/posts?page=29#29

"Last stop is the Senate itself. It is the "sole judge of the ... election of its Members." It can do its own count, and can even reverse the "official" count that comes from S.D. (The House did that in 1984 (?), seating a Democrat when Indiana reported that the Republican had won.)"

Article I, Section 5 is the big trump card/ace in the hole. Thune does not have to do a thing - the Senate can decide to look into this on day one of that session. They can seat Johnson pending the results of the investigation. Or if the info comes out about the margins between now and the start of the next Congress (I believe it will be in the first week of January), they could seat Thune as opposed to Johnson, and no lawsuit can change it.
109 posted on 11/08/2002 1:17:48 PM PST by hchutch
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To: thtr
The FBI has been investigating since October. Thune doesn't have to do a thing. All the Senate has to do is to seat Johnson "pending the results of the FBI's vote fraud investigation in South Dakota".

If the FBI proves vote fraud swung the election to Johnson(and National Review's reporting indicates there are as many as 1,750 questionable voter registrations attributed to one activist), then the Senate has no choice in the matter. Lott can look apologetic as he calls for the vote that seats Thune in place of Johnson.

And the thing is, they are acting on information from the FBI. And despite all the missteps, the average person on the street thinks very highly of the integrity and honor of the FBI. If the Dems race-bait the FBI, they will lose. If they go along with seating Thune, then they will have to explain to their base why they allowed Johnson to be unseated.

If we play this right, THEY will be divided and in a circular firing squad.
110 posted on 11/08/2002 1:25:42 PM PST by hchutch
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To: KC Burke
Done.
111 posted on 11/09/2002 5:37:25 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: sauropod
Can you say Glendening vs Sauerbrey? I knew you could

Can you say Sanchez vs Dornan? I knew you could. And there are many more examples.

5.56mm

112 posted on 11/09/2002 5:43:28 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
Bump.
113 posted on 11/09/2002 5:35:28 PM PST by Ben Hecks
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