[FormerLurker]

Your "explanations" get wilder every time

Only in your mind, as you have to counter with REALLY wild excuses as to why the data doesn't look the way you want it to..

First it was "user error" (always a developer favorite) and I wasn't using it right.

You should go back and read what you wrote. You said that there's a problem because the database contains companies that no longer exist. Well gee, what are they supposed to do, erase DOL historical data simply because it's old? That data is valid, and you need to be intelligent enough to know what to do with it. If you want to see how many visa applications were filed in 2001, that's what you look for. If you want to see ALL of the applications ever filed, you leave the date field blank. And of course you'll see some companies that no longer exist for that type of search.

So I looked at it for you and you focused on one company with the explanation "they're invading".

Excuse me? Where have I ever said that? Don't put words in my mouth discostu. It's sort of dishonest actually.

After it's shown that DCM clearly wasn't invading you settled into "it's fraud".

Again, I've never said anywhere that DCM was "invading". You don't present your case too well here, and are reaching for straws. I DID say that there's a possibility that the DOL data might be flawed, but I ALSO said that the data might be valid. And I DID say that the GAO had uncovered massive fraud in relation to immigration issues, so FRAUD is a VERY real possibility.

After finally being reminded it's a multicompany issue enough times you couldn't ignore it you went to "it's massive fraud".

I believe the word in the GAO report was rampant. In case you need to be reminded of the content of that report, I'll post a bit of it here...

From Immigration fraud 'out of control'

The General Accounting Office has concluded that immigration fraud is rampant, even helping to open the door for terrorism, and that the Immigration and Naturalization Service has no idea how to get it under control.

In a report released Feb. 15, GAO concluded that immigration benefit fraud is "pervasive and significant and will increase as smugglers and other criminal enterprises use fraud as another means of bringing illegal aliens, including criminal aliens, into the country."

So there we have it. It happens, and Occam's Razor SHARPLY points to that being the case.

Finally forced to come up with a reason for the fraud you punt with "it's terrorism".

Did you forget already that you asked why they might possibly want more visas then they have jobs? I stated that these extra visas could be utilized to allow illegal immigratnts into this country. Those visas can be bought and sold, and thus anyone who wants one and has the money can get one, including terrorists.

Additionally, if you had bothered yourself with reading the GAO report, it is THEY who mention that troubling fact.

Having been laughed at you've now gone to "it's sex slave trade".

Oh, so I suppose those young girls applied for visas as sex slaves? Boy you are dense.

And yet you insist that my explanation that "it's a crappy government database run by a crappy government agency well documented to be run by morons" is "stretching".

Have you found ANY of your now infamous "duplicate" records in relation to ANY NON-FOREIGN company? Not even one? Gee, I wonder why that is.

You aren't only stretching, your dancing, skipping on one foot, and juggling eggs.

Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhht. You're the one now insisting that technology companies are importing hundreds of thousands of sex slaves under the cover of H1B programmer/ analysts and I'M stretching for an explanation.

I'm saying that unscrupulous foreign companies have been set up here not SOLELY to provide "consulting" services, but to obtain work visas that can later be sold for profit. Those visas can then be utilized for all sorts of nefarious activities including prostitution. Of course, "extra" visa could easily be used for ANY type of illegal immigrant. And of course terrorists would love to have a visa as a "programmer analyst" in order to appear legit. It's definitely not a stretch, in fact, it is a VERY real possibility.

So have you had your shame gland surgically removed or did it just atrophe and fall out naturally?

Are you always so blind, or is it that you see and just can't understand what you saw? Is it that you have a stake in this? Or is it that you simply can't admit to yourself that denial isn't just a river in Egypt?

[discostu]

HAHAHAHA talk about denial, talk about lack of reading comprehension, talk about being unable to remember what you wrote, talk about maybe you should go back and reread. Well here we go:
Me 174 - Seems odd to me that companies would have multiple identical H1B applications filed on the same day. See I go there and I see 4 listings for DCM ASIC TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED, all for programmer analysts all making $60,000/yr all starting on 2/15/01 all set to expire 2/14/04, all for 30 H1Bs;
FL 178 (response to 174) - I doubt you were setting the search criteria properly though, as NONE of the searches that I've performed had any of the characteristics you describe.

Clearly RIGHT THERE in 178 you're saying that the duplicates I found, which included the first mentioning of DCM were the result of user error. We'd moved well past the dead company discussion, 174 is solely about duplicate entires.

As for the invasion well:
FL 183 - My God. For that company alone, there's 104 applications with 30 workers each,
OK maybe you didn't say invasion, but "My God" isn't a phrase most people around here use lightly, then you point out the shear number of their applicants. Sounds like invasion talk to me.

See FL you've got nothing, you're scrambling for a purchase trying to defend the integrity of the data on one hand yet attacking the ineptness of the agency that produced the data on the other. You can't have it both ways. If the DOL is so incompitent that there's rampant H1B fraud going undetected then there's the clear probability that the very data they have is FUBAR. If the data is perfect then how is there so much H1B fraud?

Of course ou've got more contradictions than that. You're reason for obsessing on this "issue" is that the H1Bs are taking away American jobs in droves, but now there's these massive amounts of suspicious data which you're saying are either terrorists or sex slaves. Well exactly which American jobs are being stolen by terrorists and sex slaves? If you're right on that allegation you're wrong about them doing major damage to our job market. Can't have it both ways. You've contradicted yourself, your explanations are killing each other, it's like a Democratic primary.