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To: FormerLurker
Your "explanations" get wilder every time.

First it was "user error" (always a developer favorite) and I wasn't using it right.
Confronted with the fact that a blind one armed monkey could use that form you dropped back to "I'll look at it later".
So I looked at it for you and you focused on one company with the explanation "they're invading".
After it's shown that DCM clearly wasn't invading you settled into "it's fraud".
After finally being reminded it's a multicompany issue enough times you couldn't ignore it you went to "it's massive fraud".
Finally forced to come up with a reason for the fraud you punt with "it's terrorism".
Having been laughed at you've now gone to "it's sex slave trade".

And yet you insist that my explanation that "it's a crappy government database run by a crappy government agency well documented to be run by morons" is "stretching". Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhht. You're the one now insisting that technology companies are importing hundreds of thousands of sex slaves under the cover of H1B programmer/ analysts and I'M stretching for an explanation. So have you had your shame gland surgically removed or did it just atrophe and fall out naturally?
246 posted on 11/05/2002 7:00:33 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
Your "explanations" get wilder every time

Only in your mind, as you have to counter with REALLY wild excuses as to why the data doesn't look the way you want it to..

First it was "user error" (always a developer favorite) and I wasn't using it right.

You should go back and read what you wrote. You said that there's a problem because the database contains companies that no longer exist. Well gee, what are they supposed to do, erase DOL historical data simply because it's old? That data is valid, and you need to be intelligent enough to know what to do with it. If you want to see how many visa applications were filed in 2001, that's what you look for. If you want to see ALL of the applications ever filed, you leave the date field blank. And of course you'll see some companies that no longer exist for that type of search.

So I looked at it for you and you focused on one company with the explanation "they're invading".

Excuse me? Where have I ever said that? Don't put words in my mouth discostu. It's sort of dishonest actually.

After it's shown that DCM clearly wasn't invading you settled into "it's fraud".

Again, I've never said anywhere that DCM was "invading". You don't present your case too well here, and are reaching for straws. I DID say that there's a possibility that the DOL data might be flawed, but I ALSO said that the data might be valid. And I DID say that the GAO had uncovered massive fraud in relation to immigration issues, so FRAUD is a VERY real possibility.

After finally being reminded it's a multicompany issue enough times you couldn't ignore it you went to "it's massive fraud".

I believe the word in the GAO report was rampant. In case you need to be reminded of the content of that report, I'll post a bit of it here...

From Immigration fraud 'out of control'

The General Accounting Office has concluded that immigration fraud is rampant, even helping to open the door for terrorism, and that the Immigration and Naturalization Service has no idea how to get it under control.

In a report released Feb. 15, GAO concluded that immigration benefit fraud is "pervasive and significant and will increase as smugglers and other criminal enterprises use fraud as another means of bringing illegal aliens, including criminal aliens, into the country."

So there we have it. It happens, and Occam's Razor SHARPLY points to that being the case.

Finally forced to come up with a reason for the fraud you punt with "it's terrorism".

Did you forget already that you asked why they might possibly want more visas then they have jobs? I stated that these extra visas could be utilized to allow illegal immigratnts into this country. Those visas can be bought and sold, and thus anyone who wants one and has the money can get one, including terrorists.

Additionally, if you had bothered yourself with reading the GAO report, it is THEY who mention that troubling fact.

Having been laughed at you've now gone to "it's sex slave trade".

Oh, so I suppose those young girls applied for visas as sex slaves? Boy you are dense.

And yet you insist that my explanation that "it's a crappy government database run by a crappy government agency well documented to be run by morons" is "stretching".

Have you found ANY of your now infamous "duplicate" records in relation to ANY NON-FOREIGN company? Not even one? Gee, I wonder why that is.

You aren't only stretching, your dancing, skipping on one foot, and juggling eggs.

Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhht. You're the one now insisting that technology companies are importing hundreds of thousands of sex slaves under the cover of H1B programmer/ analysts and I'M stretching for an explanation.

I'm saying that unscrupulous foreign companies have been set up here not SOLELY to provide "consulting" services, but to obtain work visas that can later be sold for profit. Those visas can then be utilized for all sorts of nefarious activities including prostitution. Of course, "extra" visa could easily be used for ANY type of illegal immigrant. And of course terrorists would love to have a visa as a "programmer analyst" in order to appear legit. It's definitely not a stretch, in fact, it is a VERY real possibility.

So have you had your shame gland surgically removed or did it just atrophe and fall out naturally?

Are you always so blind, or is it that you see and just can't understand what you saw? Is it that you have a stake in this? Or is it that you simply can't admit to yourself that denial isn't just a river in Egypt?

248 posted on 11/05/2002 7:56:09 PM PST by FormerLurker
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