Posted on 11/04/2002 11:33:39 AM PST by BurbankKarl
KFI640 reports he slit his wrists, then jumped off some balcony....in critical condition
Jewish Defense League leader Irv Rubin, jailed on charges of plotting to bomb a mosque and an Arab-American congressman's office, was hospitalized Monday after some type of accident while in federal custody, authorities said.
"There was some sort of accident and he fell and he's currently in the hospital," said Bill Woolsey, spokesman for the U.S. marshal's office.
Rubin's condition was not known, Woolsey said.
Rubin was to appear in court Monday for a hearing in his case.
Rubin and associate Earl Krugel were arrested Dec. 11 on charges of plotting to bomb the King Fahd mosque in suburban Culver City and an office of Rep. Darrell E. Issa, R-Calif.
Rubin and Krugel were arrested after an FBI informant delivered an explosive powder that authorities believed was the last component in making pipe bombs. The charges carry up to 40 years in prison upon conviction.
Rubin, who by his own account has been arrested more than 40 times, joined the JDL early in the 1970s and quickly moved up, becoming chairman in 1985.
In 1989, the leader of the rival Jewish Defense Organization was charged with firing shots at Rubin and wounding three others in New York. Mordechai Levy was convicted of assault.
According to his biography, Rubin learned to fight anti-Semitism while growing up in Montreal, "where some hotel owners and other business people hung signs reading 'No Dogs or Jews Allowed' on their doors and where French Canadian schoolchildren taunted him because he was Jewish."
His family emigrated in 1961 and he became a U.S. citizen and joined the Air Force in 1966, serving four years.
In 1973 he served in Israel's civil defense corps during the Yom Kippur War.
The JDL, whose symbol is a raised fist inside a Star of David, has the motto "Never Again," referring to the World War II murder of 6 million Jews. It was founded in 1968 by Meir Kahane to mount armed response to anti-Semitic acts in New York City.
The group was suspected in a 1985 bombing in Santa Ana that killed Southern California Arab anti-discrimination leader Alex Odeh, but no arrests were ever made.
You mean, how can he be something else than you thought? Very easily.
So does every tinfoil-chapeau-wearing fruitcake out there, no matter what theory they're pushing. I'm asking if you've got some serious evidence.
And: no orthodox Jew, like Rubin was known to be, would ever commit suicide.
Assuming he was sane and in full control of his faculties. Given his demeanor and rhetoric (I live out here in California, I've heard him on the radio a few times), that is not axiomatic.
Gun downed in the U.S. in 1990 by an Islamofascist Egyptian, who was acquitted of the crime on a technicality, but later convicted in relation to the World Trade Center bombing! Kahane's son and his wife also murdered by Arab Islamic terrorists in Israel. The Islamic enemy showed its face in 1990 with Kahane as the Jihad can't tolerate outspoken Jews and Christians (witness the Iranian mullah's Fatwa recently against three prominent evangelical ministers).
Yes, I was. Anyone who could spell "Robert J. Mathews" correctly got the "diesel treatment."
This is from another news-story. Does it look like a suicide to you?
Rubin used a razor to slash his neck and throat and then fell or jumped from a prison balcony as he and other inmates lined up for breakfast before 5:30 a.m., Woolsey said.
I know someone who blew his brains out in the mess hall at Cherry Point, right at the entrance to the lunch line.
Either one is a possibility. Rubin actually committing suicide is a possibility, too.
Certainly is. However, speculation about a homocide here is not the stuff of tin-foiled hats.
Blowing your brains out is "normal", garden variety suicide. Cutting your own throat is not. Particularly for an obsrevant Jew, with strong rules about suicide.
This was a hit.
Like I said, you are presuming that Rubin was in full control of his faculties. Suicidal individuals usually are NOT. It's all about THEM, and they don't give a damn about God, God's laws regarding suicide, or anything else.
This was a hit.
Hmm. And, of course, the inmate who bagged Rubin was allowed to immediately wash the blood off of his hands--or did he use telekinesis to move the razor?
Like I said, I've heard Rubin over the years. He was, to put it mildly, an excitable boy.
It is without a LOT more evidence than Cachelot was spouting.
Does the concept of "known associates" mean anything to you? Just for one thing..
LOL - you sound like those anti-American crackpots who say "those who flew the planes on 9/11 were not real Muslims - no real Muslim would commit suicide!"
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